The 36-year old QB is a hall of famer. But, who cares about context?

 

 

4 neck surgeries, and a damaged nerve that still hasn't regenerated.

 

Very smart.

 

You're talking about Brandon Weeden and then saying age doesn't matter because elite QB's have aged well...........because they're elite.

 

Very smart.

 

 

By the way, why don't the Dolphins just keep Matt Moore? He wasn't that bad last year. In all likelihood, you're not going to find someone who's much better than him, at this point. Heck, you might not find anyone better, at this point.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if Moore and Flynn put up similar #'s next year.

How will he be 37. You have the math wrong here. He's entering next season 28 years old. At the end of 8 seasons, he'll be 36, not 37.

 

And no, they don't. Not all of them. Is Tom Brady getting worse? Drew Brees? Kurt Warner? Did Brett Favre not have one of his best seasons near the age of 40? Chad Pennington almost won an MVP at the age of 34. Trent Green was terrific with Kansas City up until the age of 35.

 

No, I'm not dreaming. You haven't given me one good argument other than he's 28. That's the worst f*cking argument to make. Everyone was on the bandwagon of signing a 36 year old QB with 4 neck surgeries. That's stupid. Drafting a QB you think is going to be good at 8 overall despite him being 28 is not stupid. I gave you a sh!tload of examples of QBs playing well, and some even better, until their mid 30s. It happens. Brandon Weeden can definitely play well for 8 seasons. ESPECIALLY in today's game, were the QB is protected to the degree where hitting him might get you a roughing the passer call.

 

 

He's going to be 29 dude. He was born in 83, and he will be playing this coming NFL season as a 29 year old. Please don't correct my math unless it's wrong.

 

You just named three generational talents, and more QBs who had the opportunity and experience of the NFL for many years before they had good+old seasons.

 

 

For every one of those QBs you name, there are a hundred QBs who don't pan out after being drafted. There are those who don't make it into their old age. There are those who just aren't good. You have some delusional idea that Brandon Weeden is a guaranteed star.

 

He's not going to enter the season as a 29 year old. He turns 29 in October.

 

2012: 28

2013: 29

2014: 30

2015: 31

2016: 32

2017: 33

2018: 34

2019: 35

 

At the end of 2019, after 8 seasons, he'll be 36, not 37.

 

Weeden himself is a very good talent. He's not guaranteed to be a star. You're making him out to be a bad QB who's old, when he isn't.

No, I'm not dreaming. You haven't given me one good argument other than he's 28. That's the worst f*cking argument to make. Everyone was on the bandwagon of signing a 36 year old QB with 4 neck surgeries. That's stupid. Drafting a QB you think is going to be good at 8 overall despite him being 28 is not stupid. I gave you a sh!tload of examples of QBs playing well, and some even better, until their mid 30s. It happens. Brandon Weeden can definitely play well for 8 seasons. ESPECIALLY in today's game, were the QB is protected to the degree where hitting him might get you a roughing the passer call.

 

 

Are you kidding? First of all, his age is a big deal that you just want to ignore. Choose your words wisely. Stop trying to skew things here. That's not the worst argument. That's the best argument (and not the only argument). You have some odd perception of age of athletes, especially with those who don't have any guarantee whatsoever.

 

Of course you take Peyton. He's one of those exceptions where age isn't an issue. He's one of the best QBs of all time, and hasn't shown any signs of regression in his play. He'd make an excellent signing for a 3 year plan while we draft a QB. We could potentially be a Super Bowl team with him, and a Super Bowl team in the future if we play our cards right.

 

But tell me, why isn't the league ran by a bunch of 36 year old QBs? Because they're not all Peyton Manning.

 

Yes, using a #8 pick on a 28 year old player is f***ing stupid dude. He's projected to go in the 2nd round for a reason. He might go early in the 1st. Using a top 10 pick on him is foolish.

The 36-year old QB is a hall of famer. But, who cares about context?

 

 

4 neck surgeries, and a damaged nerve that still hasn't regenerated.

 

Very smart.

 

You're talking about Brandon Weeden and then saying age doesn't matter because elite QB's have aged well...........because they're elite.

 

Very smart.

 

 

By the way, why don't the Dolphins just keep Matt Moore? He wasn't that bad last year. In all likelihood, you're not going to find someone who's much better than him, at this point. Heck, you might not find anyone better, at this point.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if Moore and Flynn put up similar #'s next year.

 

Why did you change the subject from Manning to Weeden?

 

Age for Quarterbacks really does not matter. I gave a pretty big list of Quarterbacks that played well into their 30s. Not just elite Quarterbacks. I can list more if you want. Why can't Weeden? Please, explain to me why. Do you not think he is talented enough?

 

As for Moore, that's up to the FO. He had a good season, but he may not be a good fit for the system, or they just may not see any franchise potential in him.

He's not going to enter the season as a 29 year old. He turns 29 in October.

 

2012: 28

2013: 29

2014: 30

2015: 31

2016: 32

2017: 33

2018: 34

2019: 35

 

At the end of 2019, after 8 seasons, he'll be 36, not 37.

 

Weeden himself is a very good talent. He's not guaranteed to be a star. You're making him out to be a bad QB who's old, when he isn't.

 

 

Read what I wrote. He will play the season as a 29 year old. October = 1 month in. The rest of the season, he will be 29.

 

By the end of 8 years, he's going to be 37 in his next season.

What the heck is up with this whole "age argument"? Sheesh...A year here a year there really doesn't make a difference.

No, I'm not dreaming. You haven't given me one good argument other than he's 28. That's the worst f*cking argument to make. Everyone was on the bandwagon of signing a 36 year old QB with 4 neck surgeries. That's stupid. Drafting a QB you think is going to be good at 8 overall despite him being 28 is not stupid. I gave you a sh!tload of examples of QBs playing well, and some even better, until their mid 30s. It happens. Brandon Weeden can definitely play well for 8 seasons. ESPECIALLY in today's game, were the QB is protected to the degree where hitting him might get you a roughing the passer call.

 

 

Are you kidding? First of all, his age is a big deal that you just want to ignore. Choose your words wisely. Stop trying to skew things here. That's not the worst argument. That's the best argument (and not the only argument). You have some odd perception of age of athletes, especially with those who don't have any guarantee whatsoever.

 

Of course you take Peyton. He's one of those exceptions where age isn't an issue. He's one of the best QBs of all time, and hasn't shown any signs of regression in his play. He'd make an excellent signing for a 3 year plan while we draft a QB. We could potentially be a Super Bowl team with him, and a Super Bowl team in the future if we play our cards right.

 

But tell me, why isn't the league ran by a bunch of 36 year old QBs? Because they're not all Peyton Manning.

 

Yes, using a #8 pick on a 28 year old player is f***ing stupid dude. He's projected to go in the 2nd round for a reason. He might go early in the 1st. Using a top 10 pick on him is foolish.

 

I gave my reasons why it isn't a big deal. Stop ignoring them.

 

Quarterbacks can play well into their 30s. It happens. I gave a list of Quarterbacks who played well in their 30s, and some played better. They were not all elite. Weeden is a very talented QB. He WAS projected to go to the second round, but reports came out that said he could sneak into the first round. Now, with limited options, his value shoots up.

 

Manning had FOUR neck surgeries and a nerve that may never fully regenerate. He's also 36. Signing him would have been a very, very bad mistake.

He's not going to enter the season as a 29 year old. He turns 29 in October.

 

2012: 28

2013: 29

2014: 30

2015: 31

2016: 32

2017: 33

2018: 34

2019: 35

 

At the end of 2019, after 8 seasons, he'll be 36, not 37.

 

Weeden himself is a very good talent. He's not guaranteed to be a star. You're making him out to be a bad QB who's old, when he isn't.

 

 

Read what I wrote. He will play the season as a 29 year old. October = 1 month in. The rest of the season, he will be 29.

 

By the end of 8 years, he's going to be 37 in his next season.

 

And I was talking about how he's going to start the season.

According to the Denver Post, the Dolphins are currently negotiating a contract with free agent Alex Smith that would pay him $8 million annually.

 

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20202530/qb-alex-smith-negotiating-dolphins-throw-manning-waiting

The 36-year old QB is a hall of famer. But, who cares about context?

 

 

4 neck surgeries, and a damaged nerve that still hasn't regenerated.

 

Very smart.

 

You're talking about Brandon Weeden and then saying age doesn't matter because elite QB's have aged well...........because they're elite.

 

Very smart.

 

 

By the way, why don't the Dolphins just keep Matt Moore? He wasn't that bad last year. In all likelihood, you're not going to find someone who's much better than him, at this point. Heck, you might not find anyone better, at this point.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if Moore and Flynn put up similar #'s next year.

 

Why did you change the subject from Manning to Weeden?

 

Age for Quarterbacks really does not matter. I gave a pretty big list of Quarterbacks that played well into their 30s. Not just elite Quarterbacks. I can list more if you want. Why can't Weeden? Please, explain to me why. Do you not think he is talented enough?

 

As for Moore, that's up to the FO. He had a good season, but he may not be a good fit for the system, or they just may not see any franchise potential in him.

 

All the QB's you listed were elite.

 

And I mentioned Manning because you said something along the lines of: "lolz age is a big deal now? No one cared when it was 36-year old, Peyton Manning!"

 

Regarding Weeden, why would you use a top-8 pick on a 28-year old QB who might be good? For that, you just go with Matt Moore and draft someone with more potential with your top pick.

 

If you're drafting someone near his 30's with your top-8 pick, there should be some telling signs of greatness with such a move.

The 36-year old QB is a hall of famer. But, who cares about context?

 

 

4 neck surgeries, and a damaged nerve that still hasn't regenerated.

 

Very smart.

 

You're talking about Brandon Weeden and then saying age doesn't matter because elite QB's have aged well...........because they're elite.

 

Very smart.

 

 

By the way, why don't the Dolphins just keep Matt Moore? He wasn't that bad last year. In all likelihood, you're not going to find someone who's much better than him, at this point. Heck, you might not find anyone better, at this point.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if Moore and Flynn put up similar #'s next year.

 

Why did you change the subject from Manning to Weeden?

 

Age for Quarterbacks really does not matter. I gave a pretty big list of Quarterbacks that played well into their 30s. Not just elite Quarterbacks. I can list more if you want. Why can't Weeden? Please, explain to me why. Do you not think he is talented enough?

 

As for Moore, that's up to the FO. He had a good season, but he may not be a good fit for the system, or they just may not see any franchise potential in him.

 

All the QB's you listed were elite.

 

And I mentioned Manning because you said something along the lines of: "lolz age is a big deal now? No one cared when it was 36-year old, Peyton Manning!"

 

Regarding Weeden, why would you use a top-8 pick on a 28-year old QB who might be good? For that, you just go with Matt Moore and draft someone with more potential with your top pick.

 

If you're drafting someone near his 30's with your top-8 pick, there should be some telling signs of greatness with such a move.

 

No, they weren't.

 

I asked why did you change the subject from Manning, not why you mentioned him.

 

Brandon Weeden does have telling signs of greatness. I've read that he would be a top 5 pick had it not been for his age and injury history. He's a very good prospect.

If you're drafting someone near his 30's with your top-8 pick, there should be some telling signs of greatness with such a move.

 

 

He's really, really good. He makes every throw and he's got the arm strength. The only question about him is age.

 

Which is not to say there's not concerns. But with his current skill set, he'd be Andrew Luck if he was 23. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Weeden steps in and plays above average football right now. I only feel the same about Luck in this draft.

 

That being said, taking him at #8 is bad value. But if you think he's going to be there when you pick in the 2nd, I'd take Riley Reiff with the #8 and Weeden in the 2nd. And then hope Ryan Broyles is there in the 3rd and take him with one of your 3rds.

 

(And then take TY Hilton with your other 3rd )

 

 

True. I didn't see the full contract until now. I guess there wasn't a conviction about him. Either from Ireland or Philbin or both.

 

 

This has to make you feel a bit better about not getting him, doesn't it? If the guy who saw every snap he took in practice and games for a few years didn't push hard for him, you have to question whether he's that guy.

True. I was thinking that as well. It's hard to believe we wouldn't have signed him at that contract.

 

As for Broyles in the third, I would love that.

Btw, lol at Ryan Clark.

Would anyone be disappointed if Matt Moore began next year as the starting QB? This is what I'm not really understanding. Matt Flynn, Alex Smith...is Matt Moore really that much worse than these guys? In terms of Weeden, what's the likelihood that he comes in and does what Moore was able to do last year?

 

Moore is actually younger than Weeden. Why not just give Moore a chance to prove himself and surround him with some weapons on offense?

Here's what I want.

 

Draft Reiff or DeCastro at 8. Trade next year's 2 and 3 for a late first-rounder and take Weeden. Draft Broyles in the 2nd. Draft a pass rusher and TY HIlton in the 3rd.

 

That's even better to me.

Would anyone be disappointed if Matt Moore began next year as the starting QB? This is what I'm not really understanding. Matt Flynn, Alex Smith...is Matt Moore really that much worse than these guys? In terms of Weeden, what's the likelihood that he comes in and does what Moore was able to do last year?

 

Moore is actually younger than Weeden. Why not just give Moore a chance to prove himself and surround him with some weapons on offense?

 

 

That very well may be the option we go with. I don't like it because I don't see franchise potential with Moore, personally.

 

I like bobbob's idea better. I have one disagreement, though. I would like to trade down rather than selecting DeCastro or Reiff at 8. If you can get a team to trade up for Kuelchy or Richardson, you do it then select DeCastro or Reiff.

Would anyone be disappointed if Matt Moore began next year as the starting QB? This is what I'm not really understanding. Matt Flynn, Alex Smith...is Matt Moore really that much worse than these guys? In terms of Weeden, what's the likelihood that he comes in and does what Moore was able to do last year?

 

Moore is actually younger than Weeden. Why not just give Moore a chance to prove himself and surround him with some weapons on offense?

 

 

I would be disappointed if Moore is the starting QB because there were, legitimately four higher-upside options available for the Dolphins to grab in Manning, Flynn, Tannehill and Weeden. I don't blame them for not getting Flynn or Manning because they were free agents and it's stupid to get mad at your team for not being able to get a free agent. I will be disappointed if we exit the draft without either Tannehill or Weeden.

 

What's the likelihood that he does what Moore did? It's rare for a rookie to play that well, obviously. But, while it's just college, he put up ridiculous stats and I've read some glowing breakdowns of his mechanics and game play. He's far along on the development curve and should be the best equipped of the prospects to step in from day one.

 

So maybe he doesn't match what Moore did. But I think it's unlikely Moore does as well, given his track record.

I like bobbob's idea better. I have one disagreement, though. I would like to trade down rather than selecting DeCastro or Reiff at 8. If you can get a team to trade up for Kuelchy or Richardson, you do it then select DeCastro or Reiff.

 

 

Sure. The details aren't exactly what's important, though.

 

I'm saying the team needs a franchise QB, a No. 1 WR, another weapon at WR with speed, and someone on the right side of the line to protect that QB. Pick the best players available at each spot, but those are the needs. Whether the guys I mentioned specifically are the answer or whether you take Jeffereys instead of Broyles or someone else, that's not the important point. It's filling those holes at the same time and letting them develop together.

And I was talking about how he's going to start the season.

 

 

Why does what you were talking about matter? If you're quoting me, I think you should make sure you know what I said before you tell me I'm wrong dude.

 

And It doesn't matter how old he is to 'start the season'. It's arbitrary. For all intents and purposes, he's 29 to start the season. There's not that much of a difference between his birthday and when the season starts.

 

 

Would anyone be disappointed if Matt Moore began next year as the starting QB? This is what I'm not really understanding. Matt Flynn, Alex Smith...is Matt Moore really that much worse than these guys? In terms of Weeden, what's the likelihood that he comes in and does what Moore was able to do last year?

 

Moore is actually younger than Weeden. Why not just give Moore a chance to prove himself and surround him with some weapons on offense?

 

 

No, I'm definitely down for Moore of Moore. I just want whoever it is to be a stopgap. I'm cool with bringing in Weeden. I'm cool with bringing in Smith. We'd need 2 QBs, and this year just doesn't look like it's our year to draft a QB unless we get lucky. Weeden is not a long term answer. But yeah, I'm good with Moore. I actually see him having a chance at making something out of himself.

Here's my question: Do you think Weeden is not a long term answer because you think he won't be good or is it only his age?

I think unless its a sure thing, you don't pin the hopes of your franchise on a 28 year old quarterback (and by using a 1st round or 2nd round pick on him, you would be).

I think unless its a sure thing, you don't pin the hopes of your franchise on a 28 year old quarterback (and by using a 1st round or 2nd round pick on him, you would be).

 

 

You can say the same for every prospect.

What is a "sure thing?" Would you ever consider a 28-year old a sure thing? Do you think Weeden will not be good, or is it only his age?

I think unless its a sure thing, you don't pin the hopes of your franchise on a 28 year old quarterback (and by using a 1st round or 2nd round pick on him, you would be).

 

 

You can say the same for every prospect.

 

Not every prospect is 28 years old. They have years to grow and become a good QB.

 

Aaron Rodgers is the same age and has already established himself as the best in the game. Weeden's just getting his feet wet when Rodgers has already established himself.