I think it was the money that made them hesitant to sign Flynn. Just a guess.

 

 

$10m guaranteed? That's nothing to hesitate about. Sounds to me like the Dolphins just didn't want to make the decision.

 

True. I didn't see the full contract until now. I guess there wasn't a conviction about him. Either from Ireland or Philbin or both.

 

Let's say Tannehill goes to Cleveland at 4. Weeden at 8 is the only option you have left. I wonder what Miami does.

True. I didn't see the full contract until now. I guess there wasn't a conviction about him. Either from Ireland or Philbin or both.

 

Let's say Tannehill goes to Cleveland at 4. Weeden at 8 is the only option you have left. I wonder what Miami does.

 

 

I'm kinda glad they didn't. I hope I'm not kicking myself in the ass for saying that 3 years down the line of course... but why are we in any position to be taking a gamble on a QB? We need assurance. Either a starting QB or a drafted youngster. Even Alex Smith makes me hesitant. I doubt Smith wants to be a stopgap, but we could also draft a QB next year if Tannehill goes earlier, sign Smith, and have Smith remain as the stopgap when Moore's contract expires (although, tbh, I view Matt Moore as potentially the best backup in the league if we can get a real QB in front of him).

 

Also, Weeden is not being drafted at #8. He can be had late in the 1st or in the 2nd round. The Dolphins wouldn't be so stupid as to take him at #8.

I think Weeden could go 8. Not saying he is, but I'm not going to rule it out.

Why? Who wants to draft a 28 year old QB with a #8 pick when you can have a 27 year old QB who has years of experience and is coming off a fresh season with a 90+ QBR and went to the NFC Championship? He's younger, has more experience, and has less to prove. And he still has potential.

 

The Dolphins would be absolutely stupid to take Weeden at #8. That's a desperation move begging for disaster. I'm the biggest proponent of drafting a QB this year, but if that's the option I'd rather hold off until next season. I mean... if we don't want Smith... sure... get Weeden. But trade down or something...

Because Alex Smith really is not good. I don't want a bad QB.

 

I've said for a while now his age doesn't bother me. I think it's an overrated issue. Weeden could go 8th if he's the only QB left on the board, and you have teams picking behind us with a need at QB. If you think he's going to be a very good QB, and you have teams behind you who need a QB, you wouldn't pick him? Because he's 28, not 22?

Alex Smith is above average, and still has potential.

 

I dunno if you've realized or not, but Matt Moore is the closest thing we've gotten to 'above average' in like... a decade.

 

You're failing in logic. Unless you think Brandon Weeden is going to jump into the NFL as an all-star, his best to come is so limited. He's already around the ages where a QB peaks in talent, and he hasn't even gotten started yet. There's no guarantee that Weeden is going to be an NFL QB, let alone be good right away. Alex Smith is proven, AND younger.

 

 

I mean, maybe we should be hearing everyone else's opinion here but I think drafting Weeden at #8 rather than taking Alex Smith is a colossally stupid move. If we can't get Smith, we can trade down to take Weeden (and continue to use next year's pick on a QB still, because Weeden is only fresh for so long...).

They should just tank the next couple of seasons.

 

How many seasons until they become the cubs of the NFL.

 

 

Something like... 45.

Sweet. The Dolphins will have 45 top-10 players in 2057.

If SF doesn't sign Manning, I still think Smith probably goes back there. That team is the perfect fit for his skill set. Maybe if the Dolphins offer more money.

Alex Smith is above average, and still has potential.

 

I dunno if you've realized or not, but Matt Moore is the closest thing we've gotten to 'above average' in like... a decade.

 

You're failing in logic. Unless you think Brandon Weeden is going to jump into the NFL as an all-star, his best to come is so limited. He's already around the ages where a QB peaks in talent, and he hasn't even gotten started yet. There's no guarantee that Weeden is going to be an NFL QB, let alone be good right away. Alex Smith is proven, AND younger.

 

 

I mean, maybe we should be hearing everyone else's opinion here but I think drafting Weeden at #8 rather than taking Alex Smith is a colossally stupid move. If we can't get Smith, we can trade down to take Weeden (and continue to use next year's pick on a QB still, because Weeden is only fresh for so long...).

 

 

I don't see how I'm failing in logic. Alex Smith isn't good. He had one above average season last season due to Harbaugh simplifying down the offense to a point where Andrew Luck had a harder offense at Stanford than Smith did with Sanfran.

 

He is not above average, is my point. He's bad. Weeden can be very good. You may be scared off by his age, but I'm not personally. Especially at this point.

I didn't want Flynn, but this offseason quickly turned into a nightmare for Miami.

 

If we take Tannehill or Weeden at 8, I'm going to say things like "I'm done with this team" and "F*ck this team" and act all pissy on this board for the next few months, but then come back because I feel obligated to root for the Dolphins no matter how much they are going to suck.

Reggie Nelson returns to the Bengals.

 

I think Laron Landry visited with the Jets. I'm not sure.

I'm not willing to put my franchise' fate in the hands of a rookie who is the same age as Aaron Rodgers. Just isn't going to happen.

I disagree with that, but at this point it's a wait and see. I doubt it happens, anyway.

I don't see how I'm failing in logic. Alex Smith isn't good. He had one above average season last season due to Harbaugh simplifying down the offense to a point where Andrew Luck had a harder offense at Stanford than Smith did with Sanfran.

 

He is not above average, is my point. He's bad. Weeden can be very good. You may be scared off by his age, but I'm not personally. Especially at this point.

 

 

Alex Smith is not bad. Maybe you missed the past 10 years, but Gus Frerotte and Matt Moore are probably the two best QBs to start for the Dolphins. That's saying something.

 

Also, if you think the Dolphins can't equally dumb down an offense (we have a decent defense)... well IDK. You play to Smith's abilities. He has experience. He can post an 80+ QBR. He's responsible when throwing the ball. Him and Matt Moore would definitely be a better tandem to have at QB than Weeden and Moore. Furthermore, there's not much of a projection for a 'career' for Weeden.

 

I can understand if you want Weeden, but you're mad to want to waste a #8 pick on a 28 year old player. 8 years down the line half of those picks around us will be NFL players in their prime meanwhile Weeden might already be considering retirement, if he even makes it in the NFL.

I don't see how I'm failing in logic. Alex Smith isn't good. He had one above average season last season due to Harbaugh simplifying down the offense to a point where Andrew Luck had a harder offense at Stanford than Smith did with Sanfran.

 

He is not above average, is my point. He's bad. Weeden can be very good. You may be scared off by his age, but I'm not personally. Especially at this point.

 

 

Alex Smith is not bad. Maybe you missed the past 10 years, but Gus Frerotte and Matt Moore are probably the two best QBs to start for the Dolphins. That's saying something.

 

Also, if you think the Dolphins can't equally dumb down an offense (we have a decent defense)... well IDK. You play to Smith's abilities. He has experience. He can post an 80+ QBR. He's responsible when throwing the ball. Him and Matt Moore would definitely be a better tandem to have at QB than Weeden and Moore. Furthermore, there's not much of a projection for a 'career' for Weeden.

 

I can understand if you want Weeden, but you're mad to want to waste a #8 pick on a 28 year old player. 8 years down the line half of those picks around us will be NFL players in their prime meanwhile Weeden might already be considering retirement, if he even makes it in the NFL.

 

I disagree. He's bad, imo. Best case scenario, he's average. Dumb down an offense for Smith, and you won't have a very good offense.

 

If you're really going to worry about age, and the fact that EIGHT years from now, hell be 35 instead of 30, than we're not going to agree here. I don't see how that's an issue. If he gives us EIGHT seasons of good QB play, I can care less how old he is.

So we're gonna bring in another Matt Moore?

I disagree. He's bad, imo. Best case scenario, he's average. Dumb down an offense for Smith, and you won't have a very good offense.

 

If you're really going to worry about age, and the fact that EIGHT years from now, hell be 35 instead of 30, than we're not going to agree here. I don't see how that's an issue. If he gives us EIGHT seasons of good QB play, I can care less how old he is.

 

 

Okay 28 (~29) + 8 = 36/37, not 35.

 

That does not give us 8 seasons of good QB play. That gives us 1-2 years of adjustment period, and at that point he's already going into the season at 31 years of age with his best years physically behind him.

 

You're getting this notion that a player has his natural bell curve from start to finish. It's not like just because Weeden starts later that means he is going to be 38 and still functional. Or even 36. Or even 34? Who knows.

I disagree. He's bad, imo. Best case scenario, he's average. Dumb down an offense for Smith, and you won't have a very good offense.

 

If you're really going to worry about age, and the fact that EIGHT years from now, hell be 35 instead of 30, than we're not going to agree here. I don't see how that's an issue. If he gives us EIGHT seasons of good QB play, I can care less how old he is.

 

 

Okay 28 (~29) + 8 = 36/37, not 35.

 

That does not give us 8 seasons of good QB play. That gives us 1-2 years of adjustment period, and at that point he's already going into the season at 31 years of age with his best years physically behind him.

 

You're getting this notion that a player has his natural bell curve from start to finish. It's not like just because Weeden starts later that means he is going to be 38 and still functional. Or even 36. Or even 34? Who knows.

 

Ok, he'll end the season at 36, not 35. Doesn't really change my point. The QB position is different than any other position. As QBs age, they're play doesn't lessen. There are a number of players who played into their mid 30s effectively. It's not out of the realm of possibility to assume Weeden will do the same.

I disagree. He's bad, imo. Best case scenario, he's average. Dumb down an offense for Smith, and you won't have a very good offense.

 

If you're really going to worry about age, and the fact that EIGHT years from now, hell be 35 instead of 30, than we're not going to agree here. I don't see how that's an issue. If he gives us EIGHT seasons of good QB play, I can care less how old he is.

 

 

Okay 28 (~29) + 8 = 36/37, not 35.

 

That does not give us 8 seasons of good QB play. That gives us 1-2 years of adjustment period, and at that point he's already going into the season at 31 years of age with his best years physically behind him.

 

You're getting this notion that a player has his natural bell curve from start to finish. It's not like just because Weeden starts later that means he is going to be 38 and still functional. Or even 36. Or even 34? Who knows.

 

Ok, he'll end the season at 36, not 35. Doesn't really change my point. The QB position is different than any other position. As QBs age, they're play doesn't lessen. There are a number of players who played into their mid 30s effectively. It's not out of the realm of possibility to assume Weeden will do the same.

 

No, he'll be 37.

 

Yes, QBs do get worse as they age. That's a ridiculous statement to claim, especially to think that a player who has never played in the NFL will be able not only to succeed, but succeed with age and without ever having the opportunity to use his best physical capabilities in the league.

 

You're dreaming dude. It's one thing if you want him and you want to reap the 2-3 years of good football he might offer a team, but it's another thing if you want to use a #8 pick on a QB that will only offer a team 2-3 years of good football.

Wow...49ers had just 3 losses last season & yet Smith wasn't able to throw for 300 yards in a single game the whole year-including his 2 postseason games.

I disagree. He's bad, imo. Best case scenario, he's average. Dumb down an offense for Smith, and you won't have a very good offense.

 

If you're really going to worry about age, and the fact that EIGHT years from now, hell be 35 instead of 30, than we're not going to agree here. I don't see how that's an issue. If he gives us EIGHT seasons of good QB play, I can care less how old he is.

 

 

Okay 28 (~29) + 8 = 36/37, not 35.

 

That does not give us 8 seasons of good QB play. That gives us 1-2 years of adjustment period, and at that point he's already going into the season at 31 years of age with his best years physically behind him.

 

You're getting this notion that a player has his natural bell curve from start to finish. It's not like just because Weeden starts later that means he is going to be 38 and still functional. Or even 36. Or even 34? Who knows.

 

Ok, he'll end the season at 36, not 35. Doesn't really change my point. The QB position is different than any other position. As QBs age, they're play doesn't lessen. There are a number of players who played into their mid 30s effectively. It's not out of the realm of possibility to assume Weeden will do the same.

 

No, he'll be 37.

 

Yes, QBs do get worse as they age. That's a ridiculous statement to claim, especially to think that a player who has never played in the NFL will be able not only to succeed, but succeed with age and without ever having the opportunity to use his best physical capabilities in the league.

 

You're dreaming dude. It's one thing if you want him and you want to reap the 2-3 years of good football he might offer a team, but it's another thing if you want to use a #8 pick on a QB that will only offer a team 2-3 years of good football.

 

How will he be 37. You have the math wrong here. He's entering next season 28 years old. At the end of 8 seasons, he'll be 36, not 37.

 

And no, they don't. Not all of them. Is Tom Brady getting worse? Drew Brees? Kurt Warner? Did Brett Favre not have one of his best seasons near the age of 40? Chad Pennington almost won an MVP at the age of 34. Trent Green was terrific with Kansas City up until the age of 35.

 

No, I'm not dreaming. You haven't given me one good argument other than he's 28. That's the worst f*cking argument to make. Everyone was on the bandwagon of signing a 36 year old QB with 4 neck surgeries. That's stupid. Drafting a QB you think is going to be good at 8 overall despite him being 28 is not stupid. I gave you a sh!tload of examples of QBs playing well, and some even better, until their mid 30s. It happens. Brandon Weeden can definitely play well for 8 seasons. ESPECIALLY in today's game, were the QB is protected to the degree where hitting him might get you a roughing the passer call.

The 36-year old QB is a hall of famer. But, who cares about context?

The 36-year old QB is a hall of famer. But, who cares about context?

 

 

4 neck surgeries, and a damaged nerve that still hasn't regenerated.

 

Very smart.

How will he be 37. You have the math wrong here. He's entering next season 28 years old. At the end of 8 seasons, he'll be 36, not 37.

 

And no, they don't. Not all of them. Is Tom Brady getting worse? Drew Brees? Kurt Warner? Did Brett Favre not have one of his best seasons near the age of 40? Chad Pennington almost won an MVP at the age of 34. Trent Green was terrific with Kansas City up until the age of 35.

 

No, I'm not dreaming. You haven't given me one good argument other than he's 28. That's the worst f*cking argument to make. Everyone was on the bandwagon of signing a 36 year old QB with 4 neck surgeries. That's stupid. Drafting a QB you think is going to be good at 8 overall despite him being 28 is not stupid. I gave you a sh!tload of examples of QBs playing well, and some even better, until their mid 30s. It happens. Brandon Weeden can definitely play well for 8 seasons. ESPECIALLY in today's game, were the QB is protected to the degree where hitting him might get you a roughing the passer call.

 

 

He's going to be 29 dude. He was born in 83, and he will be playing this coming NFL season as a 29 year old. Please don't correct my math unless it's wrong.

 

You just named three generational talents, and more QBs who had the opportunity and experience of the NFL for many years before they had good+old seasons.

 

 

For every one of those QBs you name, there are a hundred QBs who don't pan out after being drafted. There are those who don't make it into their old age. There are those who just aren't good. You have some delusional idea that Brandon Weeden is a guaranteed star.