February 5, 20179 yr Now that NHL and NFL (maybe) is, it isn't that unlikely anymore totally different things though. Its not really a gambling issue. NFL is a ways away from that happening also at this point.
February 5, 20179 yr The media rights is what is preventing the A's from getting a San Jose stadium. Which is ironic since the A's gave that media area to the Giants to help prevent them from moving to..... Tampa! That is ironic- Saw this- Check it out- http://www.hardballtimes.com/examining-potential-mlb-expansion-cities-part-2/
February 5, 20179 yr totally different things though. Its not really a gambling issue. NFL is a ways away from that happening also at this point. They were a vote away before Cuckie Davis decided to keep his biggest backer and invesotr in a stadium out of negotiations and they left.
February 5, 20179 yr That is ironic- Saw this- Check it out- http://www.hardballtimes.com/examining-potential-mlb-expansion-cities-part-2/ Interesting and also lazy article. Nobody really gives a fuck about population size. Its all about media size. Of which Las Vegas would be the third smallest in MLB. Manfred also would love to find a way to get into Mexico (which is a bad idea given the geopolitical climate right now), so at least Vegas has that over Mexico. Charlotte should be fully vetted, I know it has been talked about many times, so I'm not sure how much true research has been given there. They have 300,000 more people there and are growing faster than Vegas. What MLB really needs to do is find a way to get the A's to San Jose and find a way to force Sternberg to make nice with St. Pete and get a stadium in Tampa built. The clock is ticking on the A's. Bigly.
February 5, 20179 yr They were a vote away before Cuckie Davis decided to keep his biggest backer and invesotr in a stadium out of negotiations and they left. Ya and now there are major issues facing that potential move.
February 5, 20179 yr Interesting and also lazy article. Nobody really gives a fuck about population size. Its all about media size. Of which Las Vegas would be the third smallest in MLB. Manfred also would love to find a way to get into Mexico (which is a bad idea given the geopolitical climate right now), so at least Vegas has that over Mexico. Charlotte should be fully vetted, I know it has been talked about many times, so I'm not sure how much true research has been given there. They have 300,000 more people there and are growing faster than Vegas. What MLB really needs to do is find a way to get the A's to San Jose and find a way to force Sternberg to make nice with St. Pete and get a stadium in Tampa built. The clock is ticking on the A's. Bigly. If oakland moves, I hope manfred pulls a "for the greater good of the game" card and forces the Giants to play nice. But look at BAL and WAS for territory issues. Charlotte can do it, but I don't think the population truly would care. I disliked how the article kept mentioning "Black population" but its pretty much a list of what is next. Vancouver to me seems like a chance for a team before Quebec.
February 5, 20179 yr Ya and now there are major issues facing that potential move. Mostly financing, and the NFL probably wanting to fuck the davis' for their oakland/la/oakland relocation lawsuits and bullshit.
February 5, 20179 yr If oakland moves, I hope manfred pulls a "for the greater good of the game" card and forces the Giants to play nice. But look at BAL and WAS for territory issues. Charlotte can do it, but I don't think the population truly would care. I disliked how the article kept mentioning "Black population" but its pretty much a list of what is next. Vancouver to me seems like a chance for a team before Quebec. Quebec the city or Quebec the province? Quebec the city has 0 chance of a MLB team. Montreal in the city of Quebec is the Canadian city far and away most likely to obtain a MLB franchise.
February 5, 20179 yr Mostly financing, and the NFL probably wanting to fuck the davis' for their oakland/la/oakland relocation lawsuits and bullshit. Kinda a major hurdle.
February 5, 20179 yr Quebec the city or Quebec the province? Quebec the city has 0 chance of a MLB team. Montreal in the city of Quebec is the Canadian city far and away most likely to obtain a MLB franchise. I'm drunk, sorry. Thought of the Nord's not the Spo's
February 5, 20179 yr Kinda a major hurdle. That was this week though. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/01/30/raiders-lose-major-las-vegas-backer-but-still-plan-on-relocating-there-from-oakland/ https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18594904/oakland-raiders-las-vegas-stadium-deal-loses-backing-goldman-sachs
February 5, 20179 yr That was this week though. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/01/30/raiders-lose-major-las-vegas-backer-but-still-plan-on-relocating-there-from-oakland/ https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18594904/oakland-raiders-las-vegas-stadium-deal-loses-backing-goldman-sachs Well what they plan on doing and what they will do are two different things. They wont move if they dont get a stadium paid for. Cause you know, greedy NFL owners.
February 5, 20179 yr Well what they plan on doing and what they will do are two different things. They wont move if they dont get a stadium paid for. Cause you know, greedy NFL owners. I see them getting stuck in Oakland, or playing in Levi's Stadium in SF.
February 5, 20179 yr I see them getting stuck in Oakland, or playing in Levi's Stadium in SF. Its a situation I guess the NFL will have to resolve. I dont see them in SF long term period.
February 5, 20179 yr I know exactly where a Brooklyn stadium could be built Up your butt and around the corner?
February 5, 20179 yr Serious question not trying to defend the man like@Admin always does but when did Loria buy the Expos because I was always under the impression that it was already a sinking ship when he got there and while he didn't help the cause I was never one to say Loria killed the Expos. Put it out of its misery maybe but I wouldn't say he was the killer.
February 6, 20179 yr Serious question not trying to defend the man like@Admin always does but when did Loria buy the Expos because I was always under the impression that it was already a sinking ship when he got there and while he didn't help the cause I was never one to say Loria killed the Expos. Put it out of its misery maybe but I wouldn't say he was the killer. From what I recall, he was a minority owner on a sinking ship and started buying out other minority owners on the cheap while trying to keep them in MTL. Eventually it became untenable and he started not to give a Fuck to move em. I think that's how there was only French broadcasts and low attendee numbers.
February 6, 20179 yr Did some reading up on Loria and the Expos. He got there in 99. Fans stopped coming in 95, seven of the nine seasons they had after 94 they couldn't even draw a million fans. Loria went in and demanded a new ballpark and the city didn't give it to him. When he bought the Marlins he took the Expos coaching staff and front office and literally much of their equipment down to even computers. So the way I interpret it is Loria is the last guy running out of a burning building and he's seen running out holding a flat screen TV so he looks like a thief and a bad guy. But what's also clear to me is that he didn't start the fire that burned the building down. Loria didn't do much good for the Expos but he didn't kill the Expos. The mid 90s ownership/front office, the fan base after 1994, and Selig/MLB after 2002 killed the Expos way more than Loria did.
February 6, 20179 yr Did some reading up on Loria and the Expos. He got there in 99. Fans stopped coming in 95, seven of the nine seasons they had after 94 they couldn't even draw a million fans. Loria went in and demanded a new ballpark and the city didn't give it to him. When he bought the Marlins he took the Expos coaching staff and front office and literally much of their equipment down to even computers. So the way I interpret it is Loria is the last guy running out of a burning building and he's seen running out holding a flat screen TV so he looks like a thief and a bad guy. But what's also clear to me is that he didn't start the fire that burned the building down. Loria didn't do much good for the Expos but he didn't kill the Expos. The mid 90s ownership/front office, the fan base after 1994, and Selig/MLB after 2002 killed the Expos way more than Loria did. Claude Brochu killed the Expos by teaching Loria how to do a fire sale really. That's why they failed the draw fans after the strike. Between the strike itself and literally selling every name player before the end of 95 its easy to see how that happened. Add to it Claude demanding a stadium in downtown Montreal (which they needed a new home), was bad PR. If he keeps the team intact and then goes about it more diplomatically, they probably build said stadium eventually. Jeff Loria just drove the final nail in the coffin of the Expos in Montreal.
February 6, 20179 yr Claude Brochu killed the Expos by teaching Loria how to do a fire sale really. That's why they failed the draw fans after the strike. Between the strike itself and literally selling every name player before the end of 95 its easy to see how that happened. Add to it Claude demanding a stadium in downtown Montreal (which they needed a new home), was bad PR. If he keeps the team intact and then goes about it more diplomatically, they probably build said stadium eventually. Jeff Loria just drove the final nail in the coffin of the Expos in Montreal. Agreed with this but I'm wondering, does anyone ever blame Selig and MLB for not doing anything after Loria left? Seems like Selig wanted them to die because you'd imagine that MLB could have done more to help the team stay afloat if they actually wanted to. Loria probably put the final nail on the coffin but it was Selig and MLB that really drove the nail in.
February 6, 20179 yr Agreed with this but I'm wondering, does anyone ever blame Selig and MLB for not doing anything after Loria left? Seems like Selig wanted them to die because you'd imagine that MLB could have done more to help the team stay afloat if they actually wanted to. Loria probably put the final nail on the coffin but it was Selig and MLB that really drove the nail in. They never had any intention of doing anything but move the franchise after MLB took over the ownership of Montreal. They were dead at that point and just playing there cause they had to play somewhere, they couldnt fold the franchise (because they need an even number of teams) and they didnt know where to move them yet. But yes, its one of the things Bud Selig truly fucked up during his tenure.
February 6, 20179 yr They never had any intention of doing anything but move the franchise after MLB took over the ownership of Montreal. They were dead at that point and just playing there cause they had to play somewhere, they couldnt fold the franchise (because they need an even number of teams) and they didnt know where to move them yet. But yes, its one of the things Bud Selig truly fucked up during his tenure. I read that owners voted 28-2 to contract both the Expos and the Twins after the 2002 season so folding the franchise was in the cards. Apparently the Expos won some lawsuit against MLB that prevented it from happening and then relocation became the next step. Twins fans lucked out.
February 6, 20179 yr I read that owners voted 28-2 to contract both the Expos and the Twins after the 2002 season so folding the franchise was in the cards. Apparently the Expos won some lawsuit against MLB that prevented it from happening and then relocation became the next step. Twins fans lucked out. It was actually Minnesota political leaders and the MLBPA that took care of that.
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