I must put on my teal-colored glasses and disagree with you.

 

As reported today on MLB Radio, Vlad is a shy guy, whose main confidante is not his agent but his mother. Various Vlad believers have said all along that Vlad might be feeling ARod-like sentiments about being a star player on a losing team. These guys might seem like they're all about the money, and whether or not they are is really not for us to decide, but deep down inside every major leaguer wants a ring, especially if you're one of the great ones (see: Barry Bonds' anguish in 2002).

 

We are the defending World Champions. We will be contenders in 2004.

 

We will have Vladimir Guerrero with us!

I would love to see Vlad not in the AL East or the american league, believe me.

 

However, nothing you have said indicates he's going to Florida. He left a contending team (the expos who contended until the last two weeks pretty much), because he didn't like the contract. He is close to his mother, and she lives in montreal, and he has talked about loving montreal. So it is my opinion that Vlad's about the money.

 

Can the Marlins stretch it to acquire a 15 million dollar a year player? I find that unlikely. Can Baltimore do it? Who had the highest payroll in 1998? This debate can go back and forth for hours. Both sides will make valid points, and nothing will be certain until Vladimir accepts or rejects the offer we will hopefully be making soon.

 

However, many things point to Florida. You cannot compare the Expos to the Marlins, especially now that the Expos lost Javier Vazquez. We are contenders, and I believe Vlad wants to contend.

 

Furthermore, Miami is close to the Dominican Republic, which is the real home of Vlad and his family. Miami is also a predominantly Latin city, which is favorable to the Guerreros over Baltimore or Montreal.

 

These are just speculations, but all the arrows seem to be pointing down here.

 

(Thanks for the good wishes regarding MIT -- the decision has already been made on their part, it's just a matter of when the letter arrives. I'm a nervous wreck until then!)

agree with Dagreatone stop hating on the marlins and its good to see someone put u in ur place!! so on behalf of us at the forums ..go back to the yankee boards loser

agree with Dagreatone stop hating on the marlins and its good to see someone put u in ur place!! so on behalf of us at the forums ..go back to the yankee boards loser

Biggest A-hole= SorianoFan

 

I'm not really a Vlad believer and I am still unsure if we will sign him but what does it take to see that the Marlins are in contention to sign him. Gammons said the only two teams that are in the hunt for him are the Marlins and Orioles.

 

But I think I know whats wrong. Your just mad that the Yankees didnt sign him and that the team that beat you in the World Series might just do it.

 

So f*** off and let us have some fun.

 

AHHHHH i cant stand this kid!!!! anyways listen theres no arguement to tejada its a fact his deal is worth 9 mill! its done ! no maybe ..second have you not read articles on espn or any web sites or what members have posted about the possibiltiy of vlad coming here?? u seem to be in your own world of neglection and seem to be the only person who doesnt see the marlins as the front runners for vlad! hes not all about the money and he will wind up here for 13 or 14 mill nothing more unless the deal is backloaded..stop being a yankee fan boy please and read the facts about vlad b4 u go around trying to make us feel bad

 

All of you: GROW UP! Not everything is one-sided! Learn to appreciate some intelligent discussion -- just because it's not what you think doesn't make it wrong or doesn't make the person a "loser." You guys are the losers for being so damn immature about it.

 

As of right now, no one is correct. Sure, my whole heart believes, but nothing is set in stone until this happens: :deal

All of you: GROW UP! Not everything is one-sided! Learn to appreciate some intelligent discussion -- just because it's not what you think doesn't make it wrong or doesn't make the person a "loser." You guys are the losers for being so damn immature about it.

 

Hmmm you obviously didnt read what I posted. I said that I am still not a complete Vlad believer but Sorianofan just ignores what people are saying and says that we have no chance. Thats not intelligent conversation, its being an idiot and seeing the situation through a biased Yankee fan than a baseball fan. I never said out right that the Marlins were going to get Vlad, so calm down missy. :banghead

AHHHHH i cant stand this kid!!!! anyways listen theres no arguement to tejada its a fact his deal is worth 9 mill! its done ! no maybe ..second have you not read articles on espn or any web sites or what members have posted about the possibiltiy of vlad coming here?? u seem to be in your own world of neglection and seem to be the only person who doesnt see the marlins as the front runners for vlad! hes not all about the money and he will wind up here for 13 or 14 mill nothing more unless the deal is backloaded..stop being a yankee fan boy please and read the facts about vlad b4 u go around trying to make us feel bad

Are you literate? One of yuor fellow forum fans in this very subject posted this:

"The entire package is 6-year, $72 million which does average out to $12 million a year, but as you can see it's not exactly broken down like that. "

 

12 million a year, are you illiterate?

 

I have been respectfully disagreeing and in turn I'm being criticized.

 

Sheff#1, you act like an angry little child. If you are older than 18, you are a truly pathetic adult, and I'm not sure which of the two one would rather be. Immature adult or some condescending punk kid. Whichever one it may be makes no difference to me.

 

dagreatone:

Biggest A-hole= SorianoFan

I'm not really a Vlad believer and I am still unsure if we will sign him but what does it take to see that the Marlins are in contention to sign him. Gammons said the only two teams that are in the hunt for him are the Marlins and Orioles.

But I think I know whats wrong. Your just mad that the Yankees didnt sign him and that the team that beat you in the World Series might just do it.

So f*** off and let us have some fun.

Wait a minute. First you call me an a**hole, and the reason you do so is because of your assumption that I am being spiteful that the Yanks have Vlad.

 

Do you call people a**holes for no reason? If you read my post, you would know that I was against all big yankee signings. I did not want Kevin Brown, I did not want Vazquez, I did not want Sheffield, and I most definitely do not want Vlad. I even wrote here that I do not want to see him in my division- that includes my team. So you call me an a**hole because you made an bad assumption? If you don't apologize, you're just an ignorant and immature person who should learn to be respectful.

 

Furthermore, you ask "let us have fun." Are you illiterate? The question asks, "Do you think the marlins will get Vlad." I said no, that' what I honestly think. I can't tell you my honest opinion? the thread beckons you to for the love of God!

 

I find it fairly obvious that you guys are immature and hateful. I'm a Yankee fan. I harbor no resentment to the marlins, I congratulated them on my very own website. In fact, I cheered for the marlins since McKeon took over, because I liked the team's chemistry. I cheered for you guys until you faced the Yanks. I repeat, I harbor no resentment whatsoever, and the more intelligent posters here would realize that.

 

If you believe I should have no opinions or rights because of which team I like, what kind of person do you think you are? You should be ashamed.

All of you: GROW UP! Not everything is one-sided! Learn to appreciate some intelligent discussion -- just because it's not what you think doesn't make it wrong or doesn't make the person a "loser." You guys are the losers for being so damn immature about it.

 

As of right now, no one is correct. Sure, my whole heart believes, but nothing is set in stone until this happens: :deal

Thank you, this is a discussion about whether or not vlad will be a marlin- not a discussion will he be or will he be (redundant isn't it?) a marlin. Its not definite, I just happen to disagree.

 

I have said it in an earlier thread that after reading the ESPN magazine article about how happy Vlad was to be in Montreal, I couldn't imagaine him leaving for any other reason but money. That's my viewpoint, you could disagree with it and I could disagree back, like marlingirl.

Hmmm you obviously didnt read what I posted. I said that I am still not a complete Vlad believer but Sorianofan just ignores what people are saying and says that we have no chance. Thats not intelligent conversation, its being an idiot and seeing the situation through a biased Yankee fan than a baseball fan. I never said out right that the Marlins were going to get Vlad, so calm down missy. :banghead

How dare you give her attitude after you act so immaturely. Maybe in my opinion I believe you are dense. Am I calling you an a**hole? You're being ridiculous, especially because you are literally being prejudice of me because I like the Yankees.

 

Stop being so condescending.

agree with Dagreatone stop hating on the marlins and its good to see someone put u in ur place!! so on behalf of us at the forums ..go back to the yankee boards loser

I have a question for you, isn't a troll a person on a board who looks to pick fights? By calling me names and ordering me to leave, what exactly are you then?

 

It is my opinion it is you who cannot handle other people's opinions and you are picking fights. therefore, for the good of the board, you should leave.

 

 

I don't want to start fights. I'm opinionated and don't mind disagreeing with people, but I don't want to just get people angry for the sake of enjoyment. Only sick, stupid, immature people do that.

Give me a break Sorianofan. Its one thing to have an opinion but at least have supporting facts for it. I can just out right state the Reds are going to sign Vlad but that would be stupid because there are no facts or signs posting to this. But there is to Vlad going to the Marlins. If you want to say Vlad isnt going to the Marlins be my guest but at least have some valid reasons for it.

Give me a break Sorianofan. Its one thing to have an opinion but at least have supporting facts for it. I can just out right state the Reds are going to sign Vlad but that would be stupid because there are no facts or signs posting to this. But there is to Vlad going to the Marlins. If you want to say Vlad isnt going to the Marlins be my guest but at least have some valid reasons for it.

They do have supporting facts: Sorianofan feels that Vladimir wants more money and that the Marlins won't be able to come up with it. This comes from an ESPN article they read which talked about how happy Vlad was in Montreal. When Vlad rejected Montreal's offer, Sorianofan saw it as a sign that he was in it for more $$$$.

 

I don't agree with it, and I have my reasons, which I've previously posted. Difference of opinion is what makes this world go round, mister.

yes have facts ...and how dumb do u sound saying you dont want vlad and you dont want kevin brown and you dont want vasquez and you dont want sheff?? what the hell is wrong with you? who do u want?? Bonds? Pujols? Prior maybe?? u just named prob 4 players that are probably the best or top 5 at their postions and you dont want them? anyways you have no facts and all you do is post 55 times a day..enough said..get a life

Give me a break Sorianofan. Its one thing to have an opinion but at least have supporting facts for it. I can just out right state the Reds are going to sign Vlad but that would be stupid because there are no facts or signs posting to this. But there is to Vlad going to the Marlins. If you want to say Vlad isnt going to the Marlins be my guest but at least have some valid reasons for it.

So now I'm not spiteful or are you too immature to admit when you are wrong (or committed a wrong for that matter)?

 

My opinion honestly is that if Vlad wasn't about the money he would of signed with Montreal for 70 million for 5 years (14 million a year). Vlad really likes Montreal, montreal isn't a last place team like the rangers, and yet Vlad didn't take 14. So I see ti as impossible to accept 12 million from the Marlins. He'll sign with the Marlins if the pay him 15 million or so, but the marlins payroll is incapable of that. Baltimore is.

 

You call that no reason? I believe you just don't like people disagreeing with you, and that you acted extremely disrespectful and should be ashamed of yourself if you are an adult.

OK, DaGreatOne, chill out. First amendment, have you heard of it? Seriously, calm down and don't get all emotional about an idea you have inherited from others. The originators are keeping calm during arguements like this, can you too?

 

Sheff. You are a f***ing idiot. You don't deserve anything else.

 

Soriano, I am going to have to respectfully disagree. I don't believe with what you have to say but I will defend your right to say it. Neither of us will be right or wrong until Vlad signs on the dotted line somewhere.

 

And as Josh alluded to, I do get a jersey out of this if the members of the board keep up their end of the bargain.

My god stop fighting this is killing the thread so SHUTUP! :banghead :banghead :angry

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alright....

 

 

Back to Vlad....

My opinion honestly is that if Vlad wasn't about the money he would of signed with Montreal for 70 million for 5 years (14 million a year). Vlad really likes Montreal, montreal isn't a last place team like the rangers, and yet Vlad didn't take 14. So I see ti as impossible to accept 12 million from the Marlins. He'll sign with the Marlins if the pay him 15 million or so, but the marlins payroll is incapable of that. Baltimore is.

 

The marlins can actually offer him less amount of money and Vlad recieve more because of the tax.

ashamed of ourselves? who u think you are ? take that respect your elders crap somewhere else you are no one to tell us how to act and make yourself look like your doin nothing wrong here where your arguing and actin as much as a little kid as much as any of us..

ashamed of ourselves? who u think you are ? take that respect your elders crap somewhere else you are no one to tell us how to act and make yourself look like your doin nothing wrong here where your arguing and actin as much as a little kid as much as any of us..

Stop acting like your avatar. :banghead

My god stop fighting this is killing the thread so SHUTUP! :banghead :banghead :angry

Heh, actually some good points have been thrown out in the midst of the argument, so it's not really killing the thread.

My god stop fighting this is killing the thread so SHUTUP! :banghead :banghead :angry

Heh, actually some good points have been thrown out in the midst of the argument, so it's not really killing the thread. Alright your right but its stupid, Sheff1 is a stuck up loser and Soriano has every right in the world to talk about his yanks and why we won't get Vlad, even though I don't like it.

I think now its an appropriate time for me to wish you all Merry X-Mas and Happy Holidays

ashamed of ourselves? who u think you are ? take that respect your elders crap somewhere else you are no one to tell us how to act and make yourself look like your doin nothing wrong here where your arguing and actin as much as a little kid as much as any of us..

I'm sick of all this bickering. Can't we just talk about baseball? This is what this site is about. Different people have different opinions get over it.

yes have facts ...and how dumb do u sound saying you dont want vlad and you dont want kevin brown and you dont want vasquez and you dont want sheff?? what the hell is wrong with you? who do u want?? Bonds? Pujols? Prior maybe?? u just named prob 4 players that are probably the best or top 5 at their postions and you dont want them? anyways you have no facts and all you do is post 55 times a day..enough said..get a life

Oh my god, I really wish it didn't come to this, but you are not intelligent. An intelligent person can read and understand those words put in front of her/him.

 

You call me a loser? Fine, I call someone who has nothing better to do in life than get pissed off a loser.

 

how dumb do u sound saying you dont want vlad and you dont want kevin brown and you dont want vasquez and you dont want sheff?? what the hell is wrong with you? who do u want?? Bonds? Pujols? Prior maybe?? u just named prob 4 players that are probably the best or top 5 at their postions and you dont want them?

 

I don't I believe the Yankees team was great. It did make it to the world series. without giambi's knee problem, who knows, we probably would of won it all. When your best bats (soriano and giambi) are thoroughly ineffective, you lose. So I am against getting all those players- it makes for an expensive inefficient team, and I have to put up with crap from people like you. I don't pay their payroll people, I'm not responsible.

 

Do I average 50 posts a day? I have been incredibly not busy as of late because of finals, work, and my friends all being idiots and waiting to do work at the last second.

 

So when do I post? well let me tell you before you fire off your mouth again smartass.

-When I eat (i don't expect anyone to notice this, but I post about the same time in the morning after I run or after certain classes. )

-You know, my friends don't just appear magically, they have their own schedules. So if I have nothing important to do and if I am procrastinating (if you were in college you would understand), I post here.

-However, this has been finals week, and so I have been posting a lot more than a healthy person should. This is because I'm locking myself in my room and I post after reading a lot and to rest my mind a bit.

-Lastly, I post at work, a federal paying job where I do nothing. so i can sit around and jerk off or I can talk baseball

 

So, you call me a loser? I'm happy with how I live my life. You are just a smart a** who needs to keep her/his mouth shut.

OK, DaGreatOne, chill out. First amendment, have you heard of it? Seriously, calm down and don't get all emotional about an idea you have inherited from others. The originators are keeping calm during arguements like this, can you too?

I am cool. I just curse sometimes when am frustrated with the lack of vision people use when debating about something.

 

So now I'm not spiteful or are you too immature to admit when you are wrong (or committed a wrong for that matter)?

 

My opinion honestly is that if Vlad wasn't about the money he would of signed with Montreal for 70 million for 5 years (14 million a year). Vlad really likes Montreal, montreal isn't a last place team like the rangers, and yet Vlad didn't take 14. So I see ti as impossible to accept 12 million from the Marlins. He'll sign with the Marlins if the pay him 15 million or so, but the marlins payroll is incapable of that. Baltimore is.

 

You call that no reason? I believe you just don't like people disagreeing with you, and that you acted extremely disrespectful and should be ashamed of yourself if you are an adult.

 

Another thing how old is this Vlad ESPN article you read. Players can change heart pretty quickly especially after a fellow hispanic player got traded a week ago. Plus I'm sure he wants to play somewhere were he knows the team is committed to winnning and where he knows were he will be for the next 6 years of his life. Remeber MLB is trying to sell the Expos, so they might wind up in Portland or some other city.

 

Lastly I have no problem with people disagreeing but I do have a problem when people dont have a valid reasons to support an opinion there saying and on the part of me being disrespectful, if you cant handle it then you better man up.

 

And for the sake of the thread, I'll stop arguing.

How much money does canada's tax take out of Vlad's salary then?

 

Furthermore, would this lead one to argue that Vlad would sign with the Marlins strictly because they aren't a first place team? How do we know Vlad really cares? It jsut seems like many of you hope he does, but that's not a substantiated fact.

 

We shall see.

Sorianofan,When was this article published in ESPN magazine about Vlad?