I've been interested in the fact that it's been a close race so far in Iowa. Who would you vote for now and why??

The K (Kucinich) man, because of his non hypocritical/wrong stance on Iraq.

 

I think I might vote libertarian though. http://www.lp.org

 

I like a lot of their issues, but the goals are very idealistic. I'm sure if one was ever elected, they would compromise, so the idealism should not get into the way.'

Check out their issues, you guys might like them:

Libertarian PArty Issues

 

For example, in a libertarian society, there would be no headstart program. However, if there was universal headstart, there would statisitically be less poverty and people in jail, thus it actually saves more money than it costs. Another issue I do not agree on is their desire to "end double taxation" on corporations. Unless foreign trade was no factor and every penny made by those corporations would go back into our pockets, we need to tax them. However, the way they get away with taxes and the money spent on taxing bureaucracies mixed with the fact taxes make it harder to compete internationally could change my mind, but I would have to know more on the subject.

LOL... i think you are missing a candidate in this poll. you know, the one projected to win.

i think he means in the democratic primary.

 

 

bush is not a lock to win btw.

i think he means in the democratic primary.

 

 

bush is not a lock to win btw.

you know he's going to win. Blowing people up is a sure-fire way to political victory...well besides for winston churchill. but americans are idiots, they love him, and there's no good reason for it!

bush is by no means a lock, but he is certainly the frontrunner right now.

 

a torpedo to the bush ship would be if clark or edwards (f***ing prick) were to win the democratic nomination. that should jeopardize bush's chances of clinching the entire south in a landslide.

 

of the democratic candidates, i personally like dean the best, though his wishy-washyness on his tax policy has me questioning the primary reason i support him (repealing ALL tax cuts instead of playing class favortism).

 

if dean wins the nomination, then bush will be close to a "lock".

Clark would probably be the democrats best chance, but I hate his view on Iraq:

Iraq WAS a threat, I would WANT to bomb them and take on the incurred costs, but i only disagree with it because the UN said no.

 

Uh, mr. clark, how about the total lack of threat Iraq presented to us and the costs we have to pay???

Howard Dean. He's the shizznit. A little wacko, but just about the only guy in the Dems who doesn't make me puke. If he doesn't get the Dem nod, I may be forced to vote for W. again.

 

Dennis Kucinich should start buffing his resume now. I hear there are several opportunies open for making snacks in trees.

 

BTW SorianoFan, I don't think Wesley Clark looks through these boards that often.

Don't vote bush! please, vote libertarian!!!

Don't vote bush! please, vote libertarian!!!

Spoken like a true college freshman.....

 

Ahh I was there once. I wanna go back!

This will be my first election where I vote, and thanks to the complete lack of major candidates that are even close to what I believe, I'm going with the party most think I should be in and voting libertarian.

Al Sharpton....

 

Why because he is not full of bulls*** like the others.Too bad rest of America thinks other wise.

wes clark

Al Sharpton....

 

Why because he is not full of bulls*** like the others.Too bad rest of America thinks other wise.

how about the fact that he's a race baiter and that whole scandal with the lawsuit about that girl being raped when she wasn't? he's a scummer too.

 

OT

Giantsin04, did you make that picture?

This will be my first election where I vote, and thanks to the complete lack of major candidates that are even close to what I believe, I'm going with the party most think I should be in and voting libertarian.

Check out their issues dude. You should vote for someone who you think stands for what you believe in the closest.

 

Spoken like a true college freshman.....

Many "idealistic" people are to the left, but I guess voting libertarian does require idealism nonetheless. However, I'm technically a sophmore now (yay!)!

Where is the option for "NONE"? I mean, the Democratic party has little chance with any of their top candidates in this campaign. None of them stand for anything worth it anymore and even Dean acts like a scared little girl when it comes to bash the Republican Party on all their shortcomings in the past years... I don't even know how the hell they haven't called for an impeachment on Bush for lying to the American Public about the WMD in Iraq... one word describes them all Democrats, P.U.Z.Z.I.E.S.

Where is the option for "NONE"? I mean, the Democratic party has little chance with any of their top candidates in this campaign. None of them stand for anything worth it anymore and even Dean acts like a scared little girl when it comes to bash the Republican Party on all their shortcomings in the past years... I don't even know how the hell they haven't called for an impeachment on Bush for lying to the American Public about the WMD in Iraq... one word describes them all Democrats, P.U.Z.Z.I.E.S.

Majority of everything in DC is Rep... They'll always standup for Bush...

Yeah... But where the hell is the right to oppose and the guts to do it anyway?

 

I understand that there is Republican majority, but the president and his friend still need to be questioned when they make such mistakes and lie to the public. Otherwise, we have a totalitarian government in place.

Even though I cant vote yet I usually take interest in the presidencial race and last election was a crappy one my parents didnt even want to vote because they really didnt like neither candiate. (they ended up voting for Bush because their republicans)

 

It looks like the Democrats once again have no strong leader and they will probably lose to Bush. (Not saying Bush is a strong leader because I really dont like him)

Where is the option for "NONE"? I mean, the Democratic party has little chance with any of their top candidates in this campaign. None of them stand for anything worth it anymore and even Dean acts like a scared little girl when it comes to bash the Republican Party on all their shortcomings in the past years... I don't even know how the hell they haven't called for an impeachment on Bush for lying to the American Public about the WMD in Iraq... one word describes them all Democrats, P.U.Z.Z.I.E.S.

Amen sister, but someone has to run for the other majority party.

I?ll Be Voting For Wesley Clark / Good-Bye Mr. Bush ? by Michael Moore

 

January 14, 2004

 

 

 

Many of you have written to me in the past months asking, "Who are you going

to vote for this year?"

 

 

 

I have decided to cast my vote in the primary for Wesley Clark. That's

right, a peacenik is voting for a general. What a country!

 

 

 

I believe that Wesley Clark will end this war. He will make the rich pay

their fair share of taxes. He will stand up for the rights of women, African

Americans, and the working people of this country.

 

 

 

And he will cream George W. Bush.

 

 

 

I have met Clark and spoken to him on a number of occasions, feeling him out

on the issues but, more importantly, getting a sense of him as a human

being. And I have to tell you I have found him to be the real deal, someone

whom I'm convinced all of you would like, both as a person and as the

individual leading this country. He is an honest, decent, honorable man who

would be a breath of fresh air in the White House. He is clearly not a

professional politician. He is clearly not from Park Avenue. And he is

clearly the absolute best hope we have of defeating George W. Bush.

 

 

 

This is not to say the other candidates won't be able to beat Bush, and I

will work enthusiastically for any of the non-Lieberman 8 who might get the

nomination. But I must tell you, after completing my recent 43-city tour of

this country, I came to the conclusion that Clark has the best chance of

beating Bush. He is going to inspire the independents and the undecided to

come our way. The hard core (like us) already have their minds made up. It's

the fence sitters who will decide this election.

 

 

 

The decision in November is going to come down to 15 states and just a few

percentage points. So, I had to ask myself -- and I want you to honestly ask

yourselves -- who has the BEST chance of winning Florida, West Virginia,

Arizona, Nevada, Missouri, Ohio? Because THAT is the only thing that is

going to matter in the end. You know the answer -- and it ain't you or me or

our good internet doctor.

 

 

 

This is not about voting for who is more anti-war or who was anti-war first

or who the media has already anointed. It is about backing a candidate that

shares our values AND can communicate them to Middle America. I am convinced

that the surest slam dunk to remove Bush is with a

four-star-general-top-of-his-class-at-West-Point-Rhodes-Scholar-Medal-of-Fre

edom-winning-gun-owner-from-the-South -- who also, by chance, happens to be

pro-choice, pro environment, and anti-war. You don't get handed a gift like

this very often. I hope the liberal/left is wise enough to accept it. It's

hard, when you're so used to losing, to think that this time you can

actually win. It is Clark who stands the best chance -- maybe the only

chance -- to win those Southern and Midwestern states that we MUST win in

order to accomplish Bush Removal. And if what I have just said is true, then

we have no choice but to get behind the one who can make this happen.

 

 

 

There are times to vote to make a statement, there are times to vote for the

underdog and there are times to vote to save the country from catastrophe.

This time we can and must do all three. I still believe that each one of us

must vote his or her heart and conscience. If we fail to do that, we will

continue to be stuck with spineless politicians who stand for nothing and no

one (except those who write them the biggest checks).

 

 

 

My vote for Clark is one of conscience. I feel so strongly about this that

I'm going to devote the next few weeks of my life to do everything I can to

help Wesley Clark win. I would love it if you would join me on this mission.

 

 

 

Here are just a few of the reasons why I feel this way about Wes Clark:

 

 

 

1. Clark has committed to ensuring that every family of four who makes under

$50,000 a year pays NO federal income tax. None. Zip. This is the most

incredible helping hand offered by a major party presidential candidate to

the working class and the working poor in my lifetime. He will make up the

difference by socking it to the rich with a 5% tax increase on anything they

make over a million bucks. He will make sure corporations pay ALL of the

taxes they should be paying. Clark has fired a broadside at greed. When the

New York Times last week wrote that Wes Clark has been ?positioning himself

slightly to Dean?s left," this is what they meant, and it sure sounded good

to me.

 

 

 

2. He is 100% opposed to the draft. If you are 18-25 years old and reading

this right now, I have news for you -- if Bush wins, he's going to bring

back the draft. He will be forced to. Because, thanks to his crazy war,

recruitment is going to be at an all-time low. And many of the troops stuck

over there are NOT going to re-enlist. The only way Bush is going to be able

to staff the military is to draft you and your friends. Parents, make no

mistake about it -- Bush's second term will see your sons taken from you and

sent to fight wars for the oily rich. Only an ex-general who knows

first-hand that a draft is a sure-fire way to wreck an army will be able to

avert the inevitable.

 

 

 

3. He is anti-war. Have you heard his latest attacks on Bush over the Iraq

War? They are stunning and brilliant. I want to see him on that stage in a

debate with Bush -- the General vs. the Deserter! General Clark told me that

it's people like him who are truly anti-war because it's people like him who

have to die if there is a war. "War must be the absolute last resort," he

told me. "Once you've seen young people die, you never want to see that

again, and you want to avoid it whenever and wherever possible." I believe

him. And my ex-Army relatives believe him, too. It's their votes we need.

 

 

 

4. He walks the walk. On issues like racism, he just doesn't mouth liberal

platitudes -- he does something about it. On his own volition, he joined in

and filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court in support of the

University of Michigan's case in favor of affirmative action. He spoke about

his own insistence on affirmative action in the Army and how giving a hand

to those who have traditionally been shut out has made our society a better

place. He didn't have to get involved in that struggle. He's a middle-aged

white guy -- affirmative action personally does him no good. But that is not

the way he thinks. He grew up in Little Rock, one of the birthplaces of the

civil rights movement, and he knows that African Americans still occupy the

lowest rungs of the ladder in a country where everyone is supposed to have

"a chance." That is why he has been endorsed by one of the founding members

of the Congressional Black Caucus, Charlie Rangel, and former Atlanta Mayor

and aide to Martin Luther King, Jr., Andrew Young.

 

 

 

5. On the issue of gun control, this hunter and gun owner will close the gun

show loophole (which would have helped prevent the massacre at Columbine)

and he will sign into law a bill to create a federal ballistics

fingerprinting database for every gun in America (the DC sniper, who bought

his rifle in his own name, would have been identified after the FIRST day of

his killing spree). He is not afraid, as many Democrats are, of the NRA. His

message to them: "You like to fire assault weapons? I have a place for you.

It's not in the homes and streets of America. It's called the Army, and you

can join any time!"

 

 

 

6. He will gut and overhaul the Patriot Act and restore our constitutional

rights to privacy and free speech. He will demand stronger environmental

laws. He will insist that trade agreements do not cost Americans their jobs

and do not exploit the workers or environment of third world countries. He

will expand the Family Leave Act. He will guarantee universal pre-school

throughout America. He opposes all discrimination against gays and lesbians

(and he opposes the constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage). All of

this is why Time magazine this week referred to Clark as "Dean 2.0" -- an

improvement over the original (1.0, Dean himself), a better version of a

good thing: stronger, faster, and easier for the mainstream to understand

and use.

 

 

 

7. He will cut the Pentagon budget, use the money thus saved for education

and health care, and he will STILL make us safer than we are now. Only the

former commander of NATO could get away with such a statement. Dean says he

will not cut a dime out of the Pentagon. Clark knows where the waste and the

boondoggles are and he knows that nutty ideas like Star Wars must be put to

pasture. His health plan will cover at least 30 million people who now have

no coverage at all, including 13 million children. He's a general who will

tell those swing voters, "We can take this Pentagon waste and put it to good

use to fix that school in your neighborhood." My friends, those words,

coming from the mouth of General Clark, are going to turn this country

around.

 

 

 

Now, before those of you who are Dean or Kucinich supporters start cloggin'

my box with emails tearing Clark down with some of the stuff I've seen

floating around the web ("Mike! He voted for Reagan! He bombed Kosovo!"),

let me respond by pointing out that Dennis Kucinich refused to vote against

the war resolution in Congress on March 21 (two days after the war started)

which stated "unequivocal support" for Bush and the war (only 11 Democrats

voted against this--Dennis abstained). Or, need I quote Dr. Dean who, the

month after Bush "won" the election, said he wasn't too worried about Bush

because Bush "in his soul, is a moderate"? What's the point of this

ridiculous tit-for-tat sniping? I applaud Dennis for all his other stands

against the war, and I am certain Howard no longer believes we have nothing

to fear about Bush. They are good people.

 

 

 

Why expend energy on the past when we have such grave danger facing us in

the present and in the near future? I don't feel bad nor do I care that

Clark -- or anyone -- voted for Reagan over 20 years ago. Let's face it, the

vast majority of Americans voted for Reagan -- and I want every single one

of them to be WELCOMED into our tent this year. The message to these

voters -- and many of them are from the working class -- should not be, "You

voted for Reagan? Well, to hell with you!" Every time you attack Clark for

that, that is the message you are sending to all the people who at one time

liked Reagan. If they have now changed their minds (just as Kucinich has

done by going from anti-choice to pro-choice, and Dean has done by wanting

to cut Medicare to now not wanting to cut it) ? and if Clark has become a

liberal Democrat, is that not something to cheer?

 

 

 

In fact, having made that political journey and metamorphosis, is he not the

best candidate to bring millions of other former Reagan supporters to our

side -- blue collar people who have now learned the hard way just how bad

Reagan and the Republicans were (and are) for them?

 

 

 

We need to take that big DO NOT ENTER sign off our tent and reach out to the

vast majority who have been snookered by these right-wingers. And we have a

better chance of winning in November with one of their own leading them to

the promised land.

 

 

 

There is much more to discuss and, in the days and weeks ahead, I will

continue to send you my thoughts. In the coming months, I will also be

initiating a number of efforts on my website to make sure we get out the

vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

 

 

 

In addition to voting for Wesley Clark, I will also be spending part of my

Bush tax cut to help him out. You can join me, if you like, by going to his

website to learn more about him, to volunteer, or to donate. To find out

about when your state?s presidential primaries are, visit Vote Smart.

 

 

 

I strongly urge you to vote for Wes Clark. Let's join together to ensure

that we are putting forth our BEST chance to defeat Bush on the November

ballot. It is, at this point, for the sake of the world, a moral imperative.

 

 

 

Yours,

 

 

 

Michael Moore

 

www.michaelmoore.com

 

mmflint@aol.com

 

 

 

P.S. To register to vote visit www.yourvotematters.org.

Florida will vote Republican as it usually does...

You mean Reno won't rerun for governor.

Michael Moore is a fat, greasy dick. My dog is funnier than he is, and is probably more polite when eating dinner.

This will be my first election where I vote, and thanks to the complete lack of major candidates that are even close to what I believe, I'm going with the party most think I should be in and voting libertarian.

Check out their issues dude. You should vote for someone who you think stands for what you believe in the closest. I have, and my party on the voting card will say Republican but they are a little bit more moderate then I am. I only side with them most of the time because I refuse to have socialists running the country (SEE: Howard Dean).

 

And Florida has only been voting republican recently, DT. This state, for a long long time, has been a democratic stronghold. Look at the history of the legislature. How long was it, 20 years of Democratic majority in both the State House and Senate before the Republicans finally regained the majority in 2000?