Having recently read an article on ESPN Insider about how the Rangers are looking to unload Soriano for a Blue Chip Pitching Prospect it makes me sick. Soriano is one of the most special players in the game. Say hypothetically the marlins could give up a couple of there top pitching prospects to acquire Soriano, possibly stick him in left or right, and move conine to first, i'm curious what you guys would think of such a deal. That speed at the top of the lineup would be probobly the best ever. Just imagine Piere-Castillo-Soriano. Not to mention that Soriano is capable of hitting 40 out (though at PPS it wouldnt be easy). Also this would compensate for some of the fire power lost from losing Pudge and Lee. I'd just like to say again that I have no information to back a trade like this up, but am just curious of others opinions.

I don't know if we could afford Soriano after he becomes a free agent so I doubt the Marlins would do this deal. I don't know who we could give the Rangers. Jeff Allison? I would love to see Soriano play for the Marlins. I just don't see it happening.

right, Id love to do it but the money would kill is, so no.

I really don't see soriano's swing working at pro player. His produxtion would be close to what he did with the yankees with that unfriendly LF, but it get's frustrating to watch flyballs become outs at the warning track. That's why his swing will be perfect in arlington.

Having recently read an article on ESPN Insider about how the Rangers are looking to unload Soriano for a Blue Chip Pitching Prospect it makes me sick. Soriano is one of the most special players in the game.

 

He's good, but he's not as good as people make him out to be. What makes him "special" is that he's a 2B, but his defense at 2B is atrocious and he should be in the OF. Unless he plays CF, he becomes a very good player and is no longer "special". Considering the Rangers have a lot of good, young offensive talent in the pipeline and not much in the way of pitching, unloading Soriano for a blue chipper plus some B+ pitching prospects wouldn't be unreasonable.

Having recently read an article on ESPN Insider about how the Rangers are looking to unload Soriano for a Blue Chip Pitching Prospect it makes me sick. Soriano is one of the most special players in the game.

 

He's good, but he's not as good as people make him out to be. What makes him "special" is that he's a 2B, but his defense at 2B is atrocious and he should be in the OF. Unless he plays CF, he becomes a very good player and is no longer "special". Considering the Rangers have a lot of good, young offensive talent in the pipeline and not much in the way of pitching, unloading Soriano for a blue chipper plus some B+ pitching prospects wouldn't be unreasonable. Soriano's defense is middle of the pack according to most statisitcs, like UZR. I watch him play, and his inability to do some simple things is compensated by his ability to get some balls no one would reach. The result? His defense is average and it can certainly improve. I would keep him at second if I were texas.

Having recently read an article on ESPN Insider about how the Rangers are looking to unload Soriano for a Blue Chip Pitching Prospect it makes me sick. Soriano is one of the most special players in the game.

 

He's good, but he's not as good as people make him out to be. What makes him "special" is that he's a 2B, but his defense at 2B is atrocious and he should be in the OF. Unless he plays CF, he becomes a very good player and is no longer "special". Considering the Rangers have a lot of good, young offensive talent in the pipeline and not much in the way of pitching, unloading Soriano for a blue chipper plus some B+ pitching prospects wouldn't be unreasonable. Plus, we already have one them there second basemen :hat

Having recently read an article on ESPN Insider about how the Rangers are looking to unload Soriano for a Blue Chip Pitching Prospect it makes me sick. Soriano is one of the most special players in the game.

 

He's good, but he's not as good as people make him out to be. What makes him "special" is that he's a 2B, but his defense at 2B is atrocious and he should be in the OF. Unless he plays CF, he becomes a very good player and is no longer "special". Considering the Rangers have a lot of good, young offensive talent in the pipeline and not much in the way of pitching, unloading Soriano for a blue chipper plus some B+ pitching prospects wouldn't be unreasonable. Soriano's defense is middle of the pack according to most statisitcs, like UZR. I watch him play, and his inability to do some simple things is compensated by his ability to get some balls no one would reach. The result? His defense is average and it can certainly improve. I would keep him at second if I were texas. I agree totally. Moved away from second he become an above average hitter and base-runner, but at second he is unquestionably one of the top 3 second baseman in baseball, arguably the best simply because of his hitting. He'll never win a gold glove, but he's not as bad as people make him out to be. The games I saw him play in person (World Series not included) he allowed some playable balls to get behind him, but his lateral range also allowed him to make a few amazing diving stops. He's serviceable at second, and I think that makes him wasted in the out-field...

His produxtion would be close to what he did with the yankees with that unfriendly LF

:blink:

Money issue, and also I'm not looking to deal Mr. Allison. A Beckett, Burnett, Allison Top 3 in a few years sounds very good. As mentioned above, I'd think he'd be the pitching prospect they would want.

The Rangers are trying to rebuild and if they can parlay Soriano into some other positional or pitching talent I say go for it.

 

We traded away Floyd, Dempster, Wilson and Johnson to name a few, and took alot of crap for it. Marlins fans should be the last ones to condemn trading away high-priced talent to better the team - look where it got us!

 

Soriano is a fabulous player who any team would love to have but...

 

...you have to break some eggs to make an omelette and if he gets traded and the Rangers gets some payroll flexibility and overall improve the team, I'm for it.

His produxtion would be close to what he did with the yankees with that unfriendly LF

:blink: i think I meant "production."

 

The LF at yankee stadium is among the most unfriendly if not the most unfriendly in all of baseball, and Soriano is a righty powerhitter who hits to all fields, but hits for power to left.

 

Soriano, being 5.4 million dollars and quite possibly the best offensive second baseman this year (remember his road statistics) is a steal. Trading him away this year would just be plain stupid, because without him is there any incentive to watch a single game in texas? Soriano is fun to watch, he brings a legitmately great bat to the texas lineup, and without him Texas as officially resigned any hope at all to do ANYTHING this year.

dude its texas, they'll take Kevin Olsen and a couple of nobodys and they'll be static.

 

 

soriano in teal ... ahha woah

dude its texas, they'll take Kevin Olsen and a couple of nobodys and they'll be static.

 

 

soriano in teal ... ahha woah

when was the last time Texas was flat out robbed in a deal?

obviously I have vested interest in soriano. 1. He's my favorite player, and 2. him being in texas is why he was my first round draft pick!

 

I think Soriano would help the marlins be major contenders though as long as their pitching works out and middle relief is fixed up a bit by the deadline. 5.4 million? Aren't you guys under budget? You can afford him.

The Marlins have two years (2004-05) of Hampton/Pudge and without the promise of increased revenue from a new stadium in the out years have to carefully husband their economic resources with an eye towards keeping their pitching staff intact for several more years, so being "under" budget is a fable as long as the franchise is losing money.

 

(hows that for a run-on sentence??? lolol)

hell I would send Lincoln Holdzkom, Trevor Hutchinson and Kevin Olsen there in a hurry

 

*gets on the horn to John Hart*

 

again, the problem would be money after this season..... but I would love to sign him to a multiyear deal

 

gotta love speculating

i think everyone should just stop talking about how if he plays outfield he just just an above average offensive player. He is a 40-40 guy. Please tell me who else you can get that is capable of that ANY POSITION. In addition, if we get him, I say he have the best 1-5 offensively in the NL and we certainly can afford him next year. Also, if we get the stadium I think this is something that Beinfest should at least look into. This is also one of the few teams where you can feel completely comfortable taking him out of that leadoff and even second spot and bump him down to that third spot where he could be most succcessful. I also would not give up Allison, but I am not so sure we have to.

Soriano's defense is middle of the pack according to most statisitcs, like UZR. I watch him play, and his inability to do some simple things is compensated by his ability to get some balls no one would reach. The result? His defense is average and it can certainly improve. I would keep him at second if I were texas.

 

According to regular zone rating he was the 3rd-worst full-time 2B last year in the AL with a .811 ZR. The only two worse than him were Luis Rivas and Todd Walker (and Walker is currently riding the pine in Chicago). He was slightly worse than Bret Boone and (if you count them as 1 full-time player) and about the equal to the D'Angelo Jimenez/Roberto Alomar combination in Chicago. But he was way behind the following: Adam Kennedy (.853), Brian Roberts (.847), Brandon Phillips (.857), Warren Morris (.839), Mark Ellis (.889), Marlon Anderson (.852), and Orlando Hudson (.837). Michael Young (.823) and the Carlos Febles/Desi Relaford platoon in KC (.819/.818) were also better, but not by the huge margin of the previous 7. Soriano's defense at 2B sucks, which is why the Yankees were talking about moving him to the OF and why Texas is looking to make him a CF.

i think everyone should just stop talking about how if he plays outfield he just just an above average offensive player. He is a 40-40 guy. Please tell me who else you can get that is capable of that ANY POSITION.

 

Soriano has never gone 40-40, and even if he did he'd still be only an .870 OPS guy due to his low OBP. That makes him a pretty good OF, but nothing special, and somebody who is mostly useless in the playoffs due to his bad defense and his ability to get dominated by good pitching (as his career .233/.287/.336 playoff numbers bear out).

 

I'm not saying this to rag on the guy and say that he sucks. He's a very good player, but he's not the offensive god that many people make him out to be. Unlike A-Rod, it's his position that makes him so valuable. If he were an OF, he'd be a slightly lesser version of Carlos Beltran.

Soriano's defense is middle of the pack according to most statisitcs, like UZR. I watch him play, and his inability to do some simple things is compensated by his ability to get some balls no one would reach. The result? His defense is average and it can certainly improve. I would keep him at second if I were texas.

 

According to regular zone rating he was the 3rd-worst full-time 2B last year in the AL with a .811 ZR. The only two worse than him were Luis Rivas and Todd Walker (and Walker is currently riding the pine in Chicago). He was slightly worse than Bret Boone and (if you count them as 1 full-time player) and about the equal to the D'Angelo Jimenez/Roberto Alomar combination in Chicago. But he was way behind the following: Adam Kennedy (.853), Brian Roberts (.847), Brandon Phillips (.857), Warren Morris (.839), Mark Ellis (.889), Marlon Anderson (.852), and Orlando Hudson (.837). Michael Young (.823) and the Carlos Febles/Desi Relaford platoon in KC (.819/.818) were also better, but not by the huge margin of the previous 7. Soriano's defense at 2B sucks, which is why the Yankees were talking about moving him to the OF and why Texas is looking to make him a CF. Good post, but that is one of many statistics. Fld%, rng, UZR are all slightly below or average. I've seen the guy play, I would say he's average.

Soriano's defense is middle of the pack according to most statisitcs, like UZR.? I watch him play, and his inability to do some simple things is compensated by his ability to get some balls no one would reach.? The result?? His defense is average and it can certainly improve.? I would keep him at second if I were texas.

 

According to regular zone rating he was the 3rd-worst full-time 2B last year in the AL with a .811 ZR. The only two worse than him were Luis Rivas and Todd Walker (and Walker is currently riding the pine in Chicago). He was slightly worse than Bret Boone and (if you count them as 1 full-time player) and about the equal to the D'Angelo Jimenez/Roberto Alomar combination in Chicago. But he was way behind the following: Adam Kennedy (.853), Brian Roberts (.847), Brandon Phillips (.857), Warren Morris (.839), Mark Ellis (.889), Marlon Anderson (.852), and Orlando Hudson (.837). Michael Young (.823) and the Carlos Febles/Desi Relaford platoon in KC (.819/.818) were also better, but not by the huge margin of the previous 7. Soriano's defense at 2B sucks, which is why the Yankees were talking about moving him to the OF and why Texas is looking to make him a CF. Good post, but that is one of many statistics. Fld%, rng, UZR are all slightly below or average. I've seen the guy play, I would say he's average. his fielding pct is horrendous and near the bottom.

 

his zone rating (important stat) of .811 is pretty bad for a second baseman.

 

his range factor of 4.82 is also pretty low for a second baseman.

 

 

i know you've seen him play, but honestly i don't think you have anything to compare his performance to. FPCT, ZR, and RF tell a lot about a player's defensive ability, and looking at his numbers, i think it's pretty safe to say he's a poor second baseman.