MiguelDontrelle

Harrison and Diaz were in their midseason top 100 so I have no idea what is going on with this list.

We got Lowell from the Yankees in the 99 offseason. Cabrera was 16 in 99. I definitely disagree that the 98 team was fun or interesting or whatever. I don't really remember any "rebuilding with interesting prospects" narratives around the team back then, it was just "the WS team was too expensive so they had to trade everyone and now they're gonna be bad for a long time." The young WS holdovers (Counsell, Livan, Renteria) had really boring years. The pitching staff was a disaster (3 guys with 10+ starts and ERAs over 6). It was grim, especially coming off a WS.

All of the 03 core guys that were on the Marlins in 98 were pretty bad that season (Lee, Castillo, Gonzalez). Burnett was still in the minors. High profile prospects like Wilson and Dempster also had really bad debuts that year. The rotation looked like trash but at least guys like Kotsay, Floyd, Dunwoody and Redmond looked somewhat promising. I don't remember being too optimistic about the future after that season but they did really well in 99 by acquiring Lowell and Penny, drafting Beckett and signing Miggy.

If teams saw Barraclough as a middle reliever, his true value was probably somewhere between what the Rays got for Andriese and what the Rangers got for Kela. I'm guessing a fringe top 20 guy + a lottery ticket. Would people have been happy with that? I think it's OK but I'm not sure if I care too much because I think they could probably get something similar at next year's deadline.

I mean there's not really a standard that says a player should be this good at a certain level by a certain age. I know it's not perfect, but using BR's AgeDif literally every prospect mentioned in this thread is young for their level (including Guzman).

Something else to consider if you're underwhelmed with some of the minor league performances: This new FO has been really aggressive w promotions. Like as soon as a guy shows signs of settling in they get bumped up a level. They've done this with Diaz, Lopez, Yamamoto, Miller, Dunand, Pompey, Osiris, Scott, banfield. Really the only guy that's been able to get comfortable and accumulate good stats is neidert. I have a weird feeling that people would feel better about guys like Lopez and Diaz if they were just left in AA to pad their stats all year.

Some early 06 Hermida/Abercrombie/Aguila/Reed combos come to mind.

The only player from the list of guys we traded that should've commanded a "Jose/Stanton/Yelich" type of player (lmao for including Morrison in that list, might as well include Hermida) is Yelich. Brinson's preseason rankings are in line with where Yelich was the year he was promoted.

Pretty sure the Phils plan includes non-tendering Bour next season. They have $40 mil owed to Santana next two seasons, not sure why they'd pay $5 mil for Bour to come off the bench. It's a nice short term addition for the Phils but not much beyond that.

Yeah, they like him enough to pay $450K to acquire him the summer before he's Rule 5 eligible. So there's a pretty high chance he gets added to the 40-man this offseason.

Seems like this basically confirms that Bour was getting non-tendered next winter.

Gorman gets full slot $3,231,700 per Jim Callis. With guys like Liberatore and Gorman, I guess the fan/media player evaluations didn't match the teams'.

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I agree the decision to draft a guy like Singer vs. Scott is definitely financially motivated. But the issue isn't whether or not the Marlins are willing to spend $ on the draft. It's do you want to spend like 60% + of your bonus pool on just Brady Singer, or would you rather put that towards Scott + one or two others.

I'm guessing they'll need to save $ on the Scott and/or Johnson picks in order to go above slot for the highly-ranked Vandy commit they got in the 3rd.

FWIW Fangraphs linked us to high school SS Blaze Alexander in the 2nd round in one of their recent mock drafts

Do people not understand bonus pools? The Rays' have the second highest pool in this draft, which gives them the flexibility to pick a guy demanding high $ like Lib.

Yeah but in recent years they've been pretty good about making up for it with above-slot signings. They spent the max amount possible on the draft (without having to pay overage penalties) in 2016 and 2017, and were fairly close to the max amount in 2014 and 2015. So if/when they target below-slot guys early in the draft, they're offsetting the difference with above-slot signings later on. Many of the recent above-slot picks have been bad (guys like Casey Soltis, Nick White, and Justin Cohen from the 14/15 draft classes have already been released), but a few are still relevant prospects (Roy Morales, Chris Paddack smh, Thomas Jones, Colton Hock).

Just thinking out loud here but this trade makes me wonder if Capps was a non-tender candidate going into next season. Ramos and Phelps are expensive, $2 mil for Rodney, Wittgren/Barraclough/Ellington are cheap options, plus whatever LHP they get. Idk what Capps would get in his 2nd arb year, but they might not have wanted to pay anything for an injury prone guy like that w all those other options. Not saying I'd want that to happen, but it's a possible scenario. In that sense, Capps for $ and Guerrero reminds of Cishek for $ and Barraclough. Try and salvage something for a guy you're probably not bringing back. JMO