Not by win loss record but by run differential the 2018 team could surpass the 98 team...

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-marlins/article218196295.html

 

Interesting article but it makes for great conversation... what's a better gauge? Win loss record or run differential? Also interesting, if you remove the blowout losses the 2018 team has been pretty good in close games so that could stand for something too.

 

Who do you truly think is worse? 

 

 

1998 team was worse just from my viewpoint as a fan, I was a big fan back then as well and remember it well.

 

To answer your question, I'm not sure because a few blowout games can really skew the differential.

 

 

The 98 team had many future stars and way better, more exciting prospects. We also had Leyland as manager and some of the stars like sheff, Bonilla, etc for part of the season. We even had Piazza for a 3 days. You had reasons to watch that team for drama reasons at least. This 2018 team is just a huge dumpster ?. Hardly any trades happened and the front office has nothing to work with. Dombrowski did not disappoint!

 

 

A lot of close game losses this year because the bullpen blew the lead and gave up just enough to lose (See last night's game for a good example of this or the 4-3 loss to the Mets - Bearclaw's back to back HR fuck-up)

 

 

A lot of close game losses this year because the bullpen blew the lead and gave up just enough to lose (See last night's game for a good example of this or the 4-3 loss to the Mets - Bearclaw's back to back HR fuck-up)

 

aka wins they would've had, I don't recall the 1998 team being close to wins and losing often but I may remember wrong.

 

 

Before anyone assumes wrong, I still think the 2018 team sucks even if I think 1998 was worse. They are horrible.

 

 

2018 team is rock bottom.  Watching today's game, they look really bad.  Pivetta is gonna get the single gane K record with his current pace and shitty line-up Don is using

 

 

I know this is an intangible thing but I think the 98 team coming off a championship is worse. What a disappointment. The 2018 team has been bad but they were bad for 8 seasons before this too.

 

Falling from the top of a building to the floor is worse than falling from your doorstep to the floor. 

 

 

The 98 team had many future stars 

 

You knew this back then and it helped you enjoy that season better? 

 

 

I know this is an intangible thing but I think the 98 team coming off a championship is worse. What a disappointment. The 2018 team has been bad but they were bad for 8 seasons before this too.

 

Falling from the top of a building to the floor is worse than falling from your doorstep to the floor. 

 

Not sure which is worst to be honest, a bad season after winning it all or a bad season after 15 years of no playoffs and it looks to continue that way... 

 

 

You knew this back then and it helped you enjoy that season better? 

 

I recall exactly 0 people who watched the 1998 team and said this team has so many future stars. Maybe a few of them did turn out to be big players, but at the time it looked like a team with no future.

 

 

I recall exactly 0 people who watched the 1998 team and said this team has so many future stars. Maybe a few of them did turn out to be big players, but at the time it looked like a team with no future.

 

That’s not true. We received many top prospects from the fire sale that had good minor league numbers and draft status. A lot of the pitchers we got back had exciting stuff and players like lee, Castillo, Lowell, etc were fun to watch. Even aj Burnett was throwing a version of a screwball back then.  

 

It was a bad team, but there were lots of more reasons to watch it. At least there were solid moves being made despite the circumstances for those moves. 2018 is like watching laundry dry.

 

 

That’s not true. We received many top prospects from the fire sale that had good minor league numbers and draft status. A lot of the pitchers we got back had exciting stuff and players like lee, Castillo, Lowell, etc were fun to watch. Even aj Burnett was throwing a version of a screwball back then.  

 

It was a bad team, but there were lots of more reasons to watch it. At least there were solid moves being made despite the circumstances for those moves. 2018 is like watching laundry dry.

 

Hindsight is 20/20... you're basing this on how the 98 team eventually developed without knowing what will happen to the 2018 team. 

 

 

Hindsight is 20/20... you're basing this on how the 98 team eventually developed without knowing what will happen to the 2018 team. 

 

Nah, we had top prospects in lee, castillo, Lowell, 5 tool prospects Wilson, Floyd and lots of pitchers with exciting stuff, even if they didn’t pan out. We were also clearly making lots of moves rebuilding with dombrowski at the helm.  

 

2018 has little bright spots outside of Realmuto. All of our pitchers suck except 2 or 3 with 1 of them about to have his arm fall off. 

 

2018 just a roster with dead weight... disappointing all around mostly because hardly any moves have been made/no trades happening with nobody wanting our garbage. 

 

 

they're both pretty equal.  it's hard to compare the two because we KNOW how a bunch of guys from that season turned out when we don't know what will happen with this season. I went back and took a peek at the stats from that year though and the offense certainly seemed as it was a bit more entertaining to watch than this singles-built juggernaut they've assembled.  Again though, both seasons were garbage fires.  I don't "favor" one over the other really.

 

 

it's hard to compare the two because we KNOW how a bunch of guys from that season turned out when we don't know what will happen with this season.

 

This right here exactly.  

 

 

I've enjoyed bits and pieces of this season. Had some pitchers emerge that looked good before getting injured [Caleb Smith] or just flat out imploding [bearclaw ............]. I was too young to remember the 1998 season, so I'll compare it more to the ones I do remember, 2006 and 2013.

 

06 team, similar to the 98 team, had a lot of awesome future talent, which can of course be seen in hindsight - however, that team was way better than it should have been in 2006. Starting off 11-31 and then having a point where we actually were leading the Wild Card in September, that was, honestly, one of my favorite seasons as a fan. 2007 had high expectations that, unfortunately due to injury, fell flat.

 

2013 team, only two reasons to watch [stanton and Jose]. Then Stanton missed a month and a half with his at the time yearly leg injury, but thankfully they brought up Ozuna, so at least for me, it gave me another reason to watch. Yelich later came up, gave another reason. And those four gave hope for the future. Marisnick as well at the time, although we knew that would be a logjam in the outfield unless one of them moved to first base [or as it turned out, got traded for subpar pitching help the next year ...]. I would have loved an outfield of Yelich - Marisnick - Ozuna from left to right with Stanton manning first. Would also have been fine with Stanton - Marisnick - Ozuna and Yelich at first, given Yelich had the weakest arm of the quartet. However, you sacrifice range in that case.

 

Either way ... both teams gave hope for the future. Right now, I'm uncertain for this one. I like a few of the guys we got back in the trades, but some might be a ways away still. Some [brinson] still have a bit to figure out. Will all be interesting next couple years, however, seeing how the free agency processes go, when Jeter and Co decide to open up the wallet, etc.

 

 

The 2006 team was probably my favorite team outside of the championship teams.

 

 

The 2006 team was probably my favorite team outside of the championship teams.

 

It competes with 2009 in my heart. 

 

 

lol Mets fans realizing they're not very good either. 

 

 

That’s not true. We received many top prospects from the fire sale that had good minor league numbers and draft status. A lot of the pitchers we got back had exciting stuff and players like lee, Castillo, Lowell, etc were fun to watch. Even aj Burnett was throwing a version of a screwball back then. 

 

All of the 03 core guys that were on the Marlins in 98 were pretty bad that season (Lee, Castillo, Gonzalez). Burnett was still in the minors. High profile prospects like Wilson and Dempster also had really bad debuts that year. The rotation looked like trash but at least guys like Kotsay, Floyd, Dunwoody and Redmond looked somewhat promising. I don't remember being too optimistic about the future after that season but they did really well in 99 by acquiring Lowell and Penny, drafting Beckett and signing Miggy.

 

 

All of the 03 core guys that were on the Marlins in 98 were pretty bad that season (Lee, Castillo, Gonzalez). Burnett was still in the minors. High profile prospects like Wilson and Dempster also had really bad debuts that year. The rotation looked like trash but at least guys like Kotsay, Floyd, Dunwoody and Redmond looked somewhat promising. I don't remember being too optimistic about the future after that season but they did really well in 99 by acquiring Lowell and Penny, drafting Beckett and signing Miggy.

 

In other words, the 2018 team and the 98 team were pretty much the same at the time: Total trash with questionable hope for the future. Can't just retroactively say the 1998 team was fun because of the championship 5 years later... Nobody in 1998 was enjoying it knowing there was a championship coming 5 years later. 

 

This would be like saying "I was in a horrible car wreck but it was fun because I had ice cream the next week." 

 

 

This would be like saying "I was in a horrible car wreck but it was fun because I had ice cream the next week."

 

That's literally the only reason I get into car accidents - to get ice cream the following week.

 

 

That's literally the only reason I get into car accidents - to get ice cream the following week.

 

Remind me not to get into a car with you. 

 

 

Remind me not to get into a car with you. 

 

Are you lactose intolerant or something?