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Make no mistake: TV.com loves Lost. We just love 24 more. It might not seem fair to compare the two shows, as one is a straightforward terrorist action drama and the other is a character-based supernatural drama, but who cares. The bottom line is, one show delivers the goods, and one show strings viewers along interminably and pretends to be "about" something. Nowhere has this been more evident than in the latest season of 24, where major characters are dying off right and left. Lost makes a big deal when one lousy, irritating character is accidentally shot, but 24 has cycled through almost all of the original cast in the space of half a season. Let's face it--both shows have writers who don't know where they're going. On 24, they are constantly writing themselves into corners, then they think of crazy, outlandish ways to get out of it. On Lost, they have all these characters milling around with nothing to do, and then have to find meandering mysteries for them to be involved in. Only 24 resolves these problems in a satisfying manner--someone gets shot or poisoned. Both shows have dumb blonde women. 24's is Jack's daughter, Kim. Any 24 fan can regale you with stories of Kim's misadventures through the first two seasons. She is at least laughably bad, as when she was caught in an animal trap and attacked by a cougar. Lost had Maggie Grace, who was just a cringingly bad actress. Both shows have lovable fat guys. Yet even here, 24 utilized its fat guy to maximum effect. Edgar Stiles was killed by terrorists when they released Centox gas at CTU, thereby manipulating loyal viewers into feeling rage and sadness. Lost's Hurley stole a bucket of ranch dressing. Both shows have angry psychotic men. Lost's psycho is Sawyer, who is sometimes scary but is also fun and irascible, jauntily joking as he wears broken glasses to read a book by the seaside. 24's psycho is Jack Bauer, who is only a psycho if he thinks that you are a terrorist, at which point he must torture you. Both shows have characters who are recovering drug addicts. Charlie is an ex-pop star who became addicted to heroin because his brother did. Jack Bauer forced himself to use heroin to stop terrorism. Jack Bauer made heroin usage honorable. There is a deeper "character flaw" at work on Lost: many of them are all over the map. Jack Shepard is tough, then he's a pansy, then he is noble, then he wants to start an army; Sawyer is a criminal, then he is a hero, then he is a wacko who puts hits out on Sun, hordes the medicine, steals all the guns, and crushes a tree frog; Charlie is a gentle soul who fights his personal demons, then he succumbs to them, then he is a wacko who beats up Sun, then he is lovable again; Kate is a gritty criminal, then she softens, then she likes Sawyer, but then she likes Jack, and so on. This past episode, "The Whole Truth," illustrated that point: in a fit of anger, Jin pulled Sun's garden out of the ground. This was out of character for him, even for angry Jin, but especially since Jin and Sun made up after he was mean through most of season one. He may have been gruff and cold to Sun, but he was never disrespectful and spiteful. On 24, Jack is only one thing: a terrorist fighting robot. You can count on Jack to kill anyone who stops him from his goal and to yell at various points during the season "We don't have time for that!" and begin torturing someone. Ultimately, only one show delivers the goods on a weekly basis: 24. Lost doles out one or two enigmatic tidbits but never reveals anything. Often, the episode wraps up with a montage of the characters going about their business to a syrupy acoustic-guitar melody. 24 episodes wrap up with someone dying, then the sound of beeping, unless it's an extra poignant death, in which case there is silence. It's only fun to be in the dark if you feel like you're being taken care of. On 24, you know that no matter how implausible and crazy it seems right then, by the end of the season the bad guys will be dead and Jack will have decimated his personal life in the process. On Lost, will we even get to learn what "the countdown" is? Will we learn what that grey smoke-thing is? Where is the polar bear? Will we ever actually know what the mystery of the island is? More importantly, do the show's writers even know? Lost is the perpetual tease, and it's becoming too much. -TV.com He makes some great points but very biased at the same time. I honestly don't know which one I like better and I don't plan on ever choosing one over the other.

I have to be honest. I just noticed this subforum right now.

Hook Easily the worst Steven Spielberg movie I've ever seen. Not suprised... you seem to block out every movie made in the 90s and beyond.

Hook

Becker

KVD

Das: Look what I'm having for dinner!

Back in the summer of 2003, when America was familiarizing itself with a new kind of guy known as the metrosexual, Spike TV launched itself as the "first network for men." The network certainly had some manly bona fides -- James Bond movies, pro wrestling, grown-up cartoons -- but it also had a problem. That would be its logo, a cursive rendering of the word "Spike" that one TV critic described as "flowing, kind of wussy script." Albie Hecht, then president of the network, defended it, saying "There's a lot of manly logos out there that use that cursiveness, and to me, that signature is a way of talking about personality and I love it." Two-plus years later, though, "metrosexual" is no longer a buzzword and Spike is rebranding itself as, well, even more masculine than it was before. The network on Wednesday unveiled a new, more aggressive logo that it says will stand "in stark contrast with the cursive lettering ... of the past." The new logo, along with the cheeky, double-entendre tagline of "Get More Action," will be seen on-air starting in May. "Spike is an entertainment brand dedicated to men. We are a destination that will inspire and define men through bold, action-packed original entertainment," says Niels Schuurmans, creative director at Spike. "We feel our brand positioning and new logo reflect that, and are dedicated to helping our audience 'Get More Action.'" The image makeover goes along with some programming initiatives at the network, including a renewal of Spike's deal with the Ulimate Fighting Championship and the launch of the network's first original scripted series, "Blade," in June. Reruns of "The Shield" started airing on the network this month, and Spike will also become the home of the "Star Wars" movies in 2008. "Be it action in its conventional meaning, to action on the tables in Las Vegas, to action in the Octagon for a mixed martial arts fight, guys can expect a constant stream of action programming on Spike TV," general manager Kevin Kay says.

This happens once in awhile, usually the thread dissapears This happens once in awhile, usually the thread dissapears was it worth repeating?

Watched it last night, enjoyed it... I've got another show on my weekly viewing schedule now and right before 24 which works nicely. Yeah great episode last night. I'm hooked on this show. I don't think I can handle PB, 24, and Lost!

Elliot or Kevin. One of the two will be voted off. Bucky or Lisa. 20% chance one of them will be voted off.

Elliot is going to be leaving tomorrow.

Jakki Degg, can't betray my pick. But damn.... that picture of KVD is hard to say no too. The one with the bigger breasts always wins the first round it seems...

nice sig by the way

close one... I'd have to say Nikki though

Lucy

YES!! King of the Hill (and the Simpsons) are back!! :woohoo They were never gone. :blink:

Futon reports: FOX RENEWS ANIMATED HIT SERIES "'THE SIMPSONS" AND "KING OF THE HILL" THE SIMPSONS Picked Up For Two Additional Seasons KING OF THE HILL Picked Up For One Additional Season Fox Broadcasting Company has ordered two additional seasons of THE SIMPSONS and one additional season of KING OF THE HILL. This will take THE SIMPSONS, created by executive producer Matt Groening, through 19 seasons in 2007-2008. Mike Judge's KING OF THE HILL is picked up for its 11th season. Having debuted on Jan. 14, 1990, THE SIMPSONS reigns as the longest-running animated series in history and the longest-running primetime series currently on television. THE SIMPSONS is a cultural institution and will celebrate a milestone 400 episodes in May 2007. Now in its 17th season, THE SIMPSONS has been critically praised and bestowed with numerous honors, including a Peabody Award and 21 Emmy Awards. THE SIMPSONS currently holds the Guinness Book of World Records titles for Longest-Running Primetime Animated Television Series and Most Guest Stars Featured in a Television Series. Recognized as a pop culture icon, Homer Simpson's annoyed grunt ? "D'oh!" ? is an official word in the Oxford English Dictionary, and THE SIMPSONS has a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. THE SIMPSONS and KING OF THE HILL are the two longest-running comedies currently on primetime television. The 200th milestone episode of KING OF THE HILL will air this May on FOX. KING OF THE HILL also has received numerous accolades, including an Emmy Award for Outstanding Animated Program in 1999, a Nancy Susan Reynolds Award in 1997, a Women's Image Network Award in 2004 and Environmental Media Awards in 2001 and 2003. KING OF THE HILL has garnered numerous nominations for Annie Awards, Prism Awards and Shine Awards and was hailed as the Best Television Show of the Year after its debut by TV Guide, Entertainment Weekly and Time Magazine. The series is currently translated into numerous languages, including Spanish, French and Portuguese, and is licensed in almost 50 countries around the world

March Madness is down from previous years. Soon they will have to call it March Sadness. :blink: is this your own opinion? March Madness is down from previous years. Soon they will have to call it March Sadness. :plain Relax... I was only talking about the television ratings. I'm not really into college sports either(baseball included) since I am not in college yet and noone around me(or anyone I know) speak of it. Come back to me in a year to see if my opinion has changed.

March Madness is down from previous years. Soon they will have to call it March Sadness.

Good reply by Sheff and Pierzynski Agreed. I think I am starting to like Sheff more now. I'm pretty sure if you read the rest of questions they asked him, your mouth would sour up again.

I just got my Maxim Magazine today and I was reading through it and I saw Gary Sheffield, Kevin Millwood, A. J. Pierzynski, and Jim Edmonds answering some questions. Maxim asked them: With the Marlins' fire sale and the Devil Rays' incompetence, should we just ban baseball in Florida? Millwood: Um, sure [laughs]. I guess that's the Marlins' game plan. Play good for a few years and then sell everybody off. Sheffield: No, I'm from Florida, and I'm very sensitive about the market here. I want to see it do well, and do all I can do to promote it in the Florida community. Pierzynski: I live in Orlando, so you're asking the wrong guy. They need to get Tampa out of St. Petersburg. They need to put them in Tampa where the Bucs are. And the Marlins need their own stadium. Dolphins Stadium is a great place to watch football, but not very nice for baseball.

Lee

The ratings were awful. There's another one in July and if it bombs, I doubt we see any more after that. yeah... it lost to EVERYTHING.

I read in the paper a while ago that Dontrelle Willis was going to be on Extreme Home Makeover. I know they are doing a few hurricane episodes so watch tonight and see if the family is from Palm Beach It is on ABC at 7pm et Hurricane episodes begin Thursdays at 8 and will run for 4 weeks straight there. We might not see Dontrelle for a month.