And until he pitches a complete game on 3 days rest to beat the "best team in baseball" in the toughest stadium to play in in the world, to WIN the World Series, I'm gonna have to ask you to get off Josh's Nuts.

That is really fun to read.

(Waits for asinine comeback from Soriano about how Brown won a Hungry Hungry Hippos tournament in elementary school thus making him better than Beckett)

I find it highly unintelligent that Brown is even compared to a far inferior pitcher in Becket. Brown being better is a self evident fact.

 

210 innings, 2.38 era...mediocre or are you just stupid?

Kevin Brown's Career Stats

 

Dude has a career ERA of 3.16. Observe the following statement from MLB.Com's "Understanding ERA thesis"

 

In modern baseball, an ERA under 2.00 is considered exceptional and is rare. An ERA between 2.00 and 3.00 is also considered great and is only achieved by the best pitchers in the league. ERA between 3.00 and 4.00 is average. An ERA between 4.00 and 5.00 is below-average.An ERA above 5.00 is generally considered poor, and a pitcher with an ERA above 6.00 for a prolonged period of time is usually in danger of losing his job.

 

Websters defines Mediocre as "me?di?o?cre"

adj.

Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary. See Synonyms at average.

 

 

Now if Kevin Brown's career ERA is 3.16 and 3.00-4.00 is considered average, I would say he's mediocre.

 

Again, I say to you. Until Kevin Brown pitches a complete game on 3 days rest to beat the "best team in baseball" in the toughest stadium to play in in the world, to WIN the World Series, I'm gonna have to ask you to get off Josh's Nuts.

Now that I have said my peace, I shall await yet another excursion into the argumentative hell that is SorianoFan's existence. (sighs) :banghead :banghead

I don't use the stupid word lightly, but jeez, are you stupid?

 

Kevin Brown has the 31st best ERA+ in history, debatable making him the 31st best pitcher ever, adjusting for era and ballpark effects.

 

Pitchers equal or below brown in ERA+:

Sandy Koufax

Dizzy Dean

Carl Hubbell

Hal Newhouser

Amos Rusie

Mike Mussina

Curt Schilling

Stan Coveleski

Bob Gibson

Tom Seaver

Lefty Gomez

Tim Keefe

Jim Palmer

Dazzy Vance

John Smoltz

Bob Feller

Juan Marchial

Eddie Plank

Babe Ruth

Don Drysdale

Tom Glavine

Clark Griffith

Joe McGinnity

 

All HOFers, future HOFers, or close (Smoltz, Schilling, Mussina, Glavine). If these guys are mediocre, I'll eat my hat. And you sir know nothing about baseball.

 

Owned.

Me 1

You 0

Brown and Beckett arent even in the same league yet. One post season doesnt make a HOF career.

 

Lets see if Beckett can have a healthy full season before we start making comparsions to possible hall of fame pitchers in Brown.

(Waits for asinine comeback from Soriano about how Brown won a Hungry Hungry Hippos tournament in elementary school thus making him better than Beckett)

Actually, Captain Sarcasm, Mr. Brown won a World Championship with the 1997 Florida Marlins.

 

And then helped lead the 1998 San Diego Padres right back to the World Series.

 

I'd take Beckett over Brown right now (only because he's so much younger), but I know medicore (your posts) and he is not.

why must everything be debated?

 

lets just say we are all morons and call it a day...

Wow, he said something stuoid so he doesn't know anything aout baseball? What an a**hole.

why must everything be debated?

 

lets just say we are all morons and call it a day...

You, sir, are incorrect.

 

(glove slap)

 

You have been challenged to a debate.

Mr Hugginstein

 

i challenge you to a duel

 

*smacks the sh!t out of Hugg with an oven mit*

Mr Hugginstein

 

i challenge you to a duel

 

*smacks the sh!t out of Hugg with an oven mit*

Sorry, I do battle with words, not weapons of mass destruction (looks at fists).

 

Don't forget J, I am the reigning Debate Champion on this here board. (gloats)

Sorry, I do battle with words, not weapons of mass destruction (looks at fists).

dood that is the funniest thing i read ALL day :lol :notworthy :lol

:lol

 

On Baseball tonight Dibble voted for Torre as the best late inning strategist in baseball.

The Yankees have glaring holes at 2nd, DH, and at the end of the rotation. I didn't even know that Osborne was still playing until about a week ago.

Dibble is an idiot. And seriously guys, Beckett is not proven yet, let's not make him out to be the all mighty God.

Pitchers equal or below brown in ERA+:

Sandy Koufax

Dizzy Dean

Carl Hubbell

Hal Newhouser

Amos Rusie

Mike Mussina

Curt Schilling

Stan Coveleski

Bob Gibson

Tom Seaver

Lefty Gomez

Tim Keefe

Jim Palmer

Dazzy Vance

John Smoltz

Bob Feller

Juan Marchial

Eddie Plank

Babe Ruth

Don Drysdale

Tom Glavine

Clark Griffith

Joe McGinnity

You forgot the two most important pitchers with ERA's below brown, Cy Young and Walter Johnson.

So everyone below walter johnson, pedro martinez, and cy young are mediocre?

 

Roger Clemen's career era is .03 worse than Brown. Is he, possibly the second greatest right handed pitcher in history, mediocre. Dude, give me a break and admit you are so dead wrong, it is not funny.

 

And to Brian, yes, he does not know baseball. Roy Halladay won the cy young award with a 3.25 era, .09 worse than Brown's career era and .97 worse than Brown's 2003 ERA. One must lack major mental faculties to call brown a mediocre pitcher, I am sorry.

 

Mediocre: Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary

 

That hardly explains KEvin Brown, let alone Roger Clemens, Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Roy Halladay, and ect.

 

Owned

 

Me 2

GM 0

still fail to see how contreras is better than penny :thumbdown *shakes head in dissapointment*

still fail to see how contreras is better than penny :thumbdown *shakes head in dissapointment*

I'm not getting into that.

Brown and Beckett arent even in the same league yet. One post season doesnt make a HOF career.

 

Lets see if Beckett can have a healthy full season before we start making comparsions to possible hall of fame pitchers in Brown.

agreed 100%

More screw ups:

-batting rodriguez third when he clearly is hitting worse than sheffield and sheffield is generally a better obp guy anyway

-not playing tony clark at first, playing giambi there, and DHing Sierra

-Didn't play crosby when he was hot

-pinched hit with Sierra slumping bat instead of Crosby's bat 4/19/04

Sierra is a BUM!!! Get him outta there once and for all, he only tied up the game for us in game 4 only to allow Jeff Weaver blow it for us (like that was a surprise)...

I say we make the trade now, and get Jose Vidro in pinstripes and get rid of Enrique Wilson. It wouldnt be a bad idea to let Tony Clark play once in awhile, he has a decent stick and helped us in Japan with the HR.