I despise PETA because an activist group from them threw a bucket of red paint on my dads truck as we were coming out of our hunting farm. Theyre ignorant morons in my opinion. You dont see us tossing paint on people cause they dont hunt. WHat gives them thr right to do it to us?

On a sidenote, KFC is prosecuting PETA for the so called "KFCruelty" campaign. It seems that those videos were not filmed in KFC Chicken factories at all. Nice work PETA. Way to keep your cause nice and credible. :thumbup

Preparing for BBQ in front of PETA HQ

invitees:

marlinfan

mays660bonds

nc marlin

ajb34

special k

rferry (i think)

I was looking over a menu in a restaurant the other day when I saw a section for vegetarians; I thought to myself "boy, I sure am glad that I'm not a meat-hating fascist" and I skipped on to the steak section (because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $15 for an alfalfa sandwich, slice of cucumber and a scoop of cold cottage cheese), but before I turned the page something caught my eye. The heading of the vegetarian section was titled "Guiltless Grill," not because there were menu items with fewer calories and cholesterol (since there were "healthy" chicken dishes discriminated against in this section), but because none of the items used animal products. Think about that phrase for a second. What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you.

 

What pisses me off so much about this phrase is the sheer narrow-mindedness of these stuck up vegetarian a**holes. You think you're saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source). Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits. What's that? I'm sorry, I don't hear any more elitist banter from you pompous cocks. Could it be because your s*** has been RUINED?

 

 

That's right: the gloves have come off. The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.

 

To even suggest that your meal is some how "guiltless" is absurd. The defense "at least we're not killing intentionally" is bulls*** anyway. How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest? You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent? I guess we should let drunk drivers off the hook too since they don't kill intentionally either, right? There's no way out of this one. The only option left for you dipshits is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical? Yeah, well, so is your stupid diet.

 

Even if combines aren't used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies. One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations--causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment. Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing.

 

A number of people have pointed out that the amount of grain grown to feed animals for slaughter every year is greater than the amount of grain grown for humans. So I guess the amount of grain grown for human consumption suddenly becomes negligible and we can conveniently ignore the fact that animals are still ruthlessly murdered either way because of your diet, right? Not to mention that the majority of grain grown for livestock is tough as rocks, coarse, and so low-grade that it's only fit for animal consumption in the first place. Spare me the "you could feed 500 people with the grain used to feed one cow" line of s***; it's not the same grain. Then there are the people who jump on the bandwagon with "you could plant billions of potatoes on the land used for cows"--good point, except for the fact that not every plot of land is equally fertile; you think farmers always have a choice on what they do with their land? Also, many vegetarians don't know (or care to acknowledge) that in many parts of the United States they have "control hunts" in which hunting permits are passed out whenever there is a pest problem (the pest here is deer, elk and antelope) that threatens wheat, soy, vegetable and other crops; this happens several times per year. Then some of you throw out claims that "we are trying to limit the suffering." How about you limit MY suffering and shut the hell up about your stupid diet for a change; nobody cares. Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn't in the millions, even if it's just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn't worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers.

 

Sources:

TIME Magazine, July 15 2002, Pg. 56

 

Steven Davis, professor of animal science at Oregon State University (at least one study has shown that simply mowing an alfalfa field caused a 50% reduction in the gray-tailed vole population): full article

 

Least Harm Principle suggests that Humans should eat beef not vegan., first published in the Proceedings of Third Congress of the European Society for Agricultural and Food Ethics, 2001

 

http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

Cows aren't fed ground up bones?

They aren't hit with blunt objects to kill them?

 

I'm surprised you are so ignorant. Visit a slaughterhouse. Visit a farm. Read the bible. You'll find plenty to object to the standard practices.

If they only knew what goes on in a slaughterhouse ...

Cows aren't fed ground up bones?

They aren't hit with blunt objects to kill them?

 

I'm surprised you are so ignorant. Visit a slaughterhouse. Visit a farm. Read the bible. You'll find plenty to object to the standard practices.

If they only knew what goes on in a slaughterhouse ... The slaughterhouse is what helps these these animals serve their purpose

are all of you "cool kids" into animal testing? ... yeah thats awesome too aint it?

 

here are some cute quotes for you ignorants

 

Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. ~Charles R. Magel

 

Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both sides should know they're in the game. ~Paul Rodriguez

 

When a man wantonly destroys one of the works of man we call him a vandal. When he destroys one of the works of god we call him a sportsman. ~Joseph Wood Krutch

 

Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage. ~Sri Aurobindo

 

If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney

 

Heart attacks... God's revenge for eating his little animal friends. ~Author Unknown

 

People often say that humans have always eaten animals, as if this is a justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been done since the earliest of times. ~Isaac Bashevis Singer

 

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy

 

A veteran USDA meat inspector from Texas describes what he has seen: "Cattle dragged and choked... knocking 'em four, five, ten times. Every now and then when they're stunned they come back to life, and they're up there agonizing. They're supposed to be re-stunned but sometimes they aren't and they'll go through the skinning process alive. I've worked in four large [slaughterhouses] and a bunch of small ones. They're all the same. If people were to see this, they'd probably feel really bad about it. But in a packing house everybody gets so used to it that it doesn't mean anything." ~Slaughterhouse 1997

(Read the book, it might give you a better idea of what you actually eat)

 

Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. ~Albert Einstein

AJB34,

Jesus also went through all the procedures before eating meat like all Jews. He treated the animal well in life, during the killing and death all while respecting the L-rd's demand for tolerance. That's a whole lot different than raising cows in cages and feeding them grinded up bones of their family members and steroids then electrocuting and bashing their brains in as they ride through the death ride of the slaughter house.

 

BTW, I eat meat very sparely. Maybe once a month or two months. And I alao think the kosher way of slaughtering animals needs to adapt to the more tolerate ways that the 21st century has allowed us to explore.

and tell me, how jesus would "put to sleep" a cattle or sheep, for i assume there was no possible way for that to happen way back then. almost every death is painfull. theres just no way around it. and please, cows dont eat grinded up bones of their family members. they chew on grass dude.

 

as for the slaughter house, its not like they freaking go through a torchure chamber. bashing their brains in? ive never heard of anyone beating a cow repeadedly in the head to kill it. and electric shock is the FASTEST way, it dies almost instantly making the process less painfull.

 

and i bring this up once again, you justify humans mistreating animals..... just the fact that humans could have the intellegence to figure this stuff out. it is unjust to give animals rights. there is no rights or laws in nature. so just to have them is quite a commodity for animals because as humans, we are the only organism to do so. You realize most of these animals never see the light of day, much less eat grass. LOL.

are all of you "cool kids" into animal testing? ... yeah thats awesome too aint it?

 

here are some cute quotes for you ignorants

 

Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. ~Charles R. Magel

 

Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both sides should know they're in the game. ~Paul Rodriguez

 

When a man wantonly destroys one of the works of man we call him a vandal. When he destroys one of the works of god we call him a sportsman. ~Joseph Wood Krutch

 

Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage. ~Sri Aurobindo

 

If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney

 

Heart attacks... God's revenge for eating his little animal friends. ~Author Unknown

 

People often say that humans have always eaten animals, as if this is a justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been done since the earliest of times. ~Isaac Bashevis Singer

 

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy

 

A veteran USDA meat inspector from Texas describes what he has seen: "Cattle dragged and choked... knocking 'em four, five, ten times. Every now and then when they're stunned they come back to life, and they're up there agonizing. They're supposed to be re-stunned but sometimes they aren't and they'll go through the skinning process alive. I've worked in four large [slaughterhouses] and a bunch of small ones. They're all the same. If people were to see this, they'd probably feel really bad about it. But in a packing house everybody gets so used to it that it doesn't mean anything." ~Slaughterhouse 1997

(Read the book, it might give you a better idea of what you actually eat)

 

Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. ~Albert Einstein

So you're saying that because I hunt PETA demonstrators had the right to throw paint on or truck? Caue if you are, I don't know who YOU are calling ignorant.

So you're saying that because I hunt PETA demonstrators had the right to throw paint on or truck? Caue if you are, I don't know who YOU are calling ignorant.

yeah thats exactly what I meant buddy ... woah you are really onto something, you should really consider being a psychic, because I really see a future in that for you.

 

 

And yeah, I do think that hunting is possibly the dumbest and most pointless thing in the world ... so yeah im sorry that it was your truck and not some other dumb redneck hunter, but Im not sorry about it ... they got cha sucka !!!

You still haven't proven how animals know right from wrong and vice versa.

You should have gotten out of your truck and beaten their a$$es.

 

As for animal testing, what do you suggest we do if we don't try it on animals(generally lab mice)? Are animals equal to humans? Obviously that's a no.

You should have gotten out of your truck and beaten their a$$es.

 

As for animal testing, what do you suggest we do if we don't try it on animals(generally lab mice)? Are animals equal to humans? Obviously that's a no.

Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. ~Charles R. Magel

You should have gotten out of your truck and beaten their a$$es.?

 

As for animal testing, what do you suggest we do if we don't try it on animals(generally lab mice)?? Are animals equal to humans? Obviously that's a no.

Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. ~Charles R. Magel I read the quote in the original quotes post but you have no suggestion. You also haven't replied to Juanky or Snicker's post about the animals in the fields being killed. And just because someone says a quote doesn't make it automatically correct.

it surely makes sense

 

dont get me wrong, I do believe to some extent that animal testing is necessary ... i dont agree with it, but sometimes you kinda have to do it .... but in most cases its pointless, and cruel ... and some of the tests they do are completly out of line.

 

and dont forget that they tested on a large number of animals, not just one.

and about the animals in the fields being killed is just pointless and it makes me laugh ... yes it happens ok i understand ... but 1st they are not going in my mouth ... and 2nd its surely a smaller amount ... 3rd at least these animals know what being free is like ... 4) its not the same, because its done without knowing unlike slaughterhouses.

 

so casualties of war are just fine? ...they happen, but its not right ... same concept just different variables

it surely makes sense

 

dont get me wrong, I do believe to some extent that animal testing is necessary ... i dont agree with it, but sometimes you kinda have to do it .... but in most cases its pointless, and cruel ... and some of the tests they do are completly out of line.

 

and dont forget that they tested on a large number of animals, not just one.

You must test on a large number of animals to get a good enough sample size to know if it is safe enough for human use.

it surely makes sense

 

dont get me wrong, I do believe to some extent that animal testing is necessary ... i dont agree with it, but sometimes you kinda have to do it .... but in most cases its pointless, and cruel ... and some of the tests they do are completly out of line.

 

and dont forget that they tested on a large number of animals, not just one.

You must test on a large number of animals to get a good enough sample size to know if it is safe enough for human use. ok i understand

 

answer me this

 

 

is it right to deprive a monkey of food, just so we know the symtoms of malnutrition are? ... thats f***ing wrong

 

deprive a baby monkey of its mother, just so we could see the psychological impact ? ... f*** that

 

c'mon dude ... like you must have a soul, and you must know that animals feel pain, and it is wrong to inflict pain upon another living creature animal or human

it surely makes sense

 

dont get me wrong, I do believe to some extent that animal testing is necessary ... i dont agree with it, but sometimes you kinda have to do it .... but in most cases its pointless, and cruel ... and some of the tests they do are completly out of line.

 

and dont forget that they tested on a large number of animals, not just one.

You must test on a large number of animals to get a good enough sample size to know if it is safe enough for human use. ok i understand

 

answer me this

 

 

is it right to deprive a monkey of food, just so we know the symtoms of malnutrition are? ... thats f***ing wrong

 

deprive a baby monkey of its mother, just so we could see the psychological impact ? ... f*** that

 

c'mon dude ... like you must have a soul, and you must know that animals feel pain, and it is wrong to inflict pain upon another living creature animal or human No, that's obviously not right. I am not some carnivore extremist calling for all animals to be killed just for my enjoyment. I understand that animals should be treated as humane as possible but I see nothing wrong with eating meat. I also don't have a big problem with slaughterhouses. The meat processors could not turn a profit if you put a trillion regulations stating how animals are to be killed, etc.

 

My biggest problem with PETA is that they spew lies and commit crimes which is not the way to get your message across.

now we are coming to our senses ... because people like Mays660bonds are as much of idiots as an idiot could be and im sorry.

 

but ok i dont mind if you eat meat ... i dont care ... eat all you want, meat taste good i know this... but animals suffer entirely too much in that process and thats all im trying to get across, and that process is completly unethical and wrong.

 

Animal testing is wrong ... slaughterhouses are wrong ... if the killing is done in a humane way than it'll be ok, but it is not.

 

hunting is wrong

 

animal testing is wrong

 

... eat all you want, but at least eat something that was not done in a cruel manner.

this is rediculous, people are out of their minds at this point. id like to add that if you placed a mirror infront of a cow, that cow would not know its a reflection of itself, even if it knew its every gesture.

 

same goes for a goldfish, its soooooooo wrong to. poor little animal cant be set free. goldfish has an attention span of about 10 seconds. by the time it swims around its bowl, theres something new to see every time............

 

yet we give these animals rights. next thing we know, they will have lawyers too

... if the killing is done in a humane way than it'll be ok, but it is not.

thats the problem, your giving human quality value to organisms that cant aprreciate it.................

animal testing is wrong

i dont know about you, but im glad we sent a chimp into space before we did a human just in case the worst case senario turned out to be, we wouldnt have lossed a human life

... if the killing is done in a humane way than it'll be ok, but it is not.

thats the problem, your giving human quality value to organisms that cant aprreciate it................. no i am only giving a value to an organism that feels pain as me and you do.

animal testing is wrong

i dont know about you, but im glad we sent a chimp into space before we did a human just in case the worst case senario turned out to be, we wouldnt have lossed a human life woah ... we have a genius in the house.

 

 

like I said, some of it is ok ... even acceptable ... but MOST is completly wrong, c'mon dude ... do you have a pet? .... kick it around for a while and just say you are testing how much pain it can endure.