thats a little over the edge. maybe cows like it, some human can get an orgasim from stimulating the nipples...NEVER MIND

Nice discussion and we haven't even got to the environmental impact of factory farms! Perhaps the ex-pats from Venezuela and Colombia here would like to share that their homelands are becoming bare because of grazing and the amount of water needed. And funny that some countries that desperately need clean water have chicken farms that are known to contaminate local water sources.

Nice discussion and we haven't even got to the environmental impact of factory farms! Perhaps the ex-pats from Venezuela and Colombia here would like to share that their homelands are becoming bare because of grazing and the amount of water needed. And funny that some countries that desperately need clean water have chicken farms that are known to contaminate local water sources.

that has nothing to do with why and how humans should change their eating habits to being a vegetarian. people always see humans "destroying" the enviornment. the truth is, god put us on earth to live here. we as humans have the right to homes and territories as do all animals. just go ask an ants or bees if they think they are "destroying" the enviornment by building ant farms, termite mouns, bee hives and things of that nature. after all, they are constraining the growth of grass and trees and taking away the fertile land.

Actually I would think a Christian would be more willing to accept an environmental argument considering Christianity still contends that we are shepherds and protectors of the world. It isn't about man vs. beast, it's about man being given the responsibility to protect His creations, and that includes the land we all depend on.

Actually I would think a Christian would be more willing to accept an environmental argument considering Christianity still contends that we are shepherds and protectors of the world. It isn't about man vs. beast, it's about man being given the responsibility to protect His creations, and that includes the land we all depend on.

that is exactly why we farm it, the logic that too much of anything is a bad thing. your not going to destroy farm land where it is to the point of no return. that would be stupid and illogic. as for the foreign countries, those communists dont really care much about being shepperds and given the responsibility to maintain what they are given.

And in response to your "hunting is wrong" theory. Have you seen the impact starvation has on an area overpopulated with Deer? They die a horrific, painful death that has them suffering for weeks, as opposed to a split second death at the hands of a rifle. What's your reasoning for this big man? You disapprove of Animal suffering, yet you totally reject a humane way to keep them from overpopulating, and thus starving to death. I guess if nature causes the suffering, then it's all fine and dandy isnt it? NEWS FLASH no hunters go into the woods with the intention of causing pain to the deer. The object is to take a clean shot at the vital zone of their upper torso, thereby hitting the heart, and minimizing the suffering. I dont know what you or your little Cult want to believe about Hunters and Hunting, but it's clearly one sided and completely biased.

maybe giving them more of the space they deserve ... kinda like ratio per area ... maybe this earth has limits? :mischief2

 

You disapprove of Animal suffering, yet you totally reject a humane way to keep them from overpopulating

 

do you go in there in order to keep their numbers down? ... or to achive your goal of killing a living thing?

 

 

 

ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US !!!

Im enjoying this debate. lets not get it closed down due to a few ignorant posts. Come on guys, disagree all you want, but do it in an intelligent fashion.

please? ... lol, i have taken some serious abuse here

my friend you have the intelligence of a stunned root between 2 blocks of pure cement

 

... with two coats of flat white paint

no room for insults........

 

you have no idea what your talking about

My question STILL hasn't been answered.

My question STILL hasn't been answered.

neither have my questionS (thats plural)

 

i pray for those who support and follow this insanly satanic group called PETA :plain

Im enjoying this debate. lets not get it closed down due to a few ignorant posts. Come on guys, disagree all you want, but do it in an intelligent fashion.

please? ... lol, i have taken some serious abuse here None of my comments were directed at you as a person, but at PETA as an organization.

except there's one difference:? THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE

It's not a holocaust when they are killed for good reasons.? They are inferior species.? You ever heard of the food chain?? Either you eat the other animals, or you get eaten by other animals.

If god didn't want us to eat meat, he wouldn't make it taste so good.

yes they are not people, but they suffer .... they have feelings, they feel pain, they know the difference between good and bad.

 

 

you shouldnt consider yourself a human being You did NOT just say that animals know the difference between right and wrong. I know you didn't say animals know the difference between right and wrong. they dont have the ability to make a descision ... we know this, I got carried away

And in response to your "hunting is wrong" theory. Have you seen the impact starvation has on an area overpopulated with Deer? They die a horrific, painful death that has them suffering for weeks, as opposed to a split second death at the hands of a rifle. What's your reasoning for this big man? You disapprove of Animal suffering, yet you totally reject a humane way to keep them from overpopulating, and thus starving to death. I guess if nature causes the suffering, then it's all fine and dandy isnt it? NEWS FLASH no hunters go into the woods with the intention of causing pain to the deer. The object is to take a clean shot at the vital zone of their upper torso, thereby hitting the heart, and minimizing the suffering. I dont know what you or your little Cult want to believe about Hunters and Hunting, but it's clearly one sided and completely biased.

maybe giving them more of the space they deserve ... kinda like ratio per area ... maybe this earth has limits? :mischief2

 

You disapprove of Animal suffering, yet you totally reject a humane way to keep them from overpopulating

do you go in there in order to keep their numbers down? ... or to achive your goal of killing a living thing?

 

 

 

ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US !!!Actually smart guy, i go in there with the intention of saving on my grocery bill. Do you know what it's like to be poor? Guess not.

You have absolutley no right to sit there and tell me what my goals in life are. Doing so makes you a self righteous a**hole. Until now this debate had been strictly abot our differing stances on an issue, but you saw fit to take it to a personal level.

And in response to your "hunting is wrong" theory. Have you seen the impact starvation has on an area overpopulated with Deer? They die a horrific, painful death that has them suffering for weeks, as opposed to a split second death at the hands of a rifle. What's your reasoning for this big man? You disapprove of Animal suffering, yet you totally reject a humane way to keep them from overpopulating, and thus starving to death. I guess if nature causes the suffering, then it's all fine and dandy isnt it? NEWS FLASH no hunters go into the woods with the intention of causing pain to the deer. The object is to take a clean shot at the vital zone of their upper torso, thereby hitting the heart, and minimizing the suffering. I dont know what you or your little Cult want to believe about Hunters and Hunting, but it's clearly one sided and completely biased.

maybe giving them more of the space they deserve ... kinda like ratio per area ... maybe this earth has limits? :mischief2

 

You disapprove of Animal suffering, yet you totally reject a humane way to keep them from overpopulating

do you go in there in order to keep their numbers down? ... or to achive your goal of killing a living thing?

 

 

 

ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US !!!Actually smart guy, i go in there with the intention of saving on my grocery bill. Do you know what it's like to be poor? Guess not. than it takes on a different meaning ... hunting for survival is different

 

but hunting as a sport i don't approve of

 

i didnt mean to insult you or anyone in here and I apologize for that

Im enjoying this debate. lets not get it closed down due to a few ignorant posts. Come on guys, disagree all you want, but do it in an intelligent fashion.

please? ... lol, i have taken some serious abuse here None of my comments were directed at you as a person, but at PETA as an organization.

pictures speak

Im enjoying this debate. lets not get it closed down due to a few ignorant posts. Come on guys, disagree all you want, but do it in an intelligent fashion.

please? ... lol, i have taken some serious abuse here None of my comments were directed at you as a person, but at PETA as an organization.

pictures speak Ummmm, right.

and another thing:

you have to kill a dozen different organisms to make one salad

you only have to kill one organism to make a whole bunch of hamburgers

I'm glad everyone made nice-nice, but this is a strange topic in the MLB section. I don't care that it's here because it livens up this section, just try to remain civil. Thanks.

and another thing:

you have to kill a dozen different organisms to make one salad

you only have to kill one organism to make a whole bunch of hamburgers

You have no idea of the environmental impact that factory farming has. Runoff chemicals, grazing land, feeds with steroids and other stuff that may be dangerous to humans, water use, air pollution, etc. contributes to the death of local wild life, populations and consumers.

 

This just doesn't happen in the U.S. and 'those communist countrries'. Places like Colombia and Venezuela have suffered through not only the environmental impact but political corruption related to factory farming.

The similar type of manipulation exists here in the U.S. The actual cost of meat is a lot more than you pay at the grocery store, but is brought down by a lot of tax breaks. One of PETA's pet peeves is that all Americans are propping up a dangerous and morally bankrupt industry that contributes nothing good to the country. Even as a person that eats meat (sparely) I've got to agree.

Im enjoying this debate. lets not get it closed down due to a few ignorant posts. Come on guys, disagree all you want, but do it in an intelligent fashion.

please? ... lol, i have taken some serious abuse here None of my comments were directed at you as a person, but at PETA as an organization. Im not saying you have, I know you haven't ... but I just meant as in the topic all together ... not trying to pinpoint anything.

I need to add something to this discussions....

Cows aren't fed ground up bones?

They aren't hit with blunt objects to kill them?

 

I'm surprised you are so ignorant. Visit a slaughterhouse. Visit a farm. Read the bible. You'll find plenty to object to the standard practices.

Proposed methods of proper stunning and slaughter:

 

http://www.grandin.com/humane/best.practic...andle.stun.html

 

http://www.grandin.com/humane/restrain.slaughter.html

 

Note: Although she is a prof. of animal science at Colorado State, she is also best known for writing "Emergence: Labeled Autistic" and "Thinking in Pictures" and designing the "squeeze machine", which is modeled after the stunning box.

I need to add something to this discussions....

 

 

 

awesome, thanks bud :plain

why dont we start a boycott against lettuce and plants, its inhumane to pick their roots and letting them "suffocate". its torchure, poor plant cells die a very slow and painfull death. poor fruits are grinded in a blender and wheat is picked and squashed to make bread

 

 

*agrees, jumps up and gets into action*

 

 

i have started a new group: "People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants" This reminds me of a "Simpsons" episode when Lisa is sharing a jail cell with a PETA type who is a "5th-degree vegan": he doesn't eat anything that has a shadow.