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Das Texan
Das Texan
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What we have in this deal seems to be a split between this team's fans.

 

 

I am going to once again propose the two factions that we have.

 

 

One one hand we have the HOYA other wise known as Hands On Your A$$. Basically this means that the front office can do no wrong and things will eventually turn around so why bother worrying if this team is going to go about and improve cause it will eventually happen. This is the side Ramp is the strongest supporter.

 

Here are some images of HOYA:

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    Conversely, you have the other faction. The one that is lead by Das Texan. This side is called BAMA, B*tch And Moan Association. Basically BAMA, is never content unless the organization is making real moves that ensure both the short term and long term success of the organization. BAMA members do not like sitting around and waiting when moves can be made to better an organization. BAMA does not but into this we are building for the future so screw the present garbage or the entire 'bathwater' crap. And it goes on.

     

    Here are some images of BAMA:

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    comment_462

    Well, lets think in a good way... Hampton had the worst ERA on the road, what happens if he stays the same... we'd be paying the braves to flunk

     

     

    Tho I prefer to stay in BAMA cause I know this will never happen

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    Tear,

     

     

    There is a third unmentioned faction.

     

     

    Its called OTF, for On the Fence.

     

    This faction is one that is intended for the short term, but generally ends up being long term for those that are undecided between BAMA and HOYA.....

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    comment_467

    Here's my position. (I'm sure everyone's waiting breathlessly...)

     

    I was initially furious at hearing the completed deal. After all these assets and players and money changing hands, we are left with a decent reliever and a prospect? Furious isn't the word, it was more like disillusioned, disgusted, etc. The one saving point of this however is that the possibility DOES exist that Hampton will not return to his "former glory" and that he really has fallen apart, in which case we would be stuck with him. I was prepared to take that chance however, and I think that's a risk you take. As things stand now, we have managed to clear 2 suffocating player contracts, and Sampson/Beinfest have stated that they are looking for players to improve the team next season. By my calculations we should have no trouble keeping the remaining team together, while picking up a meaningful bat to help the offense. My final opinion on the deal as usual, hinges upon what happens next.

    If we don't take this 8 or 9 million & do something serious with it, then management are liars and have no plans to make any serious attempt at a playoff team. We shall see.

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    comment_468

    I am a Hoya right now, and I will a SHICM-(so happy i crap myself) if we do something with the money

     

    HOYA FOR LIFE-no not true..... i will be pissed it Lowell or Castillo are gone

     

    lets get a chat going this afternoon

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    comment_470

    I hereby declare myself part of the BAMA faction. I am sick of prospects and the rebuilding crap. We have been rebuilding since 1998 and 4 years later we still look like the Titanic at the end of every Spring Training: thinking that this ship cannot be sinked even by God, and by the end looking for a nonexistent boat to escape this sinking nightmare!

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    comment_472

    I like CBSSPORTSLINE feel that the Marlins CAN NOT be taken seriously by MLB or the FANS. They didn't do themselves any favors. OK CJ is gone.... maybe if he had a chance, he would have done better.

     

    I'd be more then happy to have him and Preston in the fantasy leagues. If it weren't for that Pitching staff, there would be very little hope of even finishing 10 under .500

     

    I was a BAMA after they traded Cliff, then I managed to get ON THE FENCE, after this I will need all the Kings Horses and all the Kings Men.

     

    David Samson might not want me as a fan........ but atleast he responded after I torched his butt the first time....still waiting on yesterdays email.

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    David Samson might not want me as a fan........ but atleast he responded after I torched his butt the first time....still waiting on yesterdays email.

     

    You too????

     

     

    At least you can email him and recieve one of his form letters....

     

     

    You cannot email anyone else in the front office, unless they have different user names for their addresses.....

     

     

    I emplored Samson to respond with a real letter this time and not a form letter...we shall see...

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    comment_474

    What is it that you are asking the front office anyway?

     

    I am at a loss as to why this would make you feel any better. Jeffrey Loria could come personally to my front door and give me the same line we always hear, why would that make any difference? You already know the answers to any questions you could possibly ask him. "We're here for the long run, we're making moves to stay competative, we're a small-market team and we have certain budget restraints we have to meet, blah blah blah blah." Why do you want personal responses that say the same things over & over? As far as I'm concerned, the only acceptable answers will come in the form of action.

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    What is it that you are asking the front office anyway?

     

    I am at a loss as to why this would make you feel any better. Jeffrey Loria could come personally to my front door and give me the same line we always hear, why would that make any difference? You already know the answers to any questions you could possibly ask him. "We're here for the long run, we're making moves to stay competative, we're a small-market team and we have certain budget restraints we have to meet, blah blah blah blah." Why do you want personal responses that say the same things over & over? As far as I'm concerned, the only acceptable answers will come in the form of action.

     

    I am just curious......

     

     

    Just would love to know what their real plan is and not to be like a politican and send back form letters...

     

     

    Of course I have gotten personalized responses every now and then...so I guess anything is possible...

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    Personally, I feel both the BAMAs and HOYAs should wait before making their final judgment on this offseason. Whether it goes in a positive or negative direction, this trade is just the first step, so what you feel is going to happen is just conjecture on your part. Thats why Im OTF right now and will wait to see where the pieces fall.

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    comment_478

    I don't think this was form, his response to my email that is attached beneath. :hat

     

     

    Dear Kevin, the Phillies & the Marlins are in two different situations

    right now. The Phillies will open a new stadium next year, and the Marlins

    are working hard to ensure our franchise's stability with various scenarios

    now in play. We are one of 4 or 5 teams rasing our payroll next year, and

    we hope to be as competitive as last year, even more. All Major League

    Baseball teams try to win, but as you know, the playing field is not always

    level. Our commitment to South Florida is strong and permanent. Have a

    great day!

     

    Regards,

     

    David Samson

     

     

     

     

    "KnD Hance"

    cc:

    Subject: Hello

    11/08/02 09:42

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    Mr. Samson,

    As a fan looking for a home, it really discourages me to see the

    dismantling of what could have been a great team with a considerable

    future. Dealing Cliff Floyd took alot of balls, he represented the

    Florida Marlins in many ways; he represented the right direction and

    was a remnant of good times.

    Do me a favor and make me a Phillies fan again, trade Mike Lowell to a

    place that his hero Mike Schmidt played and it will give me a reason

    other then Cliff to see a game in Veterans Stadium and the Phillies NEW

    stadium the year after.

    Simply put the Marlins are stepping in the wrong direction, something

    that has followed you from the Expos to Florida. For the first time I

    am seeing the Phillies make an effort to sign what it takes, maybe they

    will sell the team which will be a dream of Phillies fans.

    I always appreciate that the Marlins respond timely to questions and

    not to the "hit and send" emails that seem prepared. There are enough

    of us that recieved the same generic emails. We do compare notes. I

    think if Jeff Loria doesn't want to compete, he should leave baseball.

    Your team is obviously not trying to win. It is teams like the Marlins

    that drive fans away from the game when the sport needs fans.

    In order to sell tickets, you need something for the fans to buy. Its

    not gonna happen with the circus being run. If its about money, just

    make a circus in the stadium and more people will show up.

    I beg on the decay of baseball that the Marlins do something positive.

    God Bless,

    Kevin Hance

    Philadelphia

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