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I know theres been a couple of these already but I just wanted to put my spin on it. Salaries are according to dugoutdollars.com which has been fairly accurate from what I've seen.

 

My Marlins Offseason Plan:

 

OF:

Cabrera- 500,000

Pierre- $3.4m

Encarcion- $4.35

Aguila- 300,000

 

INF:

Conine- $4.75m

Castill0- $5.3m

Gonzalez- $3.4m

Lowell- $8m

Wilson- 300,000

Dillon- 300,000

Veteran- 500,000

 

C:

Willingham- 300,000

Treanor- 300,000

 

Rotation:

Beckett- $2.0m

Burnett- $2.75m

Willis- 400,000

Pavano- $8m

Rookie- 300,000

 

Bullpen:

Mota- $3.5

Spooneybarger- 300,000

Veteran- 1 to 1.5 mil

Perisho- 300,000

Howard- 350,000

Bump- 350,000

 

Hampton/Pudge- $10.5m

 

61 million (rounded)

 

I think we should and might be able to keep Pavano at 8 million, I wouldnt offer him anymore than that. I'm a sound believer that pitching wins and until Beckett proves he can stay healthy we need Pavano back.

 

I think Willingham should be ready this year after playing now 2 seasons full at catcher and I'm sure he will get some time at catcher in Fall leagues and Spring traing.

 

Then I would like the Marlins to acquire Jose Guillen ($3.5m) from the Angels for Juan Encarnacion and a minor prospect.

 

That would put us at 59.5 million in total.

 

Lineup:

 

CF- Pierre

2B- Castillo

LF- Cabrera

RF- Guillen

3B- Lowell

1B-Conine

C- Willingham

SS- Gonzalez

 

It would be a pretty potent lineup with the addition of Guillen a vast improvement over Encarnacion.

 

Rotation:

 

Burnett

Pavano

Becket

Willis

Kensing or some rookie

 

The rotation would once again be on of the best in the biz if they manage all to stay healthy.

 

Bullpen:

 

CL- Mota

SU- Spooney

SU- Veteran

MR- Perisho

MR- Bump

LR- Howard

 

The bullpen would be a question mark but were not in the position to spend a lot in this department, but I think Mota can be a dominant closer even with all the problems he had towards the end of the year.

 

Of course this can only happen if Loria decides to raise the payroll.

 

Let me know what you guys think.

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not bad, although I don't think there's anyway in hell the Angels would give up Guillen for Enc. Even if they are looking to get rid of Guillen they wouldn't want Enc. I think we will be able to trade Lo Duca, kind of like what we did with Lee last year and I'm hoping we'll get some team to include Enc in that deal.

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not bad, although I don't think there's anyway in hell the Angels would give up Guillen for Enc. Even if they are looking to get rid of Guillen they wouldn't want Enc. I think we will be able to trade Lo Duca, kind of like what we did with Lee last year and I'm hoping we'll get some team to include Enc in that deal.

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Good point I forgot LoDuca was going for arbtration. We probably could get something good for him maybe a nice cheap arm for the pen or another hitter.

 

I think with Guillens problems and almost the same salary the Angels would be willing to take *RBI MAN* Encarnacion and a minor prospect for Guillen.

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Here are a few updates for you on salary for next year:

 

Cabrera- $340K - the team is not obligated to give him a big pay raise

Pierre- $2.5 - final year of his contract

Conine- $3.0m - revised contract when he signed last year

Castillo- $4.5m in 2005

Lowell- $7.5m in 2005

Beckett- $1.5m - probably gets another pay cut like last year

Mota- $2.5

 

Hampton/Pudge- $10.5m = don't forget the $2.5m payment from the Rockies

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PBMarlin,

 

Part of what Conine was owed in 2003 and 2004 had been moved to 2005 in the revised contract.

Castillo is due $5.33 once you stretch the signing bonus out over the course of the contract.

Pierre signed a 4-year $7.5M contract back when he was with the Rockies. He made under a million in 2002 and 2003, $1.9 in 2004 and is now due $3.4M for 2005. The contract has many incentive bonuses, his contract jumped from 1.9 to 2.3M in 2004 because of them.

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Here are a few updates for you on salary for next year:

 

Cabrera- $340K - the team is not obligated to give him a big pay raise

Pierre- $2.5 - final year of his contract

Conine- $3.0m - revised contract when he signed last year

Castillo- $4.5m in 2005

Lowell- $7.5m in 2005

Beckett- $1.5m - probably gets another pay cut like last year

Mota- $2.5

 

Hampton/Pudge- $10.5m = don't forget the $2.5m payment from the Rockies

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Thanks

 

The only I think I seriously messed up which effected my final projection was the 2.5 million I forgot to take off from Hampton/Pudge.

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No thanks. I don't want to lose Lo Duca. Willingham didn't impress me at all in his limited action and I've seen enough good minor league hitters that couldn't do jack in the majors.

 

Lo Duca's combination of O/D/leadership is worth much, much more the amount he'll likely get in arbitration. We probably could sign Lo Duca/Paul Wilson for the amount Pavano likely will be offered. I'll take that any day over Pavano/Willingham.

 

After watching our O play like garbage most of the year, I have no desire to lose our third or fourth best offensive player and end up with the same crap production from non-MLB quality players. I have a feeling Castro still has more hitting talent than Willingham, but that is just my opinion.

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No thanks. I don't want to lose Lo Duca. Willingham didn't impress me at all in his limited action and I've seen enough good minor league hitters that couldn't do jack in the majors.

 

Lo Duca's combination of O/D/leadership is worth much, much more the amount he'll likely get in arbitration. We probably could sign Lo Duca/Paul Wilson for the amount Pavano likely will be offered. I'll take that any day over Pavano/Willingham.

 

After watching our O play like garbage most of the year, I have no desire to lose our third or fourth best offensive player and end up with the same crap production from non-MLB quality players. I have a feeling Castro still has more hitting talent than Willingham, but that is just my opinion.

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Starting Pitching wins in this league and without Beckett having a healthy year in his career yet you cant count on him. Thats why Pavano should be the first priority over LoDuca or Benetiz.

 

LoDuca hit .259 with a .694OPS with the Marlins. Intangiables are not worth 6 million.

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No thanks.? I don't want to lose Lo Duca.? Willingham didn't impress me at all in his limited action and I've seen enough good minor league hitters that couldn't do jack in the majors.?

 

Lo Duca's combination of O/D/leadership is worth much, much more the amount he'll likely get in arbitration.? We probably could sign Lo Duca/Paul Wilson for the amount Pavano likely will be offered.? I'll take that any day over Pavano/Willingham.

 

After watching our O play like garbage most of the year, I have no desire to lose our third or fourth best offensive player and end up with the same crap production from non-MLB quality players.? I have a feeling Castro still has more hitting talent than Willingham, but that is just my opinion.

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Starting Pitching wins in this league and without Beckett having a healthy year in his career yet you cant count on him.

 

LoDuca hit .259 with a .694OPS with the Marlins. Intangiables are not worth 6 million.

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but it was during his 2nd half slump, which lowell had. If Duca can stop his slumps, then we'll be aight.

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We cannot afford to loose Duca, Pavano...maybe. But Duca is a team player and a great leader. I believe if we keep duca and benitez and loose pavvy, it may not sting as much...

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Closers can be replaced.

 

And I will repeat a great leader is not worth 6 million.

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We cannot afford to loose Duca, Pavano...maybe. But Duca is a team player and a great leader. I believe if we keep duca and benitez and loose pavvy, it may not sting as much...

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Closers can be replaced.

 

And I will repeat a great leader is not worth 6 million.

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A great leader that is in the top 5 at his position is.

 

Pavano will be offered over $10 mil a year by George once the Red Sox make the WS. After reading his comments, it is better to move on. He had one great year in his entire career. The guy isn't Roger Clemens. :shifty

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We cannot afford to loose Duca, Pavano...maybe. But Duca is a team player and a great leader. I believe if we keep duca and benitez and loose pavvy, it may not sting as much...

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Closers can be replaced.

 

And I will repeat a great leader is not worth 6 million.

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A great leader that is in the top 5 at his position is.

 

Pavano will be offered over $10 mil a year by George once the Red Sox make the WS. After reading his comments, it is better to move on. He had one great year in his entire career. The guy isn't Roger Clemens. :shifty

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I'll wait till he is offered 10 million before I change my mind on him. Until then the clubs priority should be Pavano.

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We cannot afford to loose Duca, Pavano...maybe. But Duca is a team player and a great leader. I believe if we keep duca and benitez and loose pavvy, it may not sting as much...

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Closers can be replaced.

 

And I will repeat a great leader is not worth 6 million.

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A great leader that is in the top 5 at his position is.

 

Pavano will be offered over $10 mil a year by George once the Red Sox make the WS. After reading his comments, it is better to move on. He had one great year in his entire career. The guy isn't Roger Clemens. :shifty

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I'll wait till he is offered 10 million before I change my mind on him. Until then the clubs priority should be Pavano.

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Outside of Pedro, he may be the "hottest" FA pitcher and grew up a Yankees fan. I don't expect him back. The guy had ONE good year and some people are acting like he's Roger Clemens. He was in the bullpen most of the time when we won the WS last year. I'm just not sold on him. I think he'll come back to Earth soon. He reminds me of our version of Lowe.

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We cannot afford to loose Duca, Pavano...maybe. But Duca is a team player and a great leader. I believe if we keep duca and benitez and loose pavvy, it may not sting as much...

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Closers can be replaced.

 

And I will repeat a great leader is not worth 6 million.

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A great leader that is in the top 5 at his position is.

 

Pavano will be offered over $10 mil a year by George once the Red Sox make the WS. After reading his comments, it is better to move on. He had one great year in his entire career. The guy isn't Roger Clemens. :shifty

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top 5 at his position? :lol

 

I'd take any of these guys over Lo Duca. Estrada, Leiberthal, CJ, Kendall, Piazza, Hernandez, Barrett, Victor Martinez, Varitek, Javy Lopez, Posada, and Pudge.

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We cannot afford to loose Duca, Pavano...maybe. But Duca is a team player and a great leader. I believe if we keep duca and benitez and loose pavvy, it may not sting as much...

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Closers can be replaced.

 

And I will repeat a great leader is not worth 6 million.

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A great leader that is in the top 5 at his position is.

 

Pavano will be offered over $10 mil a year by George once the Red Sox make the WS. After reading his comments, it is better to move on. He had one great year in his entire career. The guy isn't Roger Clemens. :shifty

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top 5 at his position? :lol

 

I'd take any of these guys over Lo Duca. Estrada, Leiberthal, CJ, Kendall, Piazza, Hernandez, Barrett, Victor Martinez, Varitek, Javy Lopez, Posada, and Pudge.

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Piazza can't catch and appears to be breaking down. I think he is considered a first baseman now.

 

Kendall/Varitek/Lopez/Posada/Pudge are the only proven catchers on Lo Duca's level, IMO. I'm not sold on some of the younger guys until they do it for a couple years. CJ sucks.

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We cannot afford to loose Duca, Pavano...maybe. But Duca is a team player and a great leader. I believe if we keep duca and benitez and loose pavvy, it may not sting as much...

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Closers can be replaced.

 

And I will repeat a great leader is not worth 6 million.

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A great leader that is in the top 5 at his position is.

 

Pavano will be offered over $10 mil a year by George once the Red Sox make the WS. After reading his comments, it is better to move on. He had one great year in his entire career. The guy isn't Roger Clemens. :shifty

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top 5 at his position? :lol

 

I'd take any of these guys over Lo Duca. Estrada, Leiberthal, CJ, Kendall, Piazza, Hernandez, Barrett, Victor Martinez, Varitek, Javy Lopez, Posada, and Pudge.

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Piazza can't catch and appears to be breaking down. I think he is considered a first baseman now.

 

Kendall/Varitek/Lopez/Posada/Pudge are the only proven catchers on Lo Duca's level, IMO. I'm not sold on some of the younger guys until they do it for a couple years. CJ sucks.

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:lol Those five are the "top five" then, and I don't see Lo Duca in it - sorry.

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Okay, I'll retract my top 5 statement and say he is clearly in the top 8, IMO. It is much easier to replace Pavano's production at the price he'll demand than it is a solid catcher that can hit over .300, IMO. Losing Pudge to replace him with all the "great" catching prospects mentioned in this thread sure worked out well for us this year. :shifty

 

I have no desire to go through that again if Lo Duca costs 5-6 million this year. I personally think we could get him for 4 years for around $20 million or perhaps less.

 

Hell, we could probably sign Millwood for what some of you want to offer Pavano. I'll take Millwood over Pavano. Get him out of that s***hole Philly and he'll prosper for us like Armando did this year. We'll see if Pavano can hold up in New York.

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problem is that Lo Duca could get $7mil in arbitration... maybe even 8

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I can't imagine him getting anywhere near that. Didn't Gagne only get like 6 million or so last year??? If he comands that much, get rid of him and Pavano. Use the money to sign JD Drew and one of Paul Wilson/Matt Clement.

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problem is that Lo Duca could get $7mil in arbitration... maybe even 8

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I can't imagine him getting anywhere near that. Didn't Gagne only get like 6 million or so last year??? If he comands that much, get rid of him and Pavano. Use the money to sign JD Drew and one of Paul Wilson/Matt Clement.

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with JD's year he could get a multi year deal of $8mil per(just guessing)

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