The AP poll has pulled out of the formula according to Boston Globe!

 

 

Just saw it on ESPNEWS!

The end? No, it just got better. There is no need to have the media in it.

 

Just have the coaches, the computers, and the records.

Well they had some expert on that said it cant go on without 2 polls.

Isnt the AP, the coaches poll?

um no...the Associated PRESS is the Media poll

the Coaches Poll is the ESPN/USA Today/Coaches Poll....so it's coaches, USA Today, and ESPN....I assume more than just the coaches vote in that poll, so the media will still have an influence even without the AP poll.

good destroy the bcs.

 

 

its crap anyway. and always has been.

Why did they pull out? Now they're essentially irrelevant.

They are out of the equation, but isn't the whole thing just decided by some committiee now? I am sure the committiee will take the AP polls into consideration anyway. The AP just can say "Its now our fault".

Why did they pull out? Now they're essentially irrelevant.

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largely due to what happened last year with usc and now this year with cal.

they arent irrelevant....they can claim their National Champion just like the BCS can. The BCS is not the authority. There really is never a true National Champion (for there to be a champion, a tournament or playoff must be instilled...that's why some may have heard it called the "mythical National Champion"). Any poll can claim a National Champion. In 1984, the Gators were the NC according to the NY Times. The AP can claim their NC just like the BCS. Frankly, I might even give more respect to a poll than to a bunch of computers. There will never be a true national champion until there is a playoff. That is a national champion by definition.

Unless only one team remains undefeated that was highly ranked such as Ohio State in 2002.

it's still a mythical NC because it is based on voting. It's obvious that OSU deserved it, but technically it is not a NC because it is not finished in a playoff. Although, one could make the argument that if Miami and OSU were the only undefeated teams, and they played each other, then it was a playoff of sorts...and OSU would then be considered the National Champion. But that's stretching it.

 

Oh well...in the meantime, the SEARS Trophy goes to the MNC.

um no...the Associated PRESS is the Media poll

the Coaches Poll is the ESPN/USA Today/Coaches Poll....so it's coaches, USA Today, and ESPN....I assume more than just the coaches vote in that poll, so the media will still have an influence even without the AP poll.

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no, the coaches vote, but it is sponsored by ESPN and USA today

good....the more I thought about it, the more I was afraid that the Coaches Poll had been tainted by ink jockeys.

they just need to go back to the old system.

they just need to go back to the old system.

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Great so you'd have USC in the Rose, Auburn in the Sugar and Oklahoma in the Fiesta. If all three won what would you get then? At least this way you get 1 champion.

no they need a playoff....like every level of football and every level of every other team sport.

 

High school football: playoff

NAIA football: playoff

NCAA D-III football: playoff

NCAA D-II football: playoff

NCAA D-1AA football: playoff

NCAA D-1A football: effed up system

Arena Football League: playoff

National Football League: playoff

All levels of NCAA basketball: playoff

NBA: playoff

All levels of NCAA baseball: playoff

MLB: playoff

All levels of NCAA hockey: playoff

NHL: playoff

 

yah, there's something wrong...no other sport or level of football has to argue over who the champion is.

The ESPN/USA Today Coaches poll is a bunch of crap.

I heard that for last season guys like Urban Meyer, Ty Willingham and Ron Zook didn't have votes in the coaches poll.

So who the hell are the coaches that are voting if those 3 teams didn't get to vote?

theres some sort of rule about coaching experience. I dont know the specifics, but it's something like a coach must have 3 years of head coaching experience before he can vote (which is why Zook couldn't). Maybe it's more years, or something I don't know.

 

In theory, the coaches poll is great....who knows football better than the coaches? No one. Unfortunately, the coaches only know the teams they play. There's no way Bobby Bowden can vote correctly on Boise State and Utah, because he hasnt seen them play (maybe he saw Utah on game film)...he's trying to win games, he can't concentrate on putting together an accurate vote for the polls.

But coaches can be biased. If Miami and Fsu each have a loss, which team do you think a Bowden would vote ahead of the other each time?

But who would Coacker vote ahead?

But coaches can be biased. If Miami and Fsu each have a loss, which team do you think a Bowden would vote ahead of the other each time?

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yet another problem with coaches voting.

 

It's tough for a coach to leave his bias out of the picture.

 

It's also tough for a coach to get a good look at all the teams (they're busy concentrating on their own season).

 

too many problems....that's why coaches and media polls should both be used (along with some computer polls, strength of schedule, etc.) in a SELECTION COMMITTEE into a 16 TEAM PLAYOFF.

theres some sort of rule about coaching experience. I dont know the specifics, but it's something like a coach must have 3 years of head coaching experience before he can vote (which is why Zook couldn't). Maybe it's more years, or something I don't know.

 

In theory, the coaches poll is great....who knows football better than the coaches? No one. Unfortunately, the coaches only know the teams they play. There's no way Bobby Bowden can vote correctly on Boise State and Utah, because he hasnt seen them play (maybe he saw Utah on game film)...he's trying to win games, he can't concentrate on putting together an accurate vote for the polls.

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If it's such a great system, coaches voting, why does Texas on a bye jump to 4 and Cal after a W drops a few spots mysteriously the day before the final BCS standings are supposed to come out?

who said it was a great system? Everyone: READ MY WHOLE POST!

 

I said it was a great system in THEORY because the people that understand the game of football best are the coaches. Then I proceed to explain WHY IT IS NOT A GREAT SYSTEM.

 

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good....the more I thought about it, the more I was afraid that the Coaches Poll had been tainted by ink jockeys.

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I was more of referring to that. I'd prefer AP writers voting over coaches, since they have 0 connection to teams as far as being conference buddies and such go. Plus their votes are public, unlike the coaches.