February 26, 200521 yr Coaches do this stuff. Or it is understood. Its not like he said "go break his arm". I've had plenty of coaches in my life that had players go out and send messages. Earlier this year in a game against FAU our coach sent players out to knock one guy around, it took about 5 minutes before he was taken out of the game with a broken nose.
February 26, 200521 yr Author Coaches do this stuff.? Or it is understood. Its not like he said "go break his arm".? I've had plenty of coaches in my life that had players go out and send messages.? Earlier this year in a game against FAU our coach sent players out to knock one guy around, it took about 5 minutes before he was taken out of the game with a broken nose. 695617[/snapback] there's a difference between a coach sending a guy out to knock other players around, it's another thing where the coach sends a guy out just to injure the players on the other team. It's not like this was an isolated incident.
February 26, 200521 yr Coaches do this stuff. Or it is understood. Its not like he said "go break his arm". I've had plenty of coaches in my life that had players go out and send messages. Earlier this year in a game against FAU our coach sent players out to knock one guy around, it took about 5 minutes before he was taken out of the game with a broken nose. 695617[/snapback] there's a difference between a coach sending a guy out to knock other players around, it's another thing where the coach sends a guy out just to injure the players on the other team. 695618[/snapback] chaney either: a) ordered his 'goon' to play rough and knock the other guys around, or b) ordered his 'goon' to physically injure the other players. step back and look at it objectively. do you honestly believe he did B rather than A? think about it for a second.
February 26, 200521 yr Coaches do this stuff. Or it is understood. Its not like he said "go break his arm". I've had plenty of coaches in my life that had players go out and send messages. Earlier this year in a game against FAU our coach sent players out to knock one guy around, it took about 5 minutes before he was taken out of the game with a broken nose. 695617[/snapback] there's a difference between a coach sending a guy out to knock other players around, it's another thing where the coach sends a guy out just to injure the players on the other team. 695618[/snapback] chaney either: a) ordered his 'goon' to play rough and knock the other guys around, or b) ordered his 'goon' to physically injure the other players. step back and look at it objectively. do you honestly believe he did B rather than A? think about it for a second. 695620[/snapback] If you tell a kid "go throw some elbows, let them know they had a game tonight" or whatever the case, is open to interpretation. Plus, the "goon" fouled out in like 5 minutes. So he had 4 other fouls, and he only broke 1 arm. So if his plan was to "injure somebody" he was hitting at a .200 average. If he wanted to injure someone he could have gotten two technicals real quick. He was sent out there to bruise some guys up, I doubt to go break arms. I think Chaney should be suspended, but what he got is fine. This stuff happens, in all sports. I just have a hard time that the "goon" would intentionally go out there to break an arm of some guy just because his coach said so, no matter how bad he wants floor time.
February 26, 200521 yr I think he should retire. At the very least, he should be suspended for the rest of this season. But if I were in charge of the A-10 or whatever, I'd make sure he couldn't coach in my league again. I can't believe how many people are excusing this as something that's just part of sports. I think in the pros, where enourmous amounts of money is at stake for everyone, and winning is just about the only thing, you have a case to be made. But when you're coaching kids, of whatever age, its a different story. And for all of you who were told to do these things when playing sports, all those coaches don't belong coaching kids, either. Maybe he didn't want to break an arm, but he clearly had the intention to cause pain and injury to KIDS on the other team, as a form of revenge for perceived fouls that weren't being called. Someone who does something like that has lost perspective on what his job is about, what his sport is about, about his role in these kids lives, and doesn't possess the temperament needed to be a coach in amateur athletics.
February 26, 200521 yr If you tell a kid "go throw some elbows, let them know they had a game tonight" or whatever the case, is open to interpretation. Plus, the "goon" fouled out in like 5 minutes. So he had 4 other fouls, and he only broke 1 arm. So if his plan was to "injure somebody" he was hitting at a .200 average. If he wanted to injure someone he could have gotten two technicals real quick. He was sent out there to bruise some guys up, I doubt to go break arms. I think Chaney should be suspended, but what he got is fine. This stuff happens, in all sports. I just have a hard time that the "goon" would intentionally go out there to break an arm of some guy just because his coach said so, no matter how bad he wants floor time. 695624[/snapback] It's pretty hard to go out there and try to break limbs, within the context of a basketball game and without getting tossed out on your first try. He was sent out there with the sole intention of roughing up the kids on the other team, and when you go out there to cause pain and injury, these are the kinds of things that can happen. It was unlikely and unfortunate that someone broke an arm, but that's what happened because of what Chaney did.
February 26, 200521 yr Should have got the rest of the season and postseason play, that was just awful. But at the same time, anything more than that would be too much.
March 1, 200521 yr If this was baseball, no one would be complaining and it would just be part of the game. In fact, people would be clamoring about why it doesn't happen anymore and baseball isn't the same game it used to be, it's too messy now and there's no discipline. In hockey (R.I.P.), there is an enforcer that takes care of these things. Enforcers don't go up and ask nicely if players will stop hooking or playing dirty. They throw people into walls and glass and everyone cheers as part of the game and how chivalrous it is for the Enforcer to protect his fellow players. Just some food for thought.
March 1, 200521 yr If Roger Clemens(or any pitcher), the day before his start, said he would smoke some guy in his head if he got angry and then does it... you know there would be plenty of complaints
March 1, 200521 yr If this was baseball, no one would be complaining and it would just be part of the game. In fact, people would be clamoring about why it doesn't happen anymore and baseball isn't the same game it used to be, it's too messy now and there's no discipline. In hockey (R.I.P.), there is an enforcer that takes care of these things. Enforcers don't go up and ask nicely if players will stop hooking or playing dirty. They throw people into walls and glass and everyone cheers as part of the game and how chivalrous it is for the Enforcer to protect his fellow players. Just some food for thought. 697781[/snapback] Yeah, great...we're talking about college basketball here... It's a game that primarily involves kids aged between 18 and 22. Some of you claim this is okay because it's done all the time in other professional sports. Let me ask you, would this be alright if it were done in pee wee basketball? You know, with 8 year olds? Where do you draw the line? And even if you think this kind of thing is perfectly alright in pro basketball, what group would say college athletes have more in common with? The pros or the pee wees? I know the ideal of the college athlete is really just a myth these days, but still...if I have to group them, I'm putting them with the pee wees.
March 1, 200521 yr If Roger Clemens(or any pitcher), the day before his start, said he would smoke some guy in his head if he got angry and then does it... you know there would be plenty of complaints There would be just as many cheers, if not more. Yeah, great...we're talking about college basketball here... It's a game that primarily involves kids aged between 18 and 22. Some of you claim this is okay because it's done all the time in other professional sports. Let me ask you, would this be alright if it were done in pee wee basketball? You know, with 8 year olds? Where do you draw the line? And even if you think this kind of thing is perfectly alright in pro basketball, what group would say college athletes have more in common with? The pros or the pee wees? I know the ideal of the college athlete is really just a myth these days, but still...if I have to group them, I'm putting them with the pee wees. The same rules don't apply letter for letter to college sports, I agree. But you have to remember, some of these kids aren't exactly kids anymore. They have alot more fire than their professional counterparts do, and in return take alot more pride in the game itself than the exterior aspects of it. Besides, he wasn't sent in there with the clear intent to harm the kid, just push him around. How many times has anyone here been brushed back by a pitch even in the most trivial of games just to prove a point? If anything one could argue that ethics are taken more seriously outside of the professional game because there is so much money at stake there and not elsewhere, and college sports being the highest level of amateurism becomes the manifestation of that.
March 1, 200521 yr Juanky, did you even see the highlights of what this kid was doing? he was trying to hurt people
March 1, 200521 yr If Roger Clemens(or any pitcher), the day before his start, said he would smoke some guy in his head if he got angry and then does it... you know there would be plenty of complaints There would be just as many cheers, if not more. Yeah, great...we're talking about college basketball here... It's a game that primarily involves kids aged between 18 and 22. Some of you claim this is okay because it's done all the time in other professional sports.? Let me ask you, would this be alright if it were done in pee wee basketball?? You know, with 8 year olds? Where do you draw the line?? And even if you think this kind of thing is perfectly alright in pro basketball, what group would say college athletes have more in common with?? The pros or the pee wees?? I know the ideal of the college athlete is really just a myth these days, but still...if I have to group them, I'm putting them with the pee wees. The same rules don't apply letter for letter to college sports, I agree. But you have to remember, some of these kids aren't exactly kids anymore. They have alot more fire than their professional counterparts do, and in return take alot more pride in the game itself than the exterior aspects of it. Besides, he wasn't sent in there with the clear intent to harm the kid, just push him around. How many times has anyone here been brushed back by a pitch even in the most trivial of games just to prove a point? If anything one could argue that ethics are taken more seriously outside of the professional game because there is so much money at stake there and not elsewhere, and college sports being the highest level of amateurism becomes the manifestation of that. 697879[/snapback] Well, I agree with most of what you said...about the ethical thing, that's mostly what I've been arguing. In the pros, winning and money and all that tend to take precedence, and most of the time, that's completely acceptable. But in college...the game is supposed to be about more than just winning, and ethics certainly plays a role in that. I mean college athletics are SUPPOSED to be enriching and educational. You're not doing a good job enriching and teaching when you're turning kids into goons. The one thing I do disagree with is when you said Chaney didn't intend to harm the other team's players. Chaney, as we've found out now, is extremely temperamental. He was angry and he wanted revenge. Did he want to break limbs or worse? Who knows? I'm sure he didn't really think about in those terms. But I believe he wanted to cause them pain...otherwise what was the point? And, yeah, pain is part of sports...but not like this.
March 1, 200521 yr Juanky, did you even see the highlights of what this kid was doing? he was trying to hurt people 697889[/snapback] No, I'm taking the word that Chaney told him to throw his weight around, not that he told him go break people's arms. Since when does a coach tell someone to hurt somebody else? If he intentionally told him "hurt one of their players", then sure, suspend him or fire him or whatever. But I don't think he did that. If he sends a player in, and the player takes it under his own imperative to start busting heads, that's the player's fault now isn't it? And has this player been suspended or something?
March 1, 200521 yr Ingram was told to "foul hard".... anyway I dont think he has been suspended, but St Joe's is asking for him to be
March 1, 200521 yr Listen...I condone his actions but no one is complaining about the hard fouls that St. Joe's committed on Temple...the elbows they threw on their illegal screens, the fast break where a St. Joe's guy tackled Mardy Collins and didnt get a call...I blame a lot of this on the refs for not taking control. Most people hate John Chaney so i don't doubt the vile hatred bein spewed here.
March 1, 200521 yr Listen...I condone his actions but no one is complaining about the hard fouls that St. Joe's committed on Temple...the elbows they threw on their illegal screens, the fast break where a St. Joe's guy tackled Mardy Collins and didnt get a call...I blame a lot of this on the refs for not taking control. Most people hate John Chaney so i don't doubt the vile hatred bein spewed here. 697931[/snapback] You do realize condone means you approve right? Just making sure.
March 1, 200521 yr he should definitely be fired. it was premeditated and it could have ended up being much more serious. Bryant could have broken his neck. this is basketball not hockey. there aren't "goons" in basketball. This isn't the first time Chaney has been out of line in his actions either. The goon should be suspended for the rest of the season too.
March 1, 200521 yr Listen...I condone his actions but no one is complaining about the hard fouls that St. Joe's committed on Temple...the elbows they threw on their illegal screens, the fast break where a St. Joe's guy tackled Mardy Collins and didnt get a call...I blame a lot of this on the refs for not taking control. Most people hate John Chaney so i don't doubt the vile hatred bein spewed here. 697931[/snapback] by the way, nice fans you got up there in Temple spitting on Brown when he was on the ground and booing him when he got up a piece from Jay Bilas Whether John Chaney is suspended and for how long as a result of his actions in the Temple-Saint Joseph's game matters little to me. The important thing to me is an acknowledgment across the college basketball landscape that Chaney crossed the line. It is unacceptable to instruct a player to intentionally foul to the point that players are in physical danger and raise the temperature of a sporting event to a level at which it was foreseeable that someone could get injured. If Chaney had an issue with the officials, he needed to take it up with them or take it to the conference office. What Chaney did might not have been "illegal" under the rules, but it certainly wasn't right. Even if a player had not been injured, it still wasn't right. Several coaches have come close to the line this year, and in years past, and little has come of it. Coaches and players need to adhere to ethics and sportsmanship, and Chaney did neither. There is more to the game than winning. There is competing with honor and respect. Chaney, a good man and a good coach, behaved in a manner that was disrespectful to the game and to his opponent. His job is not just to win, it is to win the right way.
March 1, 200521 yr Listen...I condone his actions but no one is complaining about the hard fouls that St. Joe's committed on Temple...the elbows they threw on their illegal screens, the fast break where a St. Joe's guy tackled Mardy Collins and didnt get a call...I blame a lot of this on the refs for not taking control. Most people John Chaney so i don't doubt the vile hatred bein spewed here. 697931[/snapback] by the way, nice fans you got up there in Temple spitting on Brown when he was on the ground and booing him when he got up a piece from Jay Bilas Whether John Chaney is suspended and for how long as a result of his actions in the Temple-Saint Joseph's game matters little to me. The important thing to me is an acknowledgment across the college basketball landscape that Chaney crossed the line. It is unacceptable to instruct a player to intentionally foul to the point that players are in physical danger and raise the temperature of a sporting event to a level at which it was foreseeable that someone could get injured. If Chaney had an issue with the officials, he needed to take it up with them or take it to the conference office. What Chaney did might not have been "illegal" under the rules, but it certainly wasn't right. Even if a player had not been injured, it still wasn't right. Several coaches have come close to the line this year, and in years past, and little has come of it. Coaches and players need to adhere to ethics and sportsmanship, and Chaney did neither. There is more to the game than winning. There is competing with honor and respect. Chaney, a good man and a good coach, behaved in a manner that was disrespectful to the game and to his opponent. His job is not just to win, it is to win the right way. 697955[/snapback] It would have been funny if Bilas would have mentioned Coach K there but I couldn't expect that from the dookie. In the dook-wake game K came close to that line if not crossed it by putting Patrick Davidson out there to rough up Chris Paul and do nothing but pick up fouls and try to draw cheap fouls on Paul. Davidson never plays but in that game he started and it wasn't senior night or anything. It was hilarious to see Davidson when he came out of the game. He was out of control. Looked like he was having a seizure as he ran to the bench hugged K and practically head-butted Asst. Coach Johnny Dawkins. You gotta figure that he takes it in the ass.
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