Should Hillary run in 08?

[Flying_Mollusk]

Lets keep this one civil.

 

My opinion, as Ive stated before, is that Id prefer if she didnt run because 1)I dont think this country is ready for a women president and 2)Hillary is a polarizing figure.

 

That said, its clear Hillary is trying to develop the image of social conservatism(or least not liberal) and military hawk. Now my opinion is that if it works, Ill be convinced that the American people can easily be swayed by political maneuvering. (though Im pretty convinced already).

 

Now instead of those saying Hillary is a liberal freak, lets hear as to why she would not win or why she would be a bad president, legit reasons.

 

btw, recent poll had 53% of people saying they would like to see her run, whatever that means.

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

I dont think Hilary is all that liberal. She is definatly more to the center than most in her party. Id like to see Hillary run in '08. She may even win it. It would be more interesting who the Republicans would choose to run against Hillary. I as a registered Democrat would vote for Hillary in a primary if were held today.

[Guest Fritz]

Lets keep this one civil.

 

My opinion, as Ive stated before, is that Id prefer if she didnt run because 1)I dont think this country is ready for a women president and 2)Hillary is a polarizing figure.

 

That said, its clear Hillary is trying to develop the image of social conservatism(or least not liberal) and military hawk. Now my opinion is that if it works, Ill be convinced that the American people can easily be swayed by political maneuvering. (though Im pretty convinced already).

 

Now instead of those saying Hillary is a liberal freak, lets hear as to why she would not win or why she would be a bad president, legit reasons.

 

btw, recent poll had 53% of people saying they would like to see her run, whatever that means.

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95% of that 53% is Republicans so they can absolutely destroy her with basically anyone.

[Hotcorner]

I think we'll elect a black president before a woman is elected. I have no idea what that means, but there it is.

 

Hillary's such a polarizing figure, a lot of people on the left admire her, and she's definitely done some things to appear more moderate, I'm just not sure whether any of the people who loath her will come around. And that includes some people on the left as well as the right.

 

I do think she'd handle herself better in a campaign than the last two guys. She's become a pretty savvy politician. So I don't think she'd be the worst choice.... however I still hope the Dems can come up with someone better.

[Dodge]

Lets keep this one civil.

 

My opinion, as Ive stated before, is that Id prefer if she didnt run because 1)I dont think this country is ready for a women president and 2)Hillary is a polarizing figure.

 

That said, its clear Hillary is trying to develop the image of social conservatism(or least not liberal) and military hawk. Now my opinion is that if it works, Ill be convinced that the American people can easily be swayed by political maneuvering. (though Im pretty convinced already).

 

Now instead of those saying Hillary is a liberal freak, lets hear as to why she would not win or why she would be a bad president, legit reasons.

 

btw, recent poll had 53% of people saying they would like to see her run, whatever that means.

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95% of that 53% is Republicans so they can absolutely destroy her with basically anyone.

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I wouldn't sell her so short.

[PhishPhan]

...recent poll had 53% of people saying they would like to see her run, whatever that means.

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Did they poll all people or just Dems? You know, the Republicans might want her to run figuiring it would be an automatic loss. And if they only picked Dems, the democrats are looking at the fact there is no one else that sticks out at the current time. Obama? Please.

 

Hillary, meh. I'd have to seriously consider the other Bush first, if he decides to run even though he said he won't.

 

I have always believed the first woman/minority veep or president will be republican. Just because democrats get the minority/women vote already, they will more than likely lose votes, or just have a big backlash of mobolizing the southern votes for Republicans all the more if they run a minority or woman. Republicans would have a chance to gain votes over from moderate Dems.

[PhishPhan]

Plus if memory serves me right....

 

She'll get about this much of the old fogey jewish vote: 0%

[Flying_Mollusk]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

[Dodge]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

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He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

[Flying_Mollusk]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

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He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

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I thought he was really popular in VA. Isnt his approval rating really high?

[PhishPhan]

AOL has a poll up asking who should run for which ticket:

 

The choices

 

Democrats: John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden

Republicans: Connie, John McCain, Rudy Gulliani, Good ol' Jeb, Newt Ginrich

 

Awesome choices I know. :plain

[Flying_Mollusk]

Frist is definatley gunning for the Republicans. I think McCain will be too old but you never know.

[Dodge]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

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He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

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I thought he was really popular in VA. Isnt his approval rating really high?

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I don't know about his numbers but I have heard nothing but discontent with his first term.

[Flying_Mollusk]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

710599[/snapback]

 

He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

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I thought he was really popular in VA. Isnt his approval rating really high?

710602[/snapback]

 

I don't know about his numbers but I have heard nothing but discontent with his first term.

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You sure thats not from the folks youve talked to? My buddies arent big fans of Bush either. :whistle

[Das Texan]

i dont want hillary running.

 

 

 

she would never win and that would just put the republicans in office for 4 more years.

 

 

she has gotten a lot better recently, but her reputation nationally still precedes her.

 

 

she would get destroyed in a national election.

[Dodge]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

710599[/snapback]

 

He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

710600[/snapback]

I thought he was really popular in VA. Isnt his approval rating really high?

710602[/snapback]

 

I don't know about his numbers but I have heard nothing but discontent with his first term.

710623[/snapback]

 

You sure thats not from the folks youve talked to? My buddies arent big fans of Bush either. :whistle

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I don't have Republican friends around here, and I'm not even that Republican anyway.

[Flying_Mollusk]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

710599[/snapback]

 

He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

710600[/snapback]

I thought he was really popular in VA. Isnt his approval rating really high?

710602[/snapback]

 

I don't know about his numbers but I have heard nothing but discontent with his first term.

710623[/snapback]

 

You sure thats not from the folks youve talked to? My buddies arent big fans of Bush either. :whistle

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I don't have Republican friends around here, and I'm not even that Republican anyway.

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Not necessarily Republican but certainly of similiar values? A big part of why I say that is because I know Virginia is a state made of two different sections. Northern Virginia and teh rest of the state are pretty dissimiliar arent they? Warner is pretty popular in the northern Virginia area and maybe be mediocre in the rest of the state leaving him with a solid foundation for reelection. I know you are from the southern part of the state right?

[Guest markotsay7]

btw, recent poll had 53% of people saying they would like to see her run, whatever that means.

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53% who would like to see her run is low IMO. I'm a Republican and I'd like to see her run, because I think she'd be easier to beat that almost anyone else the Democrats could throw out there, assuming the Republicans don't do something stupid and go with a Bob Dole-like guy.

 

Personally I'd s*** my pants if it was Condi-Hillary, I think that would be amazing.

[Dan Marino Forever 13]

Who would vote a women for President of the United States. Sorry Hillary, you don't have a chance, go home!

[WildMarlinMan2003]

THE BEST PRESIDENT HANDS DOWN WOULD BE ......

 

RUDY GUILIANI!!!

[Dodge]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

710599[/snapback]

 

He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

710600[/snapback]

I thought he was really popular in VA. Isnt his approval rating really high?

710602[/snapback]

 

I don't know about his numbers but I have heard nothing but discontent with his first term.

710623[/snapback]

 

You sure thats not from the folks youve talked to? My buddies arent big fans of Bush either. :whistle

710638[/snapback]

 

 

I don't have Republican friends around here, and I'm not even that Republican anyway.

710648[/snapback]

Not necessarily Republican but certainly of similiar values? A big part of why I say that is because I know Virginia is a state made of two different sections. Northern Virginia and teh rest of the state are pretty dissimiliar arent they? Warner is pretty popular in the northern Virginia area and maybe be mediocre in the rest of the state leaving him with a solid foundation for reelection. I know you are from the southern part of the state right?

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Yeah I'm from SE Virginia, which is more Democratic. Northern Virginia has a very very heavy military population and I don't think that NoVA tipped the scales in Warner's favor last election. The rest of the state, with the exception of Richmond, is pretty solid conservative Republican.

[Dodge]

THE BEST PRESIDENT HANDS DOWN WOULD BE ......

 

RUDY GUILIANI!!!

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I would be very interested to see how Rudy would do. Me thinks he'd be very popular.

[Flying_Mollusk]

My choice has and still is Mark Warner. The guy is not a politician. He is really legit. He stands up for a lot of democratic principles but also has a massive reputation as being a guy who can reach across the aisle, just like Bush supposedly had in Texas. He is a fiscal conservative which might play a role in 08 if the defecit doesnt go down. His only problem could be he talks pretty fast and may lack charisma.

710599[/snapback]

 

He also has a slight lisp and will have a hard time getting reelected this year. I'm volunteering for Kilgore.

710600[/snapback]

I thought he was really popular in VA. Isnt his approval rating really high?

710602[/snapback]

 

I don't know about his numbers but I have heard nothing but discontent with his first term.

710623[/snapback]

 

You sure thats not from the folks youve talked to? My buddies arent big fans of Bush either. :whistle

710638[/snapback]

 

 

I don't have Republican friends around here, and I'm not even that Republican anyway.

710648[/snapback]

Not necessarily Republican but certainly of similiar values? A big part of why I say that is because I know Virginia is a state made of two different sections. Northern Virginia and teh rest of the state are pretty dissimiliar arent they? Warner is pretty popular in the northern Virginia area and maybe be mediocre in the rest of the state leaving him with a solid foundation for reelection. I know you are from the southern part of the state right?

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Yeah I'm from SE Virginia, which is more Democratic. Northern Virginia has a very very heavy military population and I don't think that NoVA tipped the scales in Warner's favor last election. The rest of the state, with the exception of Richmond, is pretty solid conservative Republican.

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You work at William and Mary dont you? I came out to visit there a while back and I got a different perspective. It seemed more a traditonalist value type of area. But you would know better than me.

 

 

 

 

 

The problem with Guliani might be how the social conservatives view him. He is socially moderate to liberal. How he deals with abortion, guns and gays might cost him.

[Dodge]

Yes, I work at W&M. William and Mary is an oasis of liberalism amidst a pretty evenly mixed suburban area known as Williamsburg. The precinct I worked in during the last election was very liberal and it was about 2 minutes from the college.

 

The Hampton Roads Area (Newport News, Norfolk, VA Beach, Hampton) are liberal. And that is a good chunk of Virginia's population.

[MarlinFan10]

I don't want Hillary to run simply because it seems more of a way to avoid term limits. :plain

 

I want someone new in 2008, not another Bush or Clinton.