April 5, 200521 yr MIAMI -- So much for going out on top. Marlins president David Samson is once again going out on a limb, making another bold prediction for how many wins his club will finish with in 2005. After gaining acclaim for predicting exactly how many victories the Marlins would win in 2003, Samson retired from the prognostication business a year ago. Remaining in the shadows, the '04 Marlins finished 83-79, good enough for third place in the National League East. Samson expects more this season, and isn't afraid to admit it. So for recreational purposes, the optimistic team president declared publicly on Monday that the Marlins would win 93 games. If such a lofty number is attained, it would be the most in franchise history. The 1997 club won a club best 92 games, earning them a Wild Card berth and eventual World Series title. On the day before the 2003 season, Samson predicted the Marlins would win 91. As fate would have it, that exact number was reached, before the team stunned everyone by winning the World Series. "After consulting with Jack, the answer is this year our team will win 93 games," Samson said boldly. "We did an entire statistical analysis, based on new-breed of analytical, statistical general managers. We put it all through the Dr. Seuss-like belly-off machine, and out came 93." Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria offered Samson a bit of advice. "I'm just going to tell David, he's got to stop smoking," Loria said. Without sticking his neck out, Loria did note the club should be strong. "The team is capable of that," Loria said. "I couldn't be more fired up. Baseball is starting again. The fans are going to have a fantastic team to watch this year. I don't know how to say how excited I am other than to say it like that." Because Samson so accurately nailed the 91-win prediction at the workout before Opening Day in 2003, reporters have asked him to pick a win number the past two eves of the opener. "In 2003 verses 2004 verses 2005. I noticed what the result was from the '03 prediction on the field," Samson said. "I noticed what happened in '04 when I turned into Barry Sanders, which means in '05, I obviously have to turn into Michael Jordan, and make a comeback. So I've officially unretired. I'm taking one for the team, and that is what being a team player is all about." http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...t=.jsp&c_id=fla
April 5, 200521 yr 93 isn't that bold with this team... 728703[/snapback] thats what i thought 91 in '03 was much more bold 93 is really a modest prediction
April 5, 200521 yr God, I hope we win 93. 728713[/snapback] I second that. The best line was Loria saying he is gonna tell Samson to "stop smoking". LMAO Stop smoking that tumble weed, Samson. :lol
April 5, 200521 yr God, I hope we win 93. 728713[/snapback] 93 would be great but compared to his '03 prediction this doesn't seem so... daring
April 5, 200521 yr "After consulting with Jack, the answer is this year our team will win 93 games," Samson said boldly. "We did an entire statistical analysis, based on new-breed of analytical, statistical general managers. We put it all through the Dr. Seuss-like belly-off machine, and out came 93." http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...t=.jsp&c_id=fla 728691[/snapback] Is this the first public admission that the Marlins are a Moneyball team? :o
April 5, 200521 yr "After consulting with Jack, the answer is this year our team will win 93 games," Samson said boldly. "We did an entire statistical analysis, based on new-breed of analytical, statistical general managers. We put it all through the Dr. Seuss-like belly-off machine, and out came 93." http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...t=.jsp&c_id=fla 728691[/snapback] Is this the first public admission that the Marlins are a Moneyball team? :o 728730[/snapback] or was it just a comical mockery of them? :mischief2
April 5, 200521 yr God, I hope we win 93. 728713[/snapback] 93 would be great but compared to his '03 prediction this doesn't seem so... daring 728720[/snapback] I publicly predicted 92 wins before '03... Where's my article? :plain I guess I have to write it myself... :mischief
April 5, 200521 yr I dont think the marlins are a moneyball team. Mckeon in his book says that beinfest really doesnt go b ythat philosophy and he himself criticizes the whole moneyball thing quite often.
April 5, 200521 yr Samson is a funny little man. :whistle 728715[/snapback] I remember a few years ago on Zeta when the Marlins traded away Cliff Floyd and got Pavano that they were getting ripped by Toast. And Samson was telling him that the trade would make the marlins better, to which Toast says if it does make them better you can come back here and rip me a new one. Samson answer "get ready to grab your ankles"
April 5, 200521 yr I thought I had read Beinfest had some sabremetric background to go with his scouting expertise.
April 5, 200521 yr 93 wins is just to cover his ***. I'm sure he's thinking much bigger with this team. :mischief
April 5, 200521 yr Im sure all GMs have some sort of way of analyzing players and teams. Just because they use some form of using numbers and analyzing things doesnt mean its called "moneyball" a term coined by some overrated GM.
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