April 26, 200519 yr I see the Magic amendment, but nothing about the Marlins. Edit: Nevermind, I found it 564418 2. The previous certification was for an applicant 15 that served as the home facility for two professional sports 16 franchises and the franchise was used as a basis for the 17 certification of a new applicant. Notwithstanding any other 18 provision of this section, the franchise continuing to use the 19 original applicant shall be deemed the franchise forming the 20 basis of the previous certification and the previous 21 certification shall continue to apply for the time period 22 permitted from the original date of certification. To me it appears that the Dolphins will get the current Dolphins stadium certification and the Marlins will get the new ninth credit that is proposed to be created.
April 26, 200519 yr Summary of today's committee actions: STATEMENT OF SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES CONTAINED IN COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR 19 Senate Bill 1306 20 21 The committee substitute differs from the bill in that it: 22 - Increases from eight to nine, the number of facilities for new or retained professional sports franchises that 23 the Office of Tourism, Trade, and Economic Development can certify. 24 - Provides that, if previously certified, a professional 25 sports franchise can not be granted an additional facility certification, unless the certified facility was 26 the home of two professional sports franchises. The franchise continuing to use the facility will be 27 considered the franchise forming the basis of the previous certification, and the previous certification 28 will apply for the time period permitted from the original date of certification. 29 - Provides that facilities for new or retained professional 30 sports franchises that are certified after the effective date of this committee substitute may not receive sales 31 tax distributions until July 1, 2006.
April 26, 200519 yr OFFICIAL VOTE! 04/26/05 S Favorable with 2 amendment(s) by Government Efficiency Appropriations; YEAS 3 NAYS 2 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:00 AM
April 26, 200519 yr OFFICIAL VOTE! 04/26/05 S Favorable with 2 amendment(s) by Government Efficiency Appropriations; YEAS 3 NAYS 2 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:00 AM 755345[/snapback] So its true Cape?
April 26, 200519 yr It is true. The Senate Committee has passed the bill with the Marlins and Magic amendments made and recommended 3-2.
April 26, 200519 yr Let me check.... House: Still has Committees to go through, but it can be pushed to the floor. Senate: Ways and Means Committee
April 26, 200519 yr Just got a call that Michael Putney just reported on it on tv... de la Portilla voted against it and it still got through the committee. Members of the House attached the bill to some other popular bill that is expected to pass. The Senate is still the biggest opponent.
April 26, 200519 yr Just got a call that Michael Putney just reported on it on tv... de la Portilla voted against it and it still got through the committee. Members of the House attached the bill to some other popular bill that is expected to pass. The Senate is still the biggest opponent. 755360[/snapback] So it's been attached to another popular bill in committee and will now be voted on by the committee or it was has passed committee and will not go before the full house? So it's supposed to pass the full house? If this is true, then it means it has picked up considerable steam... passed the Senate subcommittee, was attached to a popular House bill that is expected to pass before the entire house, and is going to be considered before the Senate Ways and Means Committee.
April 26, 200519 yr coverage of today's positive developments has been lacking. The media is terrible, they have an agenda to kill this and that will not happen!
April 26, 200519 yr coverage of today's positive developments has been lacking. The media is terrible, they have an agenda to kill this and that will not happen! 755365[/snapback] We don't mind doing things under the radar as long as we can get what we want.
April 26, 200519 yr House maneuvers with an amendment to help team By BRENT KALLESTAD Associated Press Writer TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- A last-ditch maneuver engineered by the second most powerful lawmaker in the Florida House to win a $60 million subsidy for a baseball stadium in Miami survived a bruising floor debate Tuesday and headed to a final vote. The baseball stadium measure was kept alive along with a $75 million proposal to help lure a NASCAR Hall of Fame to Daytona Beach, but the concept of using tax dollars to help lucrative sports franchises must still win muster in the upper chamber. Senate President Tom Lee opposes giving the public's cash to benefit wealthy professional sports owners. The proposal for a new Marlins stadium, which was not heard in any House committee to examine its fiscal impact, came up through an amendment by speaker-designate Marco Rubio, R-Miami, and survived on a close voice vote after several unsuccessful rules challenges by Democrats. The Marlins and NASCAR proposals are quite different: Central Florida lawmakers want a NASCAR license plate and say they could repay the $75 million in time from the proceeds; the Marlins would be the no-questions-asked beneficiary of $2 million annually from the state's coffers for 30 years, albeit the dollars would flow back to the Miami-Dade County and city governments who would own the ballpark and rent it back to the team for their 81 home games each year. The amendments dramatically jacked up the state's financial exposure in a measure (HB 173) designed to provide up to $5 million for government-owned convention centers in Florida with more than 30,000 square feet. "When is this going to stop?" asked state Rep. Susan Bucher, D-West Palm Beach. She didn't have to wait long for an answer because Rep. Joe Negron, R-Stuart, was on the floor with another amendment that would include $500,000 for the New York Mets' spring training site at Port St. Lucie, which was also approved. "This is bad tax policy, a bad idea," said state Rep. Fred Brummer, R-Apopka. "It will continue to happen if we let this go through." A certified public accountant who chairs the House Finance and Tax Committee, Brummer refused to take up the Marlins bill earlier. "We must do what's right and oppose roping off taxpayer dollars to go to special projects," Brummer repeated Tuesday. An amended version of the Marlins proposal in the Senate (SB 1306) made it through in the Commerce and Consumer Services Committee on a 3-2 vote Tuesday, but there are no more scheduled committee meetings as lawmakers approach their May 6 adjournment. Rep. Anne Gannon, D-Delray Beach, suggested subsidizing ticket prices instead so more people could afford to attend games. The NASCAR measure has some backing in the Senate with the language of intent to pay back the money it receives. "I would hate like the dickens to see one of the other cities get this," said Rep. Pat Patterson, D-DeLand. "This is an opportunity that will go away." Earlier this month, a Senate staff economist told lawmakers that new sports stadiums don't usually have the intended effect of spurring economic development. Lee also said it might be a good year to pull the state out of the business of subsidizing pro sports franchises.
April 26, 200519 yr Wow. So am I reading this right... it passed the House? At first it sounded like it was headed for a final vote, but then it sounded like it passed a close voice vote.
April 26, 200519 yr It survived a close voice vote to attach it to the other bill. It will now go to floor as part of the bill and face a vote in the House.
April 26, 200519 yr Lee also said it might be a good year to pull the state out of the business of subsidizing pro sports franchises. Of course it would after his home district Buccaneers already received the same rebate the Marlins are asking for...what a hypocritical ass.
April 26, 200519 yr Lee also said it might be a good year to pull the state out of the business of subsidizing pro sports franchises. Of course it would after his home district Buccaneers already received the same rebate the Marlins are asking for...what a hypocritical ass. 755382[/snapback] Yup, his Devil Rays and Lightning got the same rebate as well. On top of that, the state had to pay the Lightning the rebate even though they did not play due to the lockout.
April 26, 200519 yr I see the Magic amendment, but nothing about the Marlins. Edit: Nevermind, I found it 564418 2.? The previous certification was for an applicant 15? that served as the home facility for two professional sports 16? franchises and the franchise was used as a basis for the 17? certification of a new applicant. Notwithstanding any other 18? provision of this section, the franchise continuing to use the 19? original applicant shall be deemed the franchise forming the 20? basis of the previous certification and the previous 21? certification shall continue to apply for the time period 22? permitted from the original date of certification. To me it appears that the Dolphins will get the current Dolphins stadium certification and the Marlins will get the new ninth credit that is proposed to be created. 755330[/snapback] That's exactly what it's saying.
April 27, 200519 yr Rep. Anne Gannon, D-Delray Beach, suggested subsidizing ticket prices instead so more people could afford to attend games. Yeah - like that keeps the rain off the field, makes the stadium any more accessible, or helps the Marlins generate more direct revenue. :lol How stupid is this woman - has she spent a single moment actually trying to understand the issue at all??
April 27, 200519 yr So am I hearing this right? Brummer cant stop anything now? Its actually on the floor of the house with an actual vote scheduled and attached to a popular bill? When is the house vote on the bill? If this goes through, we just need the Senate?
April 27, 200519 yr So am I hearing this right? Brummer cant stop anything now? Its actually on the floor of the house with an actual vote scheduled and attached to a popular bill? When is the house vote on the bill? If this goes through, we just need the Senate? 755426[/snapback] Yes. The full House will vote on it soon and the Senate will be next in line to approve it.
April 27, 200519 yr According to the Sun-Sentinel, the state may ask the city and county that the Florida name stay if the tax rebate is to be given. The city and county have the right to ask the team for the change. The team had no comment.
April 27, 200519 yr Hey everyone...today is a VERY important day concerning the Marlins stadium...I really don't know how to emphasize it enough... The House sub-committee will be voting on the stadium this morning and in the afternoon, the Senate Sub- Committee will be voting.... But the Marlins need your help. As I know that you are ALL aware, the Senate is our hardest opposition and there's a Senator from Miami that's actually iffy about voting in favor of the stadium. The Senate Sub-Committee is made up of SIX (6) senators so EVERY vote is important. Senator Alex de la Portilla is the one that is not exactly content with the stadium. So I need some help from ya'll..... send him some e-mails or leave him messages up in Tallahassee. You guys want the stadium, then help the team out. The team needs all the support they can get right now. Alex de la Portilla 1-850-487-5109 [email protected] Thanks for all your help and GO MARLINS!!! 755100[/snapback] I bet this was someone from the Marlins Front Office. :lol
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