Derrek Lee= Best 1b in NL

[sheff#1]

.430 BA,7 HR. 27 RBI, 500 OB %, only 11 ks.

 

yes.

 

everyone hated on him after 03.

 

everyone in the media was saying he was ready to breakout.

 

well hes there.

 

had a great 04 season and is putting up MVP numbers early this year.

 

known as a slow starter he isnt this year and is crushing everything.

 

i will even say this. he will end the year with better numbers than delgado.

 

he could of been had for half the money we landed delgado for.

 

i still love delgado. but eat crow Lee Haters.

[CardsJimEdmonds15]

I'd still take Pujols.. He's having a great start and there's no denying that though!

[sheff#1]

I'd still take Pujols.. He's having a great start and there's no denying that though!

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yea forgot about pujols.

 

still think of him as the LF.

 

id take pujols and then Lee close behind.

[CardsJimEdmonds15]

But if you really wanna say that he is, as of this minute he is the best 1b in the NL

[Guest Fritz]

Pujols

Delgado

Helton

Thome

 

All are better than DLee. He'll revert to crap form soon enough. He's a Cub for crying out loud.

[Craig]

Pujols

Delgado

Helton

Thome

 

All are better than DLee. He'll revert to crap form soon enough. He's a Cub for crying out loud.

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Yeah, I don't like the Cubs either....but to say Helton and Thome are better all around 1B than Lee is just ignorant.

[sheff#1]

Pujols

Delgado

Helton

Thome

 

All are better than DLee. He'll revert to crap form soon enough. He's a Cub for crying out loud.

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Yeah, I don't like the Cubs either....but to say Helton and Thome are better all around 1B than Lee is just ignorant.

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thank you.

 

ill take em in this order.

 

Pujols

 

Lee

 

 

Delgado

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Helton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thome

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league. I hope he can continue. Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

[sheff#1]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league. I hope he can continue. Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

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sorry but the stats dont back that up.before today.

 

Lee at home this year:306 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,426 obp.

 

Lee on the Road this year:487 BA,3 HR, 11 RBI,535 obp.

[zzdunlapj]

Glad to see DLee doing well...he was always one of my favorite Marlins and as long as he isn't playing against the Fish, I hope he does well...

[Guest Fritz]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league. I hope he can continue. Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

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sorry but the stats dont back that up.before today.

 

Lee at home this year:306 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,426 obp.

 

Lee on the Road this year:487 BA,3 HR, 11 RBI,535 obp.

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Those road games were in Arizona and St. Louis.

[farmer_fran]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league.? I hope he can continue.? Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

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sorry but the stats dont back that up.before today.

 

Lee at home this year:306 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,426 obp.

 

Lee on the Road this year:487 BA,3 HR, 11 RBI,535 obp.

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and how many games has he played at Dolphins Stadium?

 

Lee's a good hitter, the a lot of the hate he got on the board was not warranted, but I did support the trade to the Cubs because Choi wasn't a huge downgrade to Lee, and $8 million cheaper. (beinfest had to screw that up though) but we've got Delgado now and all that really doesn't matter.

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league. I hope he can continue. Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

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sorry but the stats dont back that up.before today.

 

Lee at home this year:306 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,426 obp.

 

Lee on the Road this year:487 BA,3 HR, 11 RBI,535 obp.

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What is WRONG with you? I said when he played AT DOLPHINS STADIUM, when he played for the MARLINS. Lee always hit better on the road. I said WRIGLEY has helped him A LOT.

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

Lee's a good hitter, the a lot of the hate he got on the board was not warranted, but I did support the trade to the Cubs because Choi wasn't a huge downgrade to Lee, and $8 million cheaper. (beinfest had to screw that up though) but we've got Delgado now and all that really doesn't matter.

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If you ask me Beinfest helped the Marlins WAY more than screwed up the Marlins trading Choi to LA.

 

The thing with Lee was that at the time Loria couldnt commit to a long term contract. Im sure if it were this year and not last year, Lee wouldve gotten that extension.

[sheff#1]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league.? I hope he can continue.? Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

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sorry but the stats dont back that up.before today.

 

Lee at home this year:306 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,426 obp.

 

Lee on the Road this year:487 BA,3 HR, 11 RBI,535 obp.

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and how many games has he played at Dolphins Stadium?

 

Lee's a good hitter, the a lot of the hate he got on the board was not warranted, but I did support the trade to the Cubs because Choi wasn't a huge downgrade to Lee, and $8 million cheaper. (beinfest had to screw that up though) but we've got Delgado now and all that really doesn't matter.

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as is turns out Choi was a huge downgrade and was not 8 mill cheaper.

 

lee only makes about 7 this year and choi made about 300k or so. rougly a 6.5 mill difference or so give or take.

 

now you see the numbers he puts up and Lee was well worth it.

 

we have delgado now and its all good but what did we give up?

 

 

and we dished out about 20 mill more for delgado than what lee is getting.

 

so for less than we are paying loduca and delgado you could of kept lee and gave pudge what he was asking for.

 

things have turned out well for us either way but to say we came out on top is ridiculous.we could of made out like bandits.

[farmer_fran]

Lee's a good hitter, the a lot of the hate he got on the board was not warranted, but I did support the trade to the Cubs because Choi wasn't? a huge downgrade to Lee, and $8 million cheaper.? (beinfest had to screw that up though)? but we've got Delgado now and all that really doesn't matter.

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If you ask me Beinfest helped the Marlins WAY more than screwed up the Marlins trading Choi to LA.

 

The thing with Lee was that at the time Loria couldnt commit to a long term contract. Im sure if it were this year and not last year, Lee wouldve gotten that extension.

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I've had this argument way too many times, I said it doesn't matter now that we've got Delgado. I agree Beinfest has made many more good decisions than he has made bad ones. I just don't think the LA trade was the right move at the time and for the future.

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

Lo Duca is a top 5 catcher. Do you remember Redmond and Treanor? That made our 7, 8, 9 hitters useless.

 

Mota is our closer. Tell who you would rather have for the money.

 

Penny is injured. Choi wasnt exactly lighting it up last year.

[farmer_fran]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league.? I hope he can continue.? Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

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sorry but the stats dont back that up.before today.

 

Lee at home this year:306 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,426 obp.

 

Lee on the Road this year:487 BA,3 HR, 11 RBI,535 obp.

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and how many games has he played at Dolphins Stadium?

 

Lee's a good hitter, the a lot of the hate he got on the board was not warranted, but I did support the trade to the Cubs because Choi wasn't a huge downgrade to Lee, and $8 million cheaper. (beinfest had to screw that up though) but we've got Delgado now and all that really doesn't matter.

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as is turns out Choi was a huge downgrade and was not 8 mill cheaper.

 

lee only makes about 7 this year and choi made about 300k or so. rougly a 6.5 mill difference or so give or take.

 

now you see the numbers he puts up and Lee was well worth it.

 

we have delgado now and its all good but what did we give up?

 

 

and we dished out about 20 mill more for delgado than what lee is getting.

 

so for less than we are paying loduca and delgado you could of kept lee and gave pudge what he was asking for.

 

things have turned out well for us either way but to say we came out on top is ridiculous.we could of made out like bandits.

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I agree with you on almost all of that, except for the Choi part. Last year in his time with the marlins, Choi put up a better OBP, OPS, and his Batting Average and Slugging % were right on par with Lee's final #'s last season. People can talk all they want about how he didn't have a lot of rbi's, but I could care less about that, if he wasn't hitting behind a struggling Conine while he was here he would've put up so many more rbis.

[TheTwoJuans]

Im loving life in Lee land, I have him in my money fantasy league.? I hope he can continue.? Wrigley field has helped him A LOT, Dolphin Stadium was not the best place for Lee, he always hit better on the road.

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sorry but the stats dont back that up.before today.

 

Lee at home this year:306 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,426 obp.

 

Lee on the Road this year:487 BA,3 HR, 11 RBI,535 obp.

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and how many games has he played at Dolphins Stadium?

 

Lee's a good hitter, the a lot of the hate he got on the board was not warranted, but I did support the trade to the Cubs because Choi wasn't a huge downgrade to Lee, and $8 million cheaper. (beinfest had to screw that up though) but we've got Delgado now and all that really doesn't matter.

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as is turns out Choi was a huge downgrade and was not 8 mill cheaper.

 

lee only makes about 7 this year and choi made about 300k or so. rougly a 6.5 mill difference or so give or take.

 

now you see the numbers he puts up and Lee was well worth it.

 

we have delgado now and its all good but what did we give up?

 

 

and we dished out about 20 mill more for delgado than what lee is getting.

 

so for less than we are paying loduca and delgado you could of kept lee and gave pudge what he was asking for.

 

things have turned out well for us either way but to say we came out on top is ridiculous.we could of made out like bandits.

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I agree with you. Pudge signed for 4 years and 40 million dollars. Derrek Lee signed for 3 years and 22.5 million dollars, meaning in those two contacts there is about 66.5 million tied up. Now we have signed Lo Duca to a 3 year 18 million contract and Delgado to a 4 year 52 million contract, about 70 million tied up there.

 

We let Lee and Pudge go and signed Lo Duca and Delgado for more money, for the same 7 contract year span. In the process we lose an ace in Penny, as well as a gold glover and a 1b who is entering his prime. But we did gain lefty thunder. I think most would agree Pudge is better than Duca, and you can say a peaking Derrek is ok when comparing to an aging Carlos.

 

So I agree with you we came out of these couple years a little bad.

[sheff#1]

Lo Duca is a top 5 catcher. Do you remember Redmond and Treanor? That made our 7, 8, 9 hitters useless.

 

Mota is our closer. Tell who you would rather have for the money.

 

Penny is injured. Choi wasnt exactly lighting it up last year.

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your arguements are irrelavent.

 

the need for mota or loduca would not be needed because from the money we would of saved from keeping Lee instead of delgado we could of kept Pudge and Benitez last year and fill those 2 positions.

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

Lo Duca is a top 5 catcher. Do you remember Redmond and Treanor? That made our 7, 8, 9 hitters useless.

 

Mota is our closer. Tell who you would rather have for the money.

 

Penny is injured. Choi wasnt exactly lighting it up last year.

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your arguements are irrelavent.

 

the need for mota or loduca would not be needed because from the money we would of saved from keeping Lee instead of delgado we could of kept Pudge and Benitez last year and fill those 2 positions.

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Why didnt the Marlins sign Pudge and Lee after '03?

 

a) The Marlins didnt think they were good enough.

b) The Marlins couldnt afford them at the time.

 

Its definately not A. The Marlins were working with strict financial restraint. The fact is they couldnt do it, whether wanted to or not. Its easy to say 2 years later they shouldve done it. But at the time they couldnt do it. Since they couldnt do it, they have done a remarkable job, aquiring LoDuca, acquiring Mota, and getting Delgado.

 

Im NOT saying letting Lee go was right. Its what they had to do at the TIME. You wont understand this because all you want to do is argue and you dont understand between rational and irrational thinking.

[TheTwoJuans]

Why didnt the Marlins sign Pudge and Lee after '03?

 

a) The Marlins didnt think they were good enough.

b) The Marlins couldnt afford them at the time.

 

Its definately not A. The Marlins were working with strict financial restraint.

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Where did that restraint stop them from signing Delgado and Duca to more monney? I think their payroll is higher now than it would have been if they kept Derrek and Pudge last year. Loria apparently did not seem to think that Derrek or Pudge were worth the money. Explain to me how Loria can say he lost more money last year (2004) and then in turn increase payroll for this year, and you say he didn't have enough money to sign Pudge and Derrek after the WS year. He had the money he just did not feel that it was worthwhile to spend it and he tried to make up for that mistake by signing Delgado and Duca. I do not understand how you can say the Marlins had tighter financial restraints after 03 than after last year given the fact Loria says he had less money after last year than he started the year with.

[Ramp]

Im glad DLee is playing well, I have him in my fantasy league...

 

he has been the best 1b in the nl thru 25 games

 

woo

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

The restraint is two years later. Salaries coming OFF the books, Delgado only makes 4.5 million this year. Loria is confident in getting the stadium, which two years ago seemed very tough, the stadium will secure the team the ability to compete financially.

[Ramp]

I could have sworn this exact same argument happened last year

 

lol