June 14, 200521 yr Lets say this park isn't ready for the first couple months of 2008 and Mr. Huipinga doesn't let them play at DS for 2 months I'm guessing we would play at an alternate site. (Like the A's did a few years ago) -Orange Bowl -Ft. Lauderdale Stadium -Homestead Sports Complex -Tropicana Field -Cracker Jack Stadium -Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville I highly doubt this would happen though. 808576[/snapback] It wouldnt be out of line to get a court order to make Huipinga let them play at DS
June 14, 200521 yr BTW, it takes about 24-30 months to build a ballpark like this. For a 2008 season start they would need to start by September or October to be safe. For 2009's season opener you can start by September of 2006. 808181[/snapback] Cape you seriously just make things up...a stadium will take 42-48 months atleast to build...the American Airlines Arena took over 4 years, it was delayed about 5 months cause of a fire yes, but stadiums dont take 24-30 months that's absurd 808734[/snapback] Minute Maid Park construction started in November 1997 and it opened in March of 2000. 1) November 1997 2) December 1997 3) Jan. 98 4) Feb. 98 5) Mar. 98 6) Apr. 98 7) May 98 8) Jun. 98 9) Jul. 98 10) Aug. 98 11) Sept. 98 12) Oct. 98 13) Nov. 98 14) Dec. 98 15) Jan. 99 16) Feb. 99 17) Mar. 99 18) Apr. 99 19) May 99 20) Jun. 99 21) Jul. 99 22) Aug. 99 23) Sept. 99 24) Oct. 99 25) Nov. 99 26) Dec. 99 27) Jan. 2000 28) Feb. 2000 29) Mar. 2000 I even gave you most of November 1997 and March 2000, even though those months barely saw work.
June 14, 200521 yr Bank One Ballpark in Phoenix similarly started construction in November of 1995 and was ready for Opening Day in 1998. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_One_Ballpark
June 14, 200521 yr Lets say this park isn't ready for the first couple months of 2008 and Mr. Huipinga doesn't let them play at DS for 2 months I'm guessing we would play at an alternate site. (Like the A's did a few years ago) -Orange Bowl -Ft. Lauderdale Stadium -Homestead Sports Complex -Tropicana Field -Cracker Jack Stadium -Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville I highly doubt this would happen though. 808576[/snapback] It wouldnt be out of line to get a court order to make Huipinga let them play at DS 808736[/snapback] The County Commission has the ability to order restrictions on the use of Dolphins Stadium. They had the restrictions in place to basically Dolphins football and a few other events before the Marlins came in. They could easily restore them.
June 15, 200521 yr I don't know what u are talking about, I live in little havana and I go to every game!!
June 15, 200521 yr Some people have the idea that Little Havana is a slum. It isn't a slum, but they don't realize that.
June 15, 200521 yr I grew up there. It's not The OC but its definitely not a slum. It's a nice albeit low-income neighborhood with plenty of personality.
June 15, 200521 yr I grew up there. It's not The OC but its definitely not a slum. It's a nice albeit low-income neighborhood with plenty of personality. 811478[/snapback] Exactly, but people comment without ever being there. It is safer at night than Opa Locka is and alot more convenient to the taxpayers of Dade County who will put the money up for it. 2,000 parking spaces in the new parking garage, Park and Ride from other locations such as Tamiami Park (plenty of parking there in Westchester), Golden Glades (plenty of parking very close to Dolphins Stadium), or Downtown (plenty of parking garages) is a big possibility. Parking and Bus fare are packaged together and you get round-trip from your car to the park. When you have 81 home games, you will see an efficient system developed and it will not be chaos. Of course that doesn't even count in the private parking in the areas around the stadium. BTW, the 2005 Weekend Park and Ride is up: http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=44580
June 15, 200521 yr Parking Capacity 4,000 at the Orange Bowl and approximately 15,000 in surrounding areas. http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/PublicFacilities...Quick_Facts.htm That about equals or exceeds most other MLB parks. Dolphins Stadium only opens 15,000 spots at the most for baseball.
June 16, 200521 yr put the Marlins in Key West, put Margaritaville in the left field bleachers... 812189[/snapback] Jesus Christ....then we would have to demolish the entire island! :shifty
June 17, 200521 yr I have feeling this stadium will be another Miami Arena.The location is horrible and the stadium will be on the cheap side.I rather see the team get a fair lease from Wayne than build another mistake.
June 17, 200521 yr I have feeling this stadium will be another Miami Arena.The location is horrible and the stadium will be on the cheap side.I rather see the team get a fair lease from Wayne than build another mistake. 812803[/snapback] The location is horrible? How so? It is central in Dade County and the area handles 60,000 for football games and has for years! If you don't think that it can handle 38k nightly easily then you haven't seen the area when Temple plays UM. The cheap side....Minute Maid Park is pretty well built and it cost less than $300 million. Land is what is bringing the price up.
June 17, 200521 yr I grew up there. It's not The OC but its definitely not a slum. It's a nice albeit low-income neighborhood with plenty of personality. 811478[/snapback] Exactly, but people comment without ever being there. It is safer at night than Opa Locka is and alot more convenient to the taxpayers of Dade County who will put the money up for it. 2,000 parking spaces in the new parking garage, Park and Ride from other locations such as Tamiami Park (plenty of parking there in Westchester), Golden Glades (plenty of parking very close to Dolphins Stadium), or Downtown (plenty of parking garages) is a big possibility. Parking and Bus fare are packaged together and you get round-trip from your car to the park. When you have 81 home games, you will see an efficient system developed and it will not be chaos. Of course that doesn't even count in the private parking in the areas around the stadium. BTW, the 2005 Weekend Park and Ride is up: http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=44580 811497[/snapback] i wish i spoke better spanish....
June 21, 200521 yr Author Parking Capacity? 4,000 at the Orange Bowl and approximately 15,000 in surrounding areas. http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/PublicFacilities...Quick_Facts.htm That about equals or exceeds most other MLB parks. Dolphins Stadium only opens 15,000 spots at the most for baseball. 811523[/snapback] "surrounding area"....so i assume you are talking about the front lawns of houses and businesses that people have to park in to go to a game in the orange bowl. i dont think that happens at other legitimate ballparks. I have feeling this stadium will be another Miami Arena.The location is horrible and the stadium will be on the cheap side.I rather see the team get a fair lease from Wayne than build another mistake. 812803[/snapback] agree. i think the city needs to re-think this. if the ballpark is built correctly in the correct place the marlins could be here for 50 years. if its built quick and just put somewhere just to put it some where we'll have another pink elephant that is just another sore site. people who know this city well know that it is VERY CAPABLE of producing another "miami arena" or metrorail....futile attempts in building for the future.
June 21, 200521 yr The Marlins can always do what the Hurricanes do. Arrange to have a lot that can hold plenty of cars available for 5,000-7,000 Marlins fans offsite, charge them $5-$7 flat for the parking and then shuttle them to the park. Here are some teams in "other legitimate ballparks" that do this or must push mass transit: The Chicago Cubs The Chicago Cubs operate a shuttle and parking service at the DeVry University campus located off Addison St. and Western Avenue for all weekend and night games. For $6.00 you can park your vehicle and all occupants ride the shuttle free to and from the ballpark. Take advantage of the savings with the easy in and out of our secure remote parking facility. The first shuttle leaves two and one half hour prior to the game. The shuttle runs for one hour after all Night Games and for two hours after all Weekend Day Games. The San Francisco Giants PARKING INFORMATION SBC Park has over 5,000 parking spaces in Parking Lots A,B and C. The lots are operated by Imperial Parking Corporation and are located on the south side of the China Basin Channel across the Lefty O'Doul Bridge from the ballpark. For season parking, please call 415-972-2000. The OB site will likely have 5,000 spots on-site. They have 4,000 now, about 1,000 or so of those will be gone to make room for the parking garage...so the estimate is for about 5,000 slots on-site once the parking garage and surface lots are added. Those are on-site of course. How about The Red Sox's Fenway Park?
June 21, 200521 yr How about you guys hold all the doom and gloom until you see what the final plan would entail?
June 22, 200521 yr How is the location horrible? 819918[/snapback] Residential areas like that one are bad news. Learn from teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh that have done it right by placing stadiums in thriving locales. 820652[/snapback] :blink: From what I've heard those sites were horrible before the ballpark was built. The Coors Field site was also a bad location before the park was built.
June 22, 200521 yr The ballparks in Baltimore, Denver, and Pittsburgh created the thriving locales. People don't understand that those neighborhoods especially Denver's Lower Downtown where Coors is were like Overtown is now before the parks were built.
June 22, 200521 yr Plus Little Havana already has a built-in personality and culture. I really want this to happen cause I'll only have to take one bus to get there from here. :super
June 23, 200521 yr Author The OB site will likely have 5,000 spots on-site. They have 4,000 now, about 1,000 or so of those will be gone to make room for the parking garage...so the estimate is for about 5,000 slots on-site once the parking garage and surface lots are added. Those are on-site of course. 819000[/snapback] You keep discussing a parking garage. I know there is a parking garage in the plans. I ask you, have you ever been to Sunset Place to watch a movie and parked in that parking garage on a friday or saturday night? Better yet, have you ever been to South Beach and parked at the 7th street garage and had 80% of the people try to leave at the same time? If you have then you have had just a small taste of what parking in a garage for a sporting event is like. Imagine 2,000 cars leaving a garage at the same time. You'd be breathing fumes and moving ata crawl for at least an hour! No one is really questioning the parking situation. But it seems as if you are using the parking garage as a valid means of parking for a game and that argument just cannot be supported. Is it a solution to the parking problem? Maybe. But that is definitely not the right solution. And putting the stadium in downtown has the same parking pitfalls, but you also have the Metrorail/People Mover to add a little relief. And I know citizens will use these tools because they have used them for Heat and Panthers games in the past. Also, people addressed that they feel Little Havana is a slum. Little Havana, by far, is a nicer area than Opa Locka. That isn't even an issue. I don't think many people think that Little Havana specificly is a slum because to be honest, most of the City of Miami is low income "slumish". I think the main concern of the Little Havana location is that it does not offer the promise of high end commercial development surrounding the stadium such as nice resturants and bars that are a staple to every great ball park (you're stuck in the middle of a low-income residential area). Downtown Miami offers this. So do many other suburbs in Dade county, but will never allow a stadium to be built in their back yard (a small non-serious thought, maybe see the stadium in Coral Gables which will be close enough for the Latin community but still offers the high end commercial district).
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