knglover Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I know this is a dumb poll but it is entertaining and maybe, just maybe Jack will read this and cave in to what the masses want! Ok, its highly unlikely that jack reads this forum, even more unlikely that he will listen to us if he does, and even more unlikely still that he will remember that he read this forum when he fills out the line-up card on tuesday (being senile is a bisquit), We will just go with the entertainment factor of the results and people's comments as to why they feel the way they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hopefully this leaves a good taste in Jacks mouth and Niner starts getting the majority of the starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knglover Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Oh boy!!!! I get to go first!!!!! 100% Even jack can remember how scatty Juan eww. has been playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Slightly better than 50/50. 4-3-2-popup is being dangled for bullpen help (or just prospects), so that is a main reason behind Enc's playing time. So unless Beinfest just says "ah, screw it" and eats Enc's contract, Conine'll continue to be a super-sub and Sunday starter...although I think Conine should be the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 There's conflicting reasons why starting Conine could be good and bad for the club. If the objective is to trade Encarnacion for the best possible player in return, then in the short term it may be better to play him and give him a chance to redeem himself, not in our eyes or fans generally, but rather in the eyes of professional scouts and GMswith whom we ultimately want to deal. With roughly a hundred games to go (and a pretty good idea already what the pluses and minuses are with Jeff Conine) playing Enc, while risky, may be the right way for the team to go in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 It all depends on ENC, if he slacks off on defense and isn't performing on offense, then 100% it will be Steve in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I'll say 51%-75%. You can never be too sure with Jack. He makes a lot of wierd moves sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 95%, he's Mr. Marlin and the leading candidate for MVP, Cy Young, Rookie of the Year, and 2008 US President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 0% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southkevin2 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Conine, who turns 39 on June 27, is 16-for-54 with eight RBIs in the 15 games he has started this season. His father, who has prostate cancer, made the 20-mile drive from his home in Riverside to attend the game to share Father's Day with his son. ``It was a great day,'' Conine said. ``There aren't a whole lot of Father's Days where you get to play in front of your dad. Today was a little more special than most, and having a good game made it even better.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsContinueTo ShowDomi Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I'd rather have Conine get the playing time over Enc, but I'd rather see the marls try to add a solid OF bat to replace either of them, because regardless of yesterday's 7 runs, this offense needs help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Trade Enc for bullpen help, call up Willingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Well Niner will certainly get a couple of starts now.... If he hits, he'll stay put, if he doesn't we might see Enc back in. It's just the way Jack works. I hope Niner keeps hitting though, so Jack doesn't have to make a tough decision. Trade Enc for bullpen help, call up Willingham. 818108[/snapback] That seems more and more like the obvious move to me. Enc might not be the most attractive package out there to other teams, but he does have 9 homers and fair RBI numbers if the Yankees or someone needs another piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Nation Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I was listening to Boog today and he said that Jack is definitely going to give Conine more starts. Take that for what it's worth. I'd rather give Conine the call instead of bringing up Willy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Given the way Jack likes to go with the hot hand, Jeff is certainly going to get some more starts. He was excellent yesterday and those 4 RBIs were desperately needed for an offense that has been off and on. If he continues to be hot, then Jeff will likely continue to start. Enc will get his chances coming off the bench, and will come in for defensive purposes late in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamarlins3 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Marlins2003 is right here...if Beinfest/Marlins wants to trade Enc then he must be in the starting lineup the majority of the time at least for the time being. That said if Enc is still with the team by August I expect him and Conine to split time much more, but until then Enc will be swinging at sliders 3 feet off the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 There's conflicting reasons why starting Conine could be good and bad for the club. If the objective is to trade Encarnacion for the best possible player in return, then in the short term it may be better to play him and give him a chance to redeem himself, not in our eyes or fans generally, but rather in the eyes of professional scouts and GMswith whom we ultimately want to deal. With roughly a hundred games to go (and a pretty good idea already what the pluses and minuses are with Jeff Conine) playing Enc, while risky, may be the right way for the team to go in the long run. 817761[/snapback] And what if Encarnacion continues to play poorly and have his average drop even more in the next few weeks? I don't think other GMs would appreciate that. I say decrease his starts now before he hits the wall and teams stop showing interest in him. 818565[/snapback] I alluded to the risk of Encarnacion underperforming if he's showcased but after his performance in LA every GM in baseball has already discounted his value. I doubt it could be diminished further so most of the opportunity (to increase his trade value) is on the upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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