August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant.
August 31, 200521 yr Man, you guys are insulting the poor here. So, they're all dumb, they all hate each other and now they're out of touch with reality because they have no effective means of communication? OUCH. 923025[/snapback] And you havent saying they were deserving of the situation they are in and that there life, because they didnt leave when they had the chance and because of the place they have chosen to live in...is useless?
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant. 923027[/snapback] This isn't true. I've been to your house and I know you guys are prepared for our "natural disasters." You have a kerosene heater, rock salt and various other implements to save you from the cold. You've prepared yourself. Now, my question is, what happens when the "mother of all blizzards" touches down? Do you leave or stay?
August 31, 200521 yr Man, you guys are insulting the poor here. So, they're all dumb, they all hate each other and now they're out of touch with reality because they have no effective means of communication? OUCH. 923025[/snapback] It's not insulting. They aren't dumb--just not as informed or involved in the world around them. I only say this because I've lived in such a situation in the past. I've experienced both ends of the spectrum, and there is a difference--albeit, hardly an excuse for much other than something like this.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant. 923027[/snapback] I was more trying to refute BAW's idea that because of where you live, you have it coming.
August 31, 200521 yr Man, you guys are insulting the poor here.? So, they're all dumb, they all hate each other and now they're out of touch with reality because they have no effective means of communication? OUCH. 923025[/snapback] And you havent saying they were deserving of the situation they are in and that there life, because they didnt leave when they had the chance and because of the place they have chosen to live in...is useless? 923029[/snapback] Hmmm... I don't remember saying they're useless. But, whatever, I'll bite the bullet. If they're as dumb as you say and have no earthly idea what's going on and no means of communication with the outside world than they must be a Schiavo vegetable and yes, fine, they're useless. I'll agree with you on that count.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant. 923027[/snapback] This isn't true. I've been to your house and I know you guys are prepared for our "natural disasters." You have a kerosene heater, rock salt and various other implements to save you from the cold. You've prepared yourself. Now, my question is, what happens when the "mother of all blizzards" touches down? Do you leave or stay? 923030[/snapback] If they told me to leave, I'm gone. I'll worry about where I'm going once I'm gone.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant. 923027[/snapback] This isn't true. I've been to your house and I know you guys are prepared for our "natural disasters." You have a kerosene heater, rock salt and various other implements to save you from the cold. You've prepared yourself. Now, my question is, what happens when the "mother of all blizzards" touches down? Do you leave or stay? 923030[/snapback] I'd say, having been in both, that a Blizzard is a much more livable situation then a Hurricane is.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] I'm not trying to start an argument, but have you ever been to an impoverished or 'ghetto' area? Communication isn't exactly open and friendly. I guarantee you that specific details of the evacuation (and hurricane information) were not given to the poorer areas, and that vague descriptions of procedures were doled out. Just a guess, at least. 923018[/snapback] How impoverished are we talking about here? I mean I've been to one of the poorest regions in the world in a small little village in the Uxpanapa Valley of deep Mexico, so I have a small idea of waht impoverished is like..... I mean its not like this wasnt all over the entire news...you would think there would be at least one person in your family that would catch a bit of news...hey this huge hurricane is coming, we better do something about it...and ya the media 'blacked' out the poorer areas from communication. even the newspapers 'mentioned' this little storm approaching in the sunday editions. I'm sorry but I dont buy the 'they had no clue what was going on excuse'
August 31, 200521 yr Man, you guys are insulting the poor here. So, they're all dumb, they all hate each other and now they're out of touch with reality because they have no effective means of communication? OUCH. 923025[/snapback] And you havent saying they were deserving of the situation they are in and that there life, because they didnt leave when they had the chance and because of the place they have chosen to live in...is useless? 923029[/snapback] Hmmm... I don't remember saying they're useless. But, whatever, I'll bite the bullet. If they're as dumb as you say and have no earthly idea what's going on and no means of communication with the outside world than they must be a Schiavo vegetable and yes, fine, they're useless. I'll agree with you on that count. 923033[/snapback] I havent said they are dumb. I have said that some in poverty are cut off from communication and have more regard for their own living and have probably not given thought to a hurricane, or a hurricane of this magnitude in their lives. Therefore, we cant just assume they had the ability or knowledge to dodge this thing.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant. 923027[/snapback] This isn't true. I've been to your house and I know you guys are prepared for our "natural disasters." You have a kerosene heater, rock salt and various other implements to save you from the cold. You've prepared yourself. Now, my question is, what happens when the "mother of all blizzards" touches down? Do you leave or stay? 923030[/snapback] I'd say, having been in both, that a Blizzard is a much more livable situation then a Hurricane is. 923035[/snapback] Which is part of the reason we live here. Which is Hugg's whole argument. And if you didn't leave, and you had the oppurtunity, you did have it coming. I'll never take that back. Only unless you're a child, the elderly or, okay fine I'll include them too, the handicapped.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant. 923027[/snapback] This isn't true. I've been to your house and I know you guys are prepared for our "natural disasters." You have a kerosene heater, rock salt and various other implements to save you from the cold. You've prepared yourself. Now, my question is, what happens when the "mother of all blizzards" touches down? Do you leave or stay? 923030[/snapback] If they told me to leave, I'm gone. I'll worry about where I'm going once I'm gone. 923034[/snapback] But you are only saying that because you already know what happened, and/or you live in such a situation that you're informed and understand what's going on. It's not easy to explain unless you've experienced poverty or what not. AND JEEZ It's not just about poverty.
August 31, 200521 yr Lefty said: I really think a decision like this is more than 'common sense'. I've known people that are a little 'slow' in terms of understanding certain situations. Sometimes people just don't grasp the gravity of pending disaster. Most of those people in NO have never even heard of such a huge storm. Some city official giving them less than 48 hours to 'leave' their homes with the possibility of never seeing it again?? Too me, if you replace a little slow, with dumb, it's the same thing.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] I'm not trying to start an argument, but have you ever been to an impoverished or 'ghetto' area? Communication isn't exactly open and friendly. I guarantee you that specific details of the evacuation (and hurricane information) were not given to the poorer areas, and that vague descriptions of procedures were doled out. Just a guess, at least. 923018[/snapback] How impoverished are we talking about here? I mean I've been to one of the poorest regions in the world in a small little village in the Uxpanapa Valley of deep Mexico, so I have a small idea of waht impoverished is like..... I mean its not like this wasnt all over the entire news...you would think there would be at least one person in your family that would catch a bit of news...hey this huge hurricane is coming, we better do something about it...and ya the media 'blacked' out the poorer areas from communication. even the newspapers 'mentioned' this little storm approaching in the sunday editions. I'm sorry but I dont buy the 'they had no clue what was going on excuse' 923036[/snapback] It's not about having 'no' clue. It's about knowing vaguely what to do in those circumstances. Like I said, due to poor future tracking, the people of the area had less than 48 hours (more like 36) to get their sh*t together. Obviously, most people had somewhere else to go. Some people (a lot) didn't know exactly what to do, rather than not knowing what's going on.
August 31, 200521 yr It's not just about poverty. 923039[/snapback] so if its not just about poverty what is it about?
August 31, 200521 yr Lefty said: I really think a decision like this is more than 'common sense'. I've known people that are a little 'slow' in terms of understanding certain situations. Sometimes people just don't grasp the gravity of pending disaster. Most of those people in NO have never even heard of such a huge storm. Some city official giving them less than 48 hours to 'leave' their homes with the possibility of never seeing it again?? Too me, if you replace a little slow, with dumb, it's the same thing. 923040[/snapback] If you'd like, sure. But it's the truth--and I'm not generalizing a whole group of people. I'm citing examples.
August 31, 200521 yr It's not just about poverty. 923039[/snapback] so if its not just about poverty what is it about? 923043[/snapback] I meant the people who stayed.
August 31, 200521 yr But you are only saying that because you already know what happened, and/or you live in such a situation that you're informed and understand what's going on. It's not easy to explain unless you've experienced poverty or what not. AND JEEZ It's not just about poverty. 923039[/snapback] I'm sorry, but if someone comes on my television, shows up in my newspaper, comes over my radio and tells me your lives are in danger and you need to evacuate, I'm doing it. That's the way my mind works. I'd grab a few things and I'd go. Am I lucky in that I have the means to do that? No doubt.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane? 923022[/snapback] I don't disagree with this, but should Tom not also know what a hurricane is a possibility and be prepared for such. I mean, I would think it comes with the territory. I've never lived an area that has such issues, but I'm sure many people on this board have, isn't in common to be prepared on some level? I mean to say that because they're poor means they have no idea the hurricane is coming is insulting. They're poor, not ignorant. 923027[/snapback] This isn't true. I've been to your house and I know you guys are prepared for our "natural disasters." You have a kerosene heater, rock salt and various other implements to save you from the cold. You've prepared yourself. Now, my question is, what happens when the "mother of all blizzards" touches down? Do you leave or stay? 923030[/snapback] I'd say, having been in both, that a Blizzard is a much more livable situation then a Hurricane is. 923035[/snapback] Which is part of the reason we live here. Which is Hugg's whole argument. And if you didn't leave, and you had the oppurtunity, you did have it coming. I'll never take that back. Only unless you're a child, the elderly or, okay fine I'll include them too, the handicapped. 923038[/snapback] So the reason you chose where you lived is on the basis of what natural disasters would hit? Please, im sure it was more based on where you grew up, schooling, and economics. Dont try to convince me youve takent into account weather into why you make Ohio your home, because simply people dont do that. Its not practical either.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] I'm not trying to start an argument, but have you ever been to an impoverished or 'ghetto' area? Communication isn't exactly open and friendly. I guarantee you that specific details of the evacuation (and hurricane information) were not given to the poorer areas, and that vague descriptions of procedures were doled out. Just a guess, at least. 923018[/snapback] How impoverished are we talking about here? I mean I've been to one of the poorest regions in the world in a small little village in the Uxpanapa Valley of deep Mexico, so I have a small idea of waht impoverished is like..... I mean its not like this wasnt all over the entire news...you would think there would be at least one person in your family that would catch a bit of news...hey this huge hurricane is coming, we better do something about it...and ya the media 'blacked' out the poorer areas from communication. even the newspapers 'mentioned' this little storm approaching in the sunday editions. I'm sorry but I dont buy the 'they had no clue what was going on excuse' 923036[/snapback] It's not about having 'no' clue. It's about knowing vaguely what to do in those circumstances. Like I said, due to poor future tracking, the people of the area had less than 48 hours (more like 36) to get their sh*t together. Obviously, most people had somewhere else to go. Some people (a lot) didn't know exactly what to do, rather than not knowing what's going on. 923042[/snapback] so again it comes down to ignorance which was the point entirely, just on various levels. i need to find me a copy of sunday's NOLA paper....I'm sure there was some info in there on where to go..considering that on saturday they were recommending people to seek shelters, i'm sure there was info regarding shelters one could goto.
August 31, 200521 yr This really is going nowhere. The fact is we tend to learn from our mistakes. For my lifetime, I'll never underestimate a hurricane or natural disaster again (not that I did). And neither will the unfortunate now-homeless of the gulf area.
August 31, 200521 yr One of the factors is that it's liveable. My dad always hated on New Orleans. He did some basic training in the south and was able to visit the non-titty areas to do some fieldwork. Anyways, he always said, "You'd have to be crazy to live there." Columbus is liveable. True, I was born here and I like it here because the most I have to deal with is the cold. Put me in a place where there's frequent tornado touchdowns or chance of your whole state felling into the sea (sorry California) or even being covered by 20 foot waters and I just don't feel safe.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] I'm not trying to start an argument, but have you ever been to an impoverished or 'ghetto' area? Communication isn't exactly open and friendly. I guarantee you that specific details of the evacuation (and hurricane information) were not given to the poorer areas, and that vague descriptions of procedures were doled out. Just a guess, at least. 923018[/snapback] How impoverished are we talking about here? I mean I've been to one of the poorest regions in the world in a small little village in the Uxpanapa Valley of deep Mexico, so I have a small idea of waht impoverished is like..... I mean its not like this wasnt all over the entire news...you would think there would be at least one person in your family that would catch a bit of news...hey this huge hurricane is coming, we better do something about it...and ya the media 'blacked' out the poorer areas from communication. even the newspapers 'mentioned' this little storm approaching in the sunday editions. I'm sorry but I dont buy the 'they had no clue what was going on excuse' 923036[/snapback] It's not about having 'no' clue. It's about knowing vaguely what to do in those circumstances. Like I said, due to poor future tracking, the people of the area had less than 48 hours (more like 36) to get their sh*t together. Obviously, most people had somewhere else to go. Some people (a lot) didn't know exactly what to do, rather than not knowing what's going on. 923042[/snapback] so again it comes down to ignorance which was the point entirely, just on various levels. i need to find me a copy of sunday's NOLA paper....I'm sure there was some info in there on where to go..considering that on saturday they were recommending people to seek shelters, i'm sure there was info regarding shelters one could goto. 923048[/snapback] A combination of ignorance and fear. If you've lived in the same place your entire life, it's not easy to leave within a 36 hour notice. If this was normal circumstances, and the future track had been accurate, there would have been a 4 or 5 day period during which experts would have advised evacuation. Then, there surely would have been less people. It's hard to cite one specific reason for people staying in NO.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] I'm not trying to start an argument, but have you ever been to an impoverished or 'ghetto' area? Communication isn't exactly open and friendly. I guarantee you that specific details of the evacuation (and hurricane information) were not given to the poorer areas, and that vague descriptions of procedures were doled out. Just a guess, at least. 923018[/snapback] How impoverished are we talking about here? I mean I've been to one of the poorest regions in the world in a small little village in the Uxpanapa Valley of deep Mexico, so I have a small idea of waht impoverished is like..... I mean its not like this wasnt all over the entire news...you would think there would be at least one person in your family that would catch a bit of news...hey this huge hurricane is coming, we better do something about it...and ya the media 'blacked' out the poorer areas from communication. even the newspapers 'mentioned' this little storm approaching in the sunday editions. I'm sorry but I dont buy the 'they had no clue what was going on excuse' 923036[/snapback] It's not about having 'no' clue. It's about knowing vaguely what to do in those circumstances. Like I said, due to poor future tracking, the people of the area had less than 48 hours (more like 36) to get their sh*t together. Obviously, most people had somewhere else to go. Some people (a lot) didn't know exactly what to do, rather than not knowing what's going on. 923042[/snapback] If I'm given 36 hours, I don't take my sweet ass time "getting my s*** together". I take what's valuable/necessary to me, load up my car, and haul ass in the opposite direction. If someone told me right now that I had 36 hours to get out of here before the world's largest hurricane/tornado/lightning storm/disaster hit me, I'd be on the road in an hour heading northwest, no doubt about it. If I didn't have money? I'd get to wherever I could and sleep in my damn car. Nothing's more valuable than life and it's ridiculous to think that the reason that people wouldn't leave is because they couldn't get prepared in time. There should be no preparation. You take what you need and you move out.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication.? Come on, dood.? Go find someone who knows and axe somebody.? "Hey, neighbor what's going on?? When's this crap end?"? That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power.? You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part.? Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.? Choose your poison.? I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise).? You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] I'm not trying to start an argument, but have you ever been to an impoverished or 'ghetto' area? Communication isn't exactly open and friendly. I guarantee you that specific details of the evacuation (and hurricane information) were not given to the poorer areas, and that vague descriptions of procedures were doled out. Just a guess, at least. 923018[/snapback] How impoverished are we talking about here? I mean I've been to one of the poorest regions in the world in a small little village in the Uxpanapa Valley of deep Mexico, so I have a small idea of waht impoverished is like..... I mean its not like this wasnt all over the entire news...you would think there would be at least one person in your family that would catch a bit of news...hey this huge hurricane is coming, we better do something about it...and ya the media 'blacked' out the poorer areas from communication. even the newspapers 'mentioned' this little storm approaching in the sunday editions. I'm sorry but I dont buy the 'they had no clue what was going on excuse' 923036[/snapback] It's not about having 'no' clue. It's about knowing vaguely what to do in those circumstances. Like I said, due to poor future tracking, the people of the area had less than 48 hours (more like 36) to get their sh*t together. Obviously, most people had somewhere else to go. Some people (a lot) didn't know exactly what to do, rather than not knowing what's going on. 923042[/snapback] If I'm given 36 hours, I don't take my sweet ass time "getting my s*** together". I take what's valuable/necessary to me, load up my car, and haul ass in the opposite direction. If someone told me right now that I had 36 hours to get out of here before the world's largest hurricane/tornado/lightning storm/disaster hit me, I'd be on the road in an hour heading northwest, no doubt about it. If I didn't have money? I'd get to wherever I could and sleep in my damn car. Nothing's more valuable than life and it's ridiculous to think that the reason that people wouldn't leave is because they couldn't get prepared in time. There should be no preparation. You take what you need and you move out. 923052[/snapback] That's not a luxury available to all people. Like I said before, unless you've lived in a poorer area, you can't relate. You just can't.
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