August 31, 200521 yr Really, it's tough for me to relate with the people who could have evacuated and didn't. Except for the elderly and the kids, I almost have no reason to feel sorry about this. But look at the bright side... None of us are dyin'. Don't live below sea-level. I'm just evac-u-hatin'. 922955[/snapback] What about people that didn't have enough money? They deserve to die for being poor? 922979[/snapback] Transportation was free on Sunday. F-R-E-E. Homeless homies could have gotten out. 922985[/snapback] Ill re-state my previous post to you... What about handicapped? What about those with no transportation and those cut off from communication? What about those who werent in areas that they sent evacuation crews to?
August 31, 200521 yr Really, it's tough for me to relate with the people who could have evacuated and didn't.? Except for the elderly and the kids, I almost have no reason to feel sorry about this. But look at the bright side... None of us are dyin'. Don't live below sea-level.? I'm just evac-u-hatin'. 922955[/snapback] What about people that didn't have enough money? They deserve to die for being poor? 922979[/snapback] Transportation was free on Sunday. F-R-E-E. Homeless homies could have gotten out. 922985[/snapback] Ill re-state my previous post to you... What about handicapped? What about those with no transportation and those cut off from communication? What about those who werent in areas that they sent evacuation crews to? 922987[/snapback] Is it a tragedy? Yes. If the handicap got some helpers, then wheel them to the buses. If you're not in a area where evac crews are, get to one. Also, there are other lines of communication. How about some human interaction? Darwinism. But, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
August 31, 200521 yr Buckeye strikes again. I think he makes these types of posts on purpose just to stir up trouble.
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters. there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm. You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter.
August 31, 200521 yr This is probably the wrong time to say it but, I don't neccessarily disagree on the most basic of levels either. If I knew I was in a situation where I couldn't get out of town when there's a hurricane. I wouldn't live where there are hurricanes You're supposed to find an environment that's best suited for your survival, that's adaptation and natural selection. If you can't afford to make the neccessary precautions to avoid something like this, then you move somewhere where something like this doesn't occur. I mean, these are the basic tenants of survival. It sounds harsh to say it, but is it not true?
August 31, 200521 yr The reason people didn't evacuate was because they weren't ready...I've said it before and I'll say it again: hurricane trackers were dead wrong. Up until last Friday, the storm was supposed to turn to the north just off the Florida coast...But it kept drifting more and more west, giving it more time to strengthen and veer up toward NO. Friday was the first time that the weather experts really understood the depth of the situation. What was considered a weakening cat 1 storm suddenly reared into a massive cat 5 storm (within 24 hours). By the time the gulf residents got warning of this change, there was less than two days to prepare. Some people take longer than others, and arrangements can't always be made. I could go on and explain why some people needed more time than was given, but it's pointless (it's been mentioned before). The point is this--Regardless of whether they had a chance to leave, they didn't. Nobody could have guessed that something this tragic and monumental could have happened, and you can't fault someone for not predicting a 20 foot flood in their hometown. It's hard to just get up and leave on a whim, especially when everything around you is havoc and hectic.
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters. there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm. You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter. 922994[/snapback] You are the common man though, you have to think outside the box. You can not tell me that all people, and especially those in povery were listening to all the latest updates on the radio or television. I know that in the projects, not everyone has access to communication. So no, not everyone knew where to go or what to do. And I am sure there are areas where evacuation crews could not/didnt get to, and that people had no way to get to a spot where they could leave or had no idea where one was.
August 31, 200521 yr Really, it's tough for me to relate with the people who could have evacuated and didn't. Except for the elderly and the kids, I almost have no reason to feel sorry about this. But look at the bright side... None of us are dyin'. Don't live below sea-level. I'm just evac-u-hatin'. 922955[/snapback] What about people that didn't have enough money? They deserve to die for being poor? 922979[/snapback] Transportation was free on Sunday. F-R-E-E. Homeless homies could have gotten out. 922985[/snapback] I'm sure they could move 1/8 of a major metropolitan area in an afternoon.
August 31, 200521 yr This is probably the wrong time to say it but, I don't neccessarily disagree on the most basic of levels either. If I knew I was in a situation where I couldn't get out of town when there's a hurricane. I wouldn't live where there are hurricanes You're supposed to find an environment that's best suited for your survival, that's adaptation and natural selection. If you can't afford to make the neccessary precautions to avoid something like this, then you move somewhere where something like this doesn't occur. I mean, these are the basic tenants of survival. It sounds harsh to say it, but is it not true? 922996[/snapback] If not a hurricane, then a blizzard. If not a blizzard, then a drought. If not a drought (sp?), then a flood... It's all relative. You can't escape mother nature. The chances of a hurricane this size hitting NO are probably the same as winning the lottery. How does something so strong get into the Gulf? I'm not expert, but the conditions are highly unlikely in any scenario.
August 31, 200521 yr This is probably the wrong time to say it but, I don't neccessarily disagree on the most basic of levels either. If I knew I was in a situation where I couldn't get out of town when there's a hurricane. I wouldn't live where there are hurricanes You're supposed to find an environment that's best suited for your survival, that's adaptation and natural selection. If you can't afford to make the neccessary precautions to avoid something like this, then you move somewhere where something like this doesn't occur. I mean, these are the basic tenants of survival. It sounds harsh to say it, but is it not true? 922996[/snapback] So one of your top priorities of where to live should be the possibility that natural disaster can strike? Not everyone gets to 'choose' where they live. Anywhere you live you have the possibility of getting killed or losing your living because of natural disaster.
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters. there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm. You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter. 922994[/snapback] You are the common man though, you have to think outside the box. You can not tell me that all people, and especially those in povery were listening to all the latest updates on the radio or television. I know that in the projects, not everyone has access to communication. So no, not everyone knew where to go or what to do. And I am sure there are areas where evacuation crews could not/didnt get to, and that people had no way to get to a spot where they could leave or had no idea where one was. 922999[/snapback] so i guess this is really all poverty's fault? always a wise idea to have no damn clue of whats going on in your neighborhood...i mean i can understand having no clue going on in the world...and same thing with national news kinda...but come on ... did people have no clue when we invaded Iraq? Are we supposed to hold everyone by the hand and say right this way Charlie..... Again I say it comes down more to stupidity more than lack of means....you cant blame it all on poverty...
August 31, 200521 yr Really, it's tough for me to relate with the people who could have evacuated and didn't. Except for the elderly and the kids, I almost have no reason to feel sorry about this. But look at the bright side... None of us are dyin'. Don't live below sea-level. I'm just evac-u-hatin'. 922955[/snapback] What about people that didn't have enough money? They deserve to die for being poor? 922979[/snapback] Transportation was free on Sunday. F-R-E-E. Homeless homies could have gotten out. 922985[/snapback] I'm sure they could move 1/8 of a major metropolitan area in an afternoon. 923001[/snapback] ya might as well wait until they tell you MUST leave...lets ignore the you should leave now warnings that occured on saturday.
August 31, 200521 yr The point is this--Regardless of whether they had a chance to leave, they didn't. Nobody could have guessed that something this tragic and monumental could have happened, and you can't fault someone for not predicting a 20 foot flood in their hometown. It's hard to just get up and leave on a whim, especially when everything around you is havoc and hectic. 922997[/snapback] Ya cause there are more important things than living.
August 31, 200521 yr This is probably the wrong time to say it but, I don't neccessarily disagree on the most basic of levels either. If I knew I was in a situation where I couldn't get out of town when there's a hurricane. I wouldn't live where there are hurricanes You're supposed to find an environment that's best suited for your survival, that's adaptation and natural selection. If you can't afford to make the neccessary precautions to avoid something like this, then you move somewhere where something like this doesn't occur. I mean, these are the basic tenants of survival. It sounds harsh to say it, but is it not true? 922996[/snapback] So one of your top priorities of where to live should be the possibility that natural disaster can strike? Not everyone gets to 'choose' where they live. Anywhere you live you have the possibility of getting killed or losing your living because of natural disaster. 923004[/snapback] Actually, Passion, yes, everyone does get to 'choose' where they want to live, maybe not house by house, but on the most basic level, every person in this country or any kind of sound mind and/or body (that isn't a criminal) has the choice of where they want to live. I guess all I'm saying is if I lived in a place like New Orleans I would have some kind of plan in place to get out. That's me. Is it fair to say I can't neccessarily relate to being poor? Sure it is. Any way you slice it, it sucks.
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters.? there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm.? You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter. 922994[/snapback] You are the common man though, you have to think outside the box. You can not tell me that all people, and especially those in povery were listening to all the latest updates on the radio or television. I know that in the projects, not everyone has access to communication. So no, not everyone knew where to go or what to do. And I am sure there are areas where evacuation crews could not/didnt get to, and that people had no way to get to a spot where they could leave or had no idea where one was. 922999[/snapback] so i guess this is really all poverty's fault? always a wise idea to have no damn clue of whats going on in your neighborhood...i mean i can understand having no clue going on in the world...and same thing with national news kinda...but come on ... did people have no clue when we invaded Iraq? Are we supposed to hold everyone by the hand and say right this way Charlie..... Again I say it comes down more to stupidity more than lack of means....you cant blame it all on poverty... 923006[/snapback] I really think a decision like this is more than 'common sense'. I've known people that are a little 'slow' in terms of understanding certain situations. Sometimes people just don't grasp the gravity of pending disaster. Most of those people in NO have never even heard of such a huge storm. Some city official giving them less than 48 hours to 'leave' their homes with the possibility of never seeing it again?? Is that an easy decision to make?
August 31, 200521 yr The point is this--Regardless of whether they had a chance to leave, they didn't. Nobody could have guessed that something this tragic and monumental could have happened, and you can't fault someone for not predicting a 20 foot flood in their hometown. It's hard to just get up and leave on a whim, especially when everything around you is havoc and hectic. 922997[/snapback] Ya cause there are more important things than living. 923009[/snapback] You need to scratch the surface on this issue. It's not as simple as 'living or dying'.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind.
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters. there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm. You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter. 922994[/snapback] You are the common man though, you have to think outside the box. You can not tell me that all people, and especially those in povery were listening to all the latest updates on the radio or television. I know that in the projects, not everyone has access to communication. So no, not everyone knew where to go or what to do. And I am sure there are areas where evacuation crews could not/didnt get to, and that people had no way to get to a spot where they could leave or had no idea where one was. 922999[/snapback] so i guess this is really all poverty's fault? always a wise idea to have no damn clue of whats going on in your neighborhood...i mean i can understand having no clue going on in the world...and same thing with national news kinda...but come on ... did people have no clue when we invaded Iraq? Are we supposed to hold everyone by the hand and say right this way Charlie..... Again I say it comes down more to stupidity more than lack of means....you cant blame it all on poverty... 923006[/snapback] I really think a decision like this is more than 'common sense'. I've known people that are a little 'slow' in terms of understanding certain situations. Sometimes people just don't grasp the gravity of pending disaster. Most of those people in NO have never even heard of such a huge storm. Some city official giving them less than 48 hours to 'leave' their homes with the possibility of never seeing it again?? Is that an easy decision to make? 923011[/snapback] ya it comes down to the stupid materialism ideal of America and obviously we might as well just say this then... material > life
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters. there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm. You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter. 922994[/snapback] You are the common man though, you have to think outside the box. You can not tell me that all people, and especially those in povery were listening to all the latest updates on the radio or television. I know that in the projects, not everyone has access to communication. So no, not everyone knew where to go or what to do. And I am sure there are areas where evacuation crews could not/didnt get to, and that people had no way to get to a spot where they could leave or had no idea where one was. 922999[/snapback] so i guess this is really all poverty's fault? always a wise idea to have no damn clue of whats going on in your neighborhood...i mean i can understand having no clue going on in the world...and same thing with national news kinda...but come on ... did people have no clue when we invaded Iraq? Are we supposed to hold everyone by the hand and say right this way Charlie..... Again I say it comes down more to stupidity more than lack of means....you cant blame it all on poverty... 923006[/snapback] Im not and will never be for holding peoples hands, by now you should know my political beliefs that i wouldnt be about that. That being said, you again, have to take yourself out of the box. Take Texas for example (something you and i can both easily relate to). You know that there are plenty of backwoods, and rural areas around big cities where these people are somewhat cut off from the world. I think we had alot of those same situations. Do you really think that Hobo Bob who makes his home outside NO, really knew exactly what was going around on Weather.com? He is probably more worried on suriving on a day to day basis and gives no thought/doesnt even think about what hed have to do during a huge hurricane. Im saying you cant say people deserved to die, were worthless, just because they didnt have the means, knowledge, or grasp at the situation at hand. You take the computer, tv, and radio for granted. Many people dont have that luxury.
August 31, 200521 yr The point is this--Regardless of whether they had a chance to leave, they didn't. Nobody could have guessed that something this tragic and monumental could have happened, and you can't fault someone for not predicting a 20 foot flood in their hometown. It's hard to just get up and leave on a whim, especially when everything around you is havoc and hectic. 922997[/snapback] Ya cause there are more important things than living. 923009[/snapback] You need to scratch the surface on this issue. It's not as simple as 'living or dying'. 923013[/snapback] so what is the issue?
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] I'm not trying to start an argument, but have you ever been to an impoverished or 'ghetto' area? Communication isn't exactly open and friendly. I guarantee you that specific details of the evacuation (and hurricane information) were not given to the poorer areas, and that vague descriptions of procedures were doled out. Just a guess, at least.
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters.? there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm.? You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter. 922994[/snapback] You are the common man though, you have to think outside the box. You can not tell me that all people, and especially those in povery were listening to all the latest updates on the radio or television. I know that in the projects, not everyone has access to communication. So no, not everyone knew where to go or what to do. And I am sure there are areas where evacuation crews could not/didnt get to, and that people had no way to get to a spot where they could leave or had no idea where one was. 922999[/snapback] so i guess this is really all poverty's fault? always a wise idea to have no damn clue of whats going on in your neighborhood...i mean i can understand having no clue going on in the world...and same thing with national news kinda...but come on ... did people have no clue when we invaded Iraq? Are we supposed to hold everyone by the hand and say right this way Charlie..... Again I say it comes down more to stupidity more than lack of means....you cant blame it all on poverty... 923006[/snapback] I really think a decision like this is more than 'common sense'. I've known people that are a little 'slow' in terms of understanding certain situations. Sometimes people just don't grasp the gravity of pending disaster. Most of those people in NO have never even heard of such a huge storm. Some city official giving them less than 48 hours to 'leave' their homes with the possibility of never seeing it again?? Is that an easy decision to make? 923011[/snapback] ya it comes down to the stupid materialism ideal of America and obviously we might as well just say this then... material > life 923015[/snapback] It's both, bro. Some people don't have anything but their possessions. It's a fairy tale belief, but sometimes 'having each other' doesn't solve the problems of financial instability.
August 31, 200521 yr I don't buy that "in the projects" stuff Passion, because no matter how poor the area is you can't say NO ONE has any outside lines of communication. Come on, dood. Go find someone who knows and axe somebody. "Hey, neighbor what's going on? When's this crap end?" That's what we did last year's blizzard when we went seven days wifout power. You find out through people. And people not being able to choose where they live is the natural selection part. Sucks to say, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Choose your poison. I choose blizzards because I can stand the freezing cold and we have ways to effectively counter that (everyone around here has SOME kind of kerosene heater or otherwise). You can't fight big gusts of wind. 923014[/snapback] Again, not everyone has the means to move or moving would not be a good move for someone. Random example: Tom is a tobacco farmer in North Carolina. He was raised a farmer, and this is what he knows how to do. Its his life, its what he knows. But North Carolina gets hit by hurricanes...Oklahoma doesnt, so is going to Michigan with no way to make a living better then living where he can make a living but has to deal with the hurricane?
August 31, 200521 yr Man, you guys are insulting the poor here. So, they're all dumb, they all hate each other and now they're out of touch with reality because they have no effective means of communication? OUCH.
August 31, 200521 yr i'm going to defend Buckeye here for a minute sorta....afterward I'm going to go puke, but.... transportation was free on sunday to shelters. there was no communication cut off or transportation stopped until 6pm. You had all day to pack up and get out of your homes... Yes these people are poor...yes some are handicapped...but i'm sure all of these people have at least a radio and if they had 1/8 a brain they could figure out that some huge storm was comign to destroy NOLA, i mean it was only at 175 mph winds on sunday...they didnt go over that enough...and its not like they had anything else on for entertainment on sunday.... there really was no excuse to stay in your home...other than having less than no brain. i'd say those that are being evacuated are more stupid/stubborn than incapable of leaving...at the very least to a shelter. 922994[/snapback] You are the common man though, you have to think outside the box. You can not tell me that all people, and especially those in povery were listening to all the latest updates on the radio or television. I know that in the projects, not everyone has access to communication. So no, not everyone knew where to go or what to do. And I am sure there are areas where evacuation crews could not/didnt get to, and that people had no way to get to a spot where they could leave or had no idea where one was. 922999[/snapback] so i guess this is really all poverty's fault? always a wise idea to have no damn clue of whats going on in your neighborhood...i mean i can understand having no clue going on in the world...and same thing with national news kinda...but come on ... did people have no clue when we invaded Iraq? Are we supposed to hold everyone by the hand and say right this way Charlie..... Again I say it comes down more to stupidity more than lack of means....you cant blame it all on poverty... 923006[/snapback] Im not and will never be for holding peoples hands, by now you should know my political beliefs that i wouldnt be about that. That being said, you again, have to take yourself out of the box. Take Texas for example (something you and i can both easily relate to). You know that there are plenty of backwoods, and rural areas around big cities where these people are somewhat cut off from the world. I think we had alot of those same situations. Do you really think that Hobo Bob who makes his home outside NO, really knew exactly what was going around on Weather.com? He is probably more worried on suriving on a day to day basis and gives no thought/doesnt even think about what hed have to do during a huge hurricane. Im saying you cant say people deserved to die, were worthless, just because they didnt have the means, knowledge, or grasp at the situation at hand. You take the computer, tv, and radio for granted. Many people dont have that luxury. 923016[/snapback] i'm not saying these people deserved to die...i'm just saying they should have been able to get out in time...and we arent necessarily talking about homeless people....and these people you cant really compare to those living out in podunk texas....they live in metro NOLA, or at least did. Unless you are totally blind to the world around you, you had an idea of what was going on. Whether or not you chose to do anything about it is your choice...but you cant simply say these people were totally unprepared and all. It would be one thing if we are talking about some podunk place...we arent. I'm sure even the idiots in West side San Antonio would at least be aware of some huge event occuring if given 48 hours notice.
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