you dont win when you rotate qbs in a game.

 

 

i've seen it fail way too many times.

 

 

it failed again last night.

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See Miami-FSU version 2005

F*CK!!!

 

- Me, 9-10-05 exiting Ohio Stadium

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Despite the outcome not going the way you wanted it to, you saw an absolute classic game between 2 powerhouses, if that helps at all.

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No, because the better team didnt win (someone argue this, I dare you) and to top it off the school I go to has a little rivalry with Texas as well, so I had to root twice as hard against the queer steers.

 

Mack Brown was a Tar Hole too....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Bang*

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Scoreboard.

 

More yards overall.

Double the passing yards.

More rushing yards.

More first downs.

Overcame 2 extra turnovers.

Overcame the fact that OSU has never lost in that stadium at night.

Had a better time of posession.

Had less penalties.

 

Yeah I see how this was all a fluke. :plain Lie to yourself much?

F*CK!!!

 

- Me, 9-10-05 exiting Ohio Stadium

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Despite the outcome not going the way you wanted it to, you saw an absolute classic game between 2 powerhouses, if that helps at all.

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No, because the better team didnt win (someone argue this, I dare you) and to top it off the school I go to has a little rivalry with Texas as well, so I had to root twice as hard against the queer steers.

 

Mack Brown was a Tar Hole too....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Bang*

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I have a story from the game for you Passion, might help you, might not...

 

I'm in the student section with the crew I go to games with. The two guys in front of us, the whole game just stand there and have their arms crossed. No "O-H!" when they're supposed to, no "I-O" when they're supposed to. They didn't "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh-H-I-O" during kickoffs either. And they're just standing there, even during big plays. They're both wearing Ohio State stuff, I figure they like the team or something, right? Maybe they're out of state students, who knows?

 

So, my friend starts getting to their level and yelling and just keeps going off and hating. I'm ignoring them because I'm into the game, but my friend is pissed. So, the game goes on and they just KEEP standing there. Not cheering touchdowns, nothing. I start to notice it, too, because I can't help it now. The fact that my friend keeps pointing it out and doing his best to "ungay" them isn't helping.

 

So, end of the game. Texas gets a touchdown. One of them pumps his fist, opens up his phone, which has the Florida Gator emblem as it's wallpaper and calls someone. Man, I was pissed. How the hell are you going to get a student ticket, go to the game, be lame all game and then be an even BIGGER buster by wearing OSU stuff and pretending to support the team when you're rooting for Texas. I wanted to knock those kids out.

 

I hope. HOPE. HOPE. They're in the real student section when the season starts (this was a preseason game, so the students got juggled a bit and we were in the middle section) and near me again. Because I might just go off.

No, because the better team didnt win (someone argue this, I dare you)941667[/snapback]

Scoreboard.

 

More yards overall.

Double the passing yards.

More rushing yards.

More first downs.

Overcame 2 extra turnovers.

Overcame the fact that OSU has never lost in that stadium at night.

Had a better time of posession.

Had less penalties.

 

Yeah I see how this was all a fluke. :plain Lie to yourself much?

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I didnt say it was a fluke, a win is a win is a win.

 

You listed off all those stats, and yet Ohio State was still just a field goal away from ending the game with two minutes left, so Texas could have done all that, and still lost the game. OSU had 5 field goals, 3 of which could have been TDs if the execution was a tad better. The 3 Texas fans by me and my brother and father in the stadium even conceded that Texas was outplayed and lucky they got that win. That's saying something coming from one of the most arrogant and boastful fan bases in the country.

No, because the better team didnt win (someone argue this, I dare you)941667[/snapback]

Scoreboard.

 

More yards overall.

Double the passing yards.

More rushing yards.

More first downs.

Overcame 2 extra turnovers.

Overcame the fact that OSU has never lost in that stadium at night.

Had a better time of posession.

Had less penalties.

 

Yeah I see how this was all a fluke. :plain Lie to yourself much?

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I didnt say it was a fluke, a win is a win is a win.

 

You listed off all those stats, and yet Ohio State was still just a field goal away from ending the game with two minutes left, so Texas could have done all that, and still lost the game. OSU had 5 field goals, 3 of which could have been TDs if the execution was a tad better. The 3 Texas fans by me and my brother and father in the stadium even conceded that Texas was outplayed and lucky they got that win. That's saying something coming from one of the most arrogant and boastful fan bases in the country.

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So how is it the better team did not win? You are basing this on the fact that some Texas fans said that they thought they were going to lose? Maybe they thought they got out played but the only stat that really supports that is the turnover battle, which depending how you take it, on those 3 turnovers OSU only got 9 points out of them.

 

The only time you can argue the better team didn't win is when it is complete dominantion by one team and they lose by a few points because of a flurry of fluke fumbles, horrible officiating, or something else along those lines. And so what if OSU was a fg away, it shows that Texas was able to over come their own miscues and pull it together at the end. The old, better OSU, would not have lost to a team who gave up 3 turnovers to their 1.

We were due that loss.

 

In the past the Buckeyes had come through on those situations. It sucks to say, but it was a team effort and we lost like a team.

 

Both Zwick and Smith must shoulder the blame, as well as the defense for stupid penalties, allowing Texas to drive down the field and get those field goals. Also, Hamby had a part in that, dropping a for sure TD catch. There was the missed field goal. And yes, the two QB situation sucks. Poor clock management by Tressel. Team effort. Team loss. No one player can shoulder this.

 

It was a good game. I'm glad I was there. The outcome sucked, but we're the best team in the Big Ten. Of that I'm convinced.

We were due that loss.

 

In the past the Buckeyes had come through on those situations. It sucks to say, but it was a team effort and we lost like a team.

 

Both Zwick and Smith must shoulder the blame, as well as the defense for stupid penalties, allowing Texas to drive down the field and get those field goals. Also, Hamby had a part in that, dropping a for sure TD catch. There was the missed field goal. And yes, the two QB situation sucks. Poor clock management by Tressel. Team effort. Team loss. No one player can shoulder this.

 

It was a good game. I'm glad I was there. The outcome sucked, but we're the best team in the Big Ten. Of that I'm convinced.

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Im sorry, but I wont put any of the loss on the defense. I cant ask the D to come up with anymore stops then they did.

If we would have just left Troy Smith in the game and quit screwing around, we would have won that game.

 

Why you take out the QB that brought you back from 10-0 is beyond me.

 

Live and learn. *shrugs* We're still going to win the conference. There's not one team in the conference that is going to be able to do much against our defense. The Iowa game will be fun, but it's a revenge game at home. Going to Penn State is never easy, but we're still better than them. Then the trip to Ann Arbor.

 

Losing is never fun, but I saw tons of bright spots. Antonio Pittman is turning into a stud, our offensive line is really coming together, we just have to improve the play calling a little bit (we did too many things in bunches) and pick a QB.

 

The defense is sick. We won't face a better offense than Texas the rest of the regular season.

 

Win out, win the Big 10 title, let the rest of the chips fall where they may.

 

I know one thing...

 

it would suck to be San Diego State this weekend.

If we would have just left Troy Smith in the game and quit screwing around, we would have won that game.

 

Why you take out the QB that brought you back from 10-0 is beyond me.

 

Live and learn. *shrugs* We're still going to win the conference. There's not one team in the conference that is going to be able to do much against our defense. The Iowa game will be fun, but it's a revenge game at home. Going to Penn State is never easy, but we're still better than them. Then the trip to Ann Arbor.

 

Losing is never fun, but I saw tons of bright spots. Antonio Pittman is turning into a stud, our offensive line is really coming together, we just have to improve the play calling a little bit (we did too many things in bunches) and pick a QB.

 

The defense is sick. We won't face a better offense than Texas the rest of the regular season.

 

Win out, win the Big 10 title, let the rest of the chips fall where they may.

 

I know one thing...

 

it would suck to be San Diego State this weekend.

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I must say I agree with every word of that. To be honest, I thought Iowa had the best team in the Big 10, but ironically in defeat, Ohio State convinced me they have the best team in the Big 10.

 

Just quit screwing around with Zwick and let Smith have the keys and don't look back, and Ohio State has a great shot at winning out.

What is sad/scary is that John Cooper is somewhere laughing his ass off while Stanley Jackson shines his shoes, Bret Powers gets him his afternoon tea, and Kent Graham dusts off the lampshade.

 

:banghead

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Scoreboard.

 

More yards overall.

Double the passing yards.

More rushing yards.

More first downs.

Overcame 2 extra turnovers.

Overcame the fact that OSU has never lost in that stadium at night.

Had a better time of posession.

Had less penalties.

 

Yeah I see how this was all a fluke. :plain Lie to yourself much?

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I didnt say it was a fluke, a win is a win is a win.

 

You listed off all those stats, and yet Ohio State was still just a field goal away from ending the game with two minutes left, so Texas could have done all that, and still lost the game. OSU had 5 field goals, 3 of which could have been TDs if the execution was a tad better. The 3 Texas fans by me and my brother and father in the stadium even conceded that Texas was outplayed and lucky they got that win. That's saying something coming from one of the most arrogant and boastful fan bases in the country.

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I really don't know how you can claim this Passion without being able to see it another way. To say someone argue this, kind of hinting that there is no logical way to in kind of ridiculous.

 

I watched the game and came away with the impression that Texas was the better team.

 

You say OSU had 5 FGs and 3 of which could have been TDs. Yet, you fail to mention how terrible the offense looked. You guys had 1 drive the entire game that was over 50 yards. One. 3 of the 5 FGs were of combined drives of 55 yards, an average of 18.3 yards per scoring drive on those.

 

Texas on the other hand, had 4 drives of 63 yards or longer and easily could have scored more than they did as well. They got stopped on the first drive after going 64 yards. They arguably could have had a TD has the play been reviewed in the 4th quarter when they went for it on 4th and 1 from the OSU 1. They also could have most likely put up more points on the board instead of sitting on the ball to finish the game as well after the Smith saftey.

 

To be honest with you, after watching the game, I came away with the impression OSU was lucky to even be in the game at the end, and this was a home game to boot. In my eyes, if this was in Texas there would have been even less of a contest and the better team clearly won on that night.

Texas was the superior team in your opinion yet with the Ohio State offense being as poor as you claim, Texas lost a 10-0 lead to start the game and had to complete a game winning drive to pull off the win?

Texas was the superior team in your opinion yet with the Ohio State offense being as poor as you claim, Texas lost a 10-0 lead to start the game and had to complete a game winning drive to pull off the win?

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Yes, I don't see what is so wrong with this statement.

 

Texas turned the ball over on sloppy play. I believe even one of the INTs was tipped by a Texas player. OSU offense had one nice scoring drive, when Troy Smith entered the game. However, did not do much of anything IMO before or after that. 9 of their points came off of 3 drives that totaled a combined 55 yards. That is nothing to write home about.

 

I said previously, OSU, IMO, was lucky that the game was that close. I felt from watching the game, UT was clearly the better team and just did not capitalize many times and made too many mental mistakes, allowing for the game to be closer than it should have been. Additionally, after they took the lead, they could have made the game a lot less close than the score shows as well but one close call and one time of wasting the clock did not accomplish that.

 

I am not sure if you are trying to state the OSU offense looked good, but if you are, you should re-watch the tape or check the stats and tell me where I am misinformed.

Again, as bad as the OSU offense was, Texas lost a lead and had to come back and then have a closing drive in the final minutes to win (If Huston hits the 50 yarder, this conversation doesnt even happen, btw).

 

I like how you say the turnovers were self inflicted by Texas and give no credit to Ohio State. And the tipped interception was tipped by AJ Hawk, not a Texas player.

 

OSU had a lackadasial offense, didnt execute, played the QB hokey pokey, and yet were still a 50 yard field goal away from winning.

 

OSU being in such a position to win says alot more about the Buckeyes that they could play so poorly on one side of the ball and still were in better shape to win the game then Texas was.

Again, as bad as the OSU offense was, Texas lost a lead and had to come back and then have a closing drive in the final minutes to win (If Huston hits the 50 yarder, this conversation doesnt even happen, btw).

 

I like how you say the turnovers were self inflicted by Texas and give no credit to Ohio State. And the tipped interception was tipped by AJ Hawk, not a Texas player.

 

OSU had a lackadasial offense, didnt execute, played the QB hokey pokey, and yet were still a 50 yard field goal away from winning.

 

OSU being in such a position to win says alot more about the Buckeyes that they could play so poorly on one side of the ball and still were in better shape to win the game then Texas was.

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I said one turnover was tipped by their own player. The LBs did well for the most part and I was impressed with Hawk and Carpenter. You say if the 50 yarder happens we dont talk about this. Maybe, but then if the ref gives the longhorns the TD on 4 and 1 on the questionable call or if Mack doesn't sit on the ball maybe we don't have this either and the score looks like a blowout.

 

OSUs defense is what even gave them a chance. Me saying their offense was not good is not an opinion, watch the tape, it's a fact. The stats don't lie. Texas pretty much dominated the game on both ends. OSU was lucky the score was close. The stats and the game tape did not lie. If UTs turnovers happened in OSU territory, they might not have even reached double digit points in the game. That is how pitiful their offense looked and for you to defend the offense after watching the game shows why this is a pointless argument and which team you are a fan of.

I am a UM fan and I feel we outplayed FSU. You may not agree with me and maybe I only see it that way because I am a UM fan. That is the way I feel about this argument with you.

Our coaching cost us that game, not our players.

 

It's really that simple.

 

The coaches job is to put the players in the best situation to succeed and they didn't do that. They'll learn from it.