GUYS.....EVERYONE IS LEAVING!!!!!

 

Why keep around ONE expensive player if you're already dumping everyone other expensive player? it makes NO sense. So we keep Lo Duca, and then what - instead of winning 70 games, we win 73? how does that make any sense whatsoever?

 

Lo Duca is gone. Pierre is gone. What more does this team have to do to get their point across - they are dumping anyone that earns any kind of salary, period. The End. Everyone needs to start moving on from these guys, and start getting pumped for the new blood.

 

 

Why trade for young prospect pitchers if you can't develop them? Look, I am not saying that a guy like Petit, or Sanchez, or any other young pitcher for the Marlins ABSOLUTELY NEED LoDuca, but I can guarantee you that if LoDuca is behind the plate instead of a young catcher, our young pitchers will develop faster and be more efficient. I understand the Marlins are cutting costs, but you have to put money into your investments. Sure 6 mil per year is alot, but dont you think the Marlins, even with their financial woes, would be willing to give up 6 mil/ year if it mean that say 3 of the young pitchers we received or pitchers already in our farm system turn out to be like a Beckett, Burnett, Willis, or Penny? Its obvious this team is looking into the future, and I believe the best way for the Marlins to have a great future is to develop their young pitchers as best as possible, and that means keeping LoDuca.

 

 

You're missing the point of this whole thing tho, Brandman. You're acting like this "fire sale" has an element of strategy to it. It's not like the Marlins are saying "well, we COULD keep Lo Duca, Lowell, Pierre, and Delgado, but we think that we'll be better in the long run if we trade them away for prospects." This whole thing is being done out of necessity. Want to know how despirate our situation is? To get rid of Lowell's contract (a guy only making roughly $2 million more than Lo Duca next year, by the way), we gave away Josh Beckett basically for free. These are not moves made out of strategy - these are moves made out of necessity. Lo Duca staying around just isn't an option. Neither is Pierre, or Gonzo, neither was Luis, Delgado, Mota, etc.

 

Every contract we signed since 2003 (Delgado, Castillo, Lo Duca, Lowell) was only made possible due to the hope\expectation that a new stadium was coming, and with the new stadium would come new revenue that would allow them to pay off these contracts. Now that the stadium is not happening, none of those contracts make any sense, so they all gotta go.

Don't count on LoDuca being here after next week:

 

And with baseball's annual winter meetings scheduled to begin Monday in Dallas, the team is nowhere near done dealing. This week the Marlins were close to a trade that would have sent All-Star catcher Paul Lo Duca to the Arizona Diamondbacks, and at least four teams remain interested in center fielder Juan Pierre.

 

``Obviously, we've been very active. I would anticipate as we head to Dallas we're going to remain active,'' Marlins general manager Admin Beinfest said. ``We still do have a plan of action, and we're going to follow through on it.''

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Don't count on LoDuca being here after next week:

 

And with baseball's annual winter meetings scheduled to begin Monday in Dallas, the team is nowhere near done dealing. This week the Marlins were close to a trade that would have sent All-Star catcher Paul Lo Duca to the Arizona Diamondbacks, and at least four teams remain interested in center fielder Juan Pierre.

 

``Obviously, we've been very active. I would anticipate as we head to Dallas we're going to remain active,'' Marlins general manager Admin Beinfest said. ``We still do have a plan of action, and we're going to follow through on it.''

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I guess that puts this thread to bed...

GUYS.....EVERYONE IS LEAVING!!!!!

 

Why keep around ONE expensive player if you're already dumping everyone other expensive player? it makes NO sense. So we keep Lo Duca, and then what - instead of winning 70 games, we win 73? how does that make any sense whatsoever?

 

Lo Duca is gone. Pierre is gone. What more does this team have to do to get their point across - they are dumping anyone that earns any kind of salary, period. The End. Everyone needs to start moving on from these guys, and start getting pumped for the new blood.

 

 

Why trade for young prospect pitchers if you can't develop them? Look, I am not saying that a guy like Petit, or Sanchez, or any other young pitcher for the Marlins ABSOLUTELY NEED LoDuca, but I can guarantee you that if LoDuca is behind the plate instead of a young catcher, our young pitchers will develop faster and be more efficient. I understand the Marlins are cutting costs, but you have to put money into your investments. Sure 6 mil per year is alot, but dont you think the Marlins, even with their financial woes, would be willing to give up 6 mil/ year if it mean that say 3 of the young pitchers we received or pitchers already in our farm system turn out to be like a Beckett, Burnett, Willis, or Penny? Its obvious this team is looking into the future, and I believe the best way for the Marlins to have a great future is to develop their young pitchers as best as possible, and that means keeping LoDuca.

 

 

You're missing the point of this whole thing tho, Brandman. You're acting like this "fire sale" has an element of strategy to it. It's not like the Marlins are saying "well, we COULD keep Lo Duca, Lowell, Pierre, and Delgado, but we think that we'll be better in the long run if we trade them away for prospects." This whole thing is being done out of necessity. Want to know how despirate our situation is? To get rid of Lowell's contract (a guy only making roughly $2 million more than Lo Duca next year, by the way), we gave away Josh Beckett basically for free. These are not moves made out of strategy - these are moves made out of necessity. Lo Duca staying around just isn't an option. Neither is Pierre, or Gonzo, neither was Luis, Delgado, Mota, etc.

 

Every contract we signed since 2003 (Delgado, Castillo, Lo Duca, Lowell) was only made possible due to the hope\expectation that a new stadium was coming, and with the new stadium would come new revenue that would allow them to pay off these contracts. Now that the stadium is not happening, none of those contracts make any sense, so they all gotta go.

 

Well obivously there HAS been an element of strategy to this firesale, that much is very clear. With the overwhelming amount of young pitchers being picked up, the Marlins aren't just trading Beckett, Delgado, and everyone else for random players, it is clear the Marlins want to establish another young-strong rotation. Yes, what we got in return for some of these trades arn't the best prospects in the world, but it is almost certain that at least 2 of our new pitchers we got via trades in return will be all-star quality players down the road. I think the Marlins have done a decent job acquiring talent in this firesale, even though it sucks to see all these players get moved.

 

Also, I have to point out again that Paul LoDuca should be kept for 1 reason, our young pitching. The only veteran from last year who could help our young rotation this year besides Beckett was LoDuca All of the trades so far (Beckett, Delgado, Lowell, Castillo, etc.) have made perfect sense to me since there is no reason to keep these guys here and the same can be said about Pierre. LoDuca HOWEVER, is the one and only guy that does make sense to keep not only because of what he will do at the plate, but mainly how he will handle our pitchers. At this point in the Marlins future, the only bright spot is pitching. Having a vet. catcher who can handle young pitchers is a must and LoDuca has already showed that.

 

Makes perfect sense to me. And you can show me all the trade rumors you want, most of the time they don't add up. Yes LoDuca will bring a lot of attention from other teams, but if Pierre gets traded in the folowing week, which I expect, chances of LoDuca also going I believe will go down.

Not to say I doubt you, but, um...this is from rotoworld tonight (not that this was needed to convince me that Lo Duca was gone)

 

The Diamondbacks and Marlins could be close to agreeing to a Paul Lo Duca trade, the Miami Herald reports.

There was no mention of the players going the other way. Even without including the team's top prospects, Arizona has no shortage of inexpensive, major league ready players it can part with for Lo Duca. Included in that list are Greg Aquino, Alex Cintron, Chris Snyder, Scott Hairston, Luis Terrero and Brian Bruney. Dec. 2 - 11:44 pm et

Source: Miami Herald

 

 

 

Personally I'd have rather seen Lo Duca dealt than Castillo, but what's done is done, and it looks like both are going anyway.

Good grief. Not with Arizona. They don't have much to give up.

 

I don't like Snyder, but I guess we'll have to take him, as well as Bruney and Cintron. I would be disappointed with anything less.

Im not impressed with any one from Arizona. Maybe Aquino, but he has been ineffective. NOT WORTH IT!!!!

I just hope Conine is brought back to restore some "leadership."

 

 

I'm not counting on that.....as the same argument could be applied to Castillo, LoDuca and Pierre. The FO seems determined to completely gut the team.

GUYS.....EVERYONE IS LEAVING!!!!!

 

Why keep around ONE expensive player if you're already dumping everyone other expensive player? it makes NO sense. So we keep Lo Duca, and then what - instead of winning 70 games, we win 73? how does that make any sense whatsoever?

 

Lo Duca is gone. Pierre is gone. What more does this team have to do to get their point across - they are dumping anyone that earns any kind of salary, period. The End. Everyone needs to start moving on from these guys, and start getting pumped for the new blood.

 

 

Why trade for young prospect pitchers if you can't develop them? Look, I am not saying that a guy like Petit, or Sanchez, or any other young pitcher for the Marlins ABSOLUTELY NEED LoDuca, but I can guarantee you that if LoDuca is behind the plate instead of a young catcher, our young pitchers will develop faster and be more efficient. I understand the Marlins are cutting costs, but you have to put money into your investments. Sure 6 mil per year is alot, but dont you think the Marlins, even with their financial woes, would be willing to give up 6 mil/ year if it mean that say 3 of the young pitchers we received or pitchers already in our farm system turn out to be like a Beckett, Burnett, Willis, or Penny? Its obvious this team is looking into the future, and I believe the best way for the Marlins to have a great future is to develop their young pitchers as best as possible, and that means keeping LoDuca.

 

 

You're missing the point of this whole thing tho, Brandman. You're acting like this "fire sale" has an element of strategy to it. It's not like the Marlins are saying "well, we COULD keep Lo Duca, Lowell, Pierre, and Delgado, but we think that we'll be better in the long run if we trade them away for prospects." This whole thing is being done out of necessity. Want to know how despirate our situation is? To get rid of Lowell's contract (a guy only making roughly $2 million more than Lo Duca next year, by the way), we gave away Josh Beckett basically for free. These are not moves made out of strategy - these are moves made out of necessity. Lo Duca staying around just isn't an option. Neither is Pierre, or Gonzo, neither was Luis, Delgado, Mota, etc.

 

Every contract we signed since 2003 (Delgado, Castillo, Lo Duca, Lowell) was only made possible due to the hope\expectation that a new stadium was coming, and with the new stadium would come new revenue that would allow them to pay off these contracts. Now that the stadium is not happening, none of those contracts make any sense, so they all gotta go.

 

Well obivously there HAS been an element of strategy to this firesale, that much is very clear. With the overwhelming amount of young pitchers being picked up, the Marlins aren't just trading Beckett, Delgado, and everyone else for random players, it is clear the Marlins want to establish another young-strong rotation. Yes, what we got in return for some of these trades arn't the best prospects in the world, but it is almost certain that at least 2 of our new pitchers we got via trades in return will be all-star quality players down the road. I think the Marlins have done a decent job acquiring talent in this firesale, even though it sucks to see all these players get moved.

 

Also, I have to point out again that Paul LoDuca should be kept for 1 reason, our young pitching. The only veteran from last year who could help our young rotation this year besides Beckett was LoDuca All of the trades so far (Beckett, Delgado, Lowell, Castillo, etc.) have made perfect sense to me since there is no reason to keep these guys here and the same can be said about Pierre. LoDuca HOWEVER, is the one and only guy that does make sense to keep not only because of what he will do at the plate, but mainly how he will handle our pitchers. At this point in the Marlins future, the only bright spot is pitching. Having a vet. catcher who can handle young pitchers is a must and LoDuca has already showed that.

 

Makes perfect sense to me. And you can show me all the trade rumors you want, most of the time they don't add up. Yes LoDuca will bring a lot of attention from other teams, but if Pierre gets traded in the folowing week, which I expect, chances of LoDuca also going I believe will go down.

 

 

You keep talking in terms of what the team "should" do. "should" plays no part in this. Of course the Marlins got the best offers they could for Delgado and Beckett....but do you really think that, at the end of the day, if the Mets had said "you're not getting Petit and that's final", the Marlins would have said "well, i guess we're keeping Delgado then!" Heck no. they needed to move Carlos, just like they need to move Lo Duca, and that's why neither will be Fish next year.

 

But listen - you're entitled to hope that Lo Duca sticks around, more power to you.