February 9, 200620 yr I would take Cabrera over any player on the Mets roster.....that being said I have to agree with the Mets fan. The Mets are at least 25 games better than the Marlins.
February 9, 200620 yr Cabrera is better than anyone on either team, end of story. Pierre and Reyes are essentially the same player, and even as bad as Pierre was last year, his batting average and OBP numbers were still better than Reyes'. If Beltran has a 2006 akin to his 2005, I'd take Castillo, at least Castillo can hit .300 regularly. What has Diaz done at the major league level? .257 12 homeruns in part time? Over a full season, we're talking about 20 homeruns and 70 something RBI, sounds a lot like Encarnacion to me. The only position the Mets have convincingly over the Marlins is Floyd over Lowell.
February 9, 200620 yr Forget the lineup, the Mets rotation is uber-shaky. Your #2 guy is Tom Glavine? It isn't 1994 anymore. Pedro's toe is a concern but when your rotation hinges on Trachsel (old), Glavine (older), Zambrano (Doesn't know what a strike zone is) & Heilman (one decent season with alot of craptacular ones), you have to be really concerned about that.
February 9, 200620 yr Eh, I'll even side with the Mets on the pitching staff over the course of the season, or at least call it a draw. The Marlins had an incredibly talented staff in '05, but really didn't produce. It was Dontrelle, Beckett and then league average (or, really below in many cases) from everywhere else. As good as Dontrelle was, AJ, Moehler, Leiter and Valdez all negated any positive impact. Pedro doesn't have the stuff (anymore) that Beckett and Burnett possess, but Pedro gets it done. So if Pedro and Glavine combine for 55-60 starts and 35 or more wins, I don't think the Mets will complain. And the only thing that matters in baseball are results. They have a horrible setup for a playoff series, but we're just talking regular season here.
February 9, 200620 yr The Nationals only marginally improved the league's worst offense last year, and seriously stripped themselves of any pitching depth. The bullpen, which is great, will likely due to fall back some. Overall, they've worsened themselves. I am not sure the Marlins did. In practice, our 2005 team was pretty unspectacular while the Nationals overachieved
February 9, 200620 yr And we're surrounding LoDuca and Delgado with better talent than you had on offense last season. One of the most ridiculous over-exaggerations ever. Wright, Floyd, Beltran, Reyes, Diaz Cabrera ummmmmmm .............. uhhhhhh.......... Lowell Post-Steroids .... the big bats of Pierre and Castillo ummmmmmmmmmmmmm ....... am I forgetting anyone? Oh yeah,Juan Encarnacion. I'll take the first group please. at least the latter group won...what was that in 03...oh right...a world series title...something the mets wont even sniff this year
February 9, 200620 yr And we're surrounding LoDuca and Delgado with better talent than you had on offense last season. One of the most ridiculous over-exaggerations ever. Wright, Floyd, Beltran, Reyes, Diaz Cabrera ummmmmmm .............. uhhhhhh.......... Lowell Post-Steroids .... the big bats of Pierre and Castillo ummmmmmmmmmmmmm ....... am I forgetting anyone? Oh yeah,Juan Encarnacion. I'll take the first group please. at least the latter group won...what was that in 03...oh right...a world series title...something the mets wont even sniff this year Hope that '03 WS is of some comfort while your team sucks for the next 5 years. As for the line-ups, Reyes hits for more power and is faster than Pierre. And despite not drawing a walk until like the 2nd month of the season, Reyes still posted a higher OPS than Pierre. Castillo and Beltran isn't even close ... and Beltran had an off season. In his current, crippled state, Luis' speed is a non-factor -- he's a singles hitter with no speed. Beltran at least provides good pop and just as good -- if not better speed from the 2 hole. Wright and Cabrera isn't as much of an advantage as you seem to think. Wright is just off in BA (.306 to .323) HRs (27 to 33) and RBI (102 to 118). But Wright walks more and K's less. Wright has a higher OBP and is faster. I'll readilt admit Cabrera was the better hitter last year. Floyd and Lowell isn't even close .. unless Floyd gets hurt again. Diaz and Encarnacion I'll give you a wash, but Diaz over a full season will blow Juan out of the water.
February 9, 200620 yr Wright and Cabrera isn't as much of an advantage as you seem to think. Wright is just off in BA (.306 to .323) HRs (27 to 33) and RBI (102 to 118). :lol Isn't a huge advantage, only leading by good enough margins in every triple-crown category. Here's the way I'm breaking it down, bs: Pierre Reyes: PUSH Castillo Beltran: PUSH Castillo: .301 (.391 OBP) 32 K's 10 SB Beltran: .266 (.330 OBP) 96 K's 17 SB. Beltran is a substantially better player, but based off of what he did last year, and that he probably will be the two-hole hitter, I can't see a person with a lower batting average and OBP as a clearly superior player when we're talking the 2 hole. Beltran's 5 tools, and really a special talent, but numbers don't lie here. Cabrera Wright: Cabrera Delgado Delgado: PUSH Lowell Floyd: Floyd Encarnacion Diaz: PUSH LoDuca LoDuca: PUSH Gonzalez Matsui: PUSH So, to go back to your original claim of: And we're surrounding LoDuca and Delgado with better talent than you had on offense last season. Well, I just don't see it. Different faces, same underachieving product.
February 9, 200620 yr And we're surrounding LoDuca and Delgado with better talent than you had on offense last season. One of the most ridiculous over-exaggerations ever. Wright, Floyd, Beltran, Reyes, Diaz Cabrera ummmmmmm .............. uhhhhhh.......... Lowell Post-Steroids .... the big bats of Pierre and Castillo ummmmmmmmmmmmmm ....... am I forgetting anyone? Oh yeah,Juan Encarnacion. I'll take the first group please. at least the latter group won...what was that in 03...oh right...a world series title...something the mets wont even sniff this year Hope that '03 WS is of some comfort while your team sucks for the next 5 years. As for the line-ups, Reyes hits for more power and is faster than Pierre. And despite not drawing a walk until like the 2nd month of the season, Reyes still posted a higher OPS than Pierre. Castillo and Beltran isn't even close ... and Beltran had an off season. In his current, crippled state, Luis' speed is a non-factor -- he's a singles hitter with no speed. Beltran at least provides good pop and just as good -- if not better speed from the 2 hole. Wright and Cabrera isn't as much of an advantage as you seem to think. Wright is just off in BA (.306 to .323) HRs (27 to 33) and RBI (102 to 118). But Wright walks more and K's less. Wright has a higher OBP and is faster. I'll readilt admit Cabrera was the better hitter last year. Floyd and Lowell isn't even close .. unless Floyd gets hurt again. Diaz and Encarnacion I'll give you a wash, but Diaz over a full season will blow Juan out of the water. You have to remember what was expected of Pierre in 2005. He hit about .330 in 2004 with a pretty good OBP (about .380). That's way better than Reyes has ever done. So, in terms of expectations from the Marlins last year and the Mets this year this is how I look at it: 1. Pierre > Reyes 2. Louie > Matsui 3. Cabrera > Beltran 4. Delgado = Delgado 5. Lowell = Wright (Lowell was expected to put up about .285, 25-30 jacks, and 90-100 RBI) 6. Lo Duca < Floyd 7. Encarnacion < Lo Duca 8. Gonzalez > Diaz (you have to remember that Sea Bass hit 23 HR's in 2004) So on paper the Marlins lineup from last year was better going into the season than the Mets lineup going into this season.
February 9, 200620 yr And we're surrounding LoDuca and Delgado with better talent than you had on offense last season. One of the most ridiculous over-exaggerations ever. Wright, Floyd, Beltran, Reyes, Diaz Cabrera ummmmmmm .............. uhhhhhh.......... Lowell Post-Steroids .... the big bats of Pierre and Castillo ummmmmmmmmmmmmm ....... am I forgetting anyone? Oh yeah,Juan Encarnacion. I'll take the first group please. at least the latter group won...what was that in 03...oh right...a world series title...something the mets wont even sniff this year Hope that '03 WS is of some comfort while your team sucks for the next 5 years. As for the line-ups, Reyes hits for more power and is faster than Pierre. And despite not drawing a walk until like the 2nd month of the season, Reyes still posted a higher OPS than Pierre. Castillo and Beltran isn't even close ... and Beltran had an off season. In his current, crippled state, Luis' speed is a non-factor -- he's a singles hitter with no speed. Beltran at least provides good pop and just as good -- if not better speed from the 2 hole. Wright and Cabrera isn't as much of an advantage as you seem to think. Wright is just off in BA (.306 to .323) HRs (27 to 33) and RBI (102 to 118). But Wright walks more and K's less. Wright has a higher OBP and is faster. I'll readilt admit Cabrera was the better hitter last year. Floyd and Lowell isn't even close .. unless Floyd gets hurt again. Diaz and Encarnacion I'll give you a wash, but Diaz over a full season will blow Juan out of the water. You have to remember what was expected of Pierre in 2005. He hit about .330 in 2004 with a pretty good OBP (about .380). That's way better than Reyes has ever done. So, in terms of expectations from the Marlins last year and the Mets this year this is how I look at it: 1. Pierre > Reyes 2. Louie > Matsui 3. Cabrera > Beltran 4. Delgado = Delgado 5. Lowell = Wright (Lowell was expected to put up about .285, 25-30 jacks, and 90-100 RBI) 6. Lo Duca < Floyd 7. Encarnacion < Lo Duca 8. Gonzalez > Diaz (you have to remember that Sea Bass hit 23 HR's in 2004) So on paper the Marlins lineup from last year was better going into the season than the Mets lineup going into this season. On paper, but the Marlins O severly underperformed. Swift, I guess we'll just agree to disagree and wait until the seasn starts. I honestly don't see how the Mets offense that was better than the marlins last year can get worse adding Delgado and LoDuca while subtracting Piazza and Cammy (who were injured most of the season).
February 9, 200620 yr I honestly don't see how the Mets offense that was better than the marlins last year can get worse adding Delgado and LoDuca while subtracting Piazza and Cammy (who were injured most of the season). I agree but as the great Tommy Hutton says Baseball doesn't make sense so you never know.
February 9, 200620 yr I can't believe someone thinks Castillo is a better hitter than Beltran, that is plain stupidity.
February 9, 200620 yr I can't believe someone thinks Castillo is a better hitter than Beltran, that is plain stupidity. Well I consider a 'better hitter' someone who has a better average and is on base more personally and in that case I'd agree with it. Career Averages: Castillo - .293 AVG .370 OBP Beltran - .282 AVG .330 OBP
February 9, 200620 yr I can't believe someone thinks Castillo is a better hitter than Beltran, that is plain stupidity. Well I consider a 'better hitter' someone who has a better average and is on base more personally and in that case I'd agree with it. Career Averages: Castillo - .293 AVG .370 OBP Beltran - .282 AVG .330 OBP And let's look at 2005: Castillo: .301 (.391 OBP) 32 K's 10 SB Beltran: .266 (.330 OBP) 96 K's 17 SB.
February 9, 200620 yr Castillo 72 runs, 4 homers, 30 RBI, .356 SLG Beltran 83 runs, 16 homers, 78 RBI, .414 SLG In his career Luis Castillo has scored over 100 runs once in 10 years, and never has had more than 47 RBI. In his career Carlos Beltran has scored over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons, and knocked in over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons. So who's the better hitter.....use you brain and not your heart. Career slugging Percentage: Castillo .356 Beltran .479
February 9, 200620 yr Castillo isn't a power hitter so how does slugging PCT and HR's and for that matter RBI's since he's a table setter matter? Scoring runs more weighs on the guys behind him getting him home than on him.
February 9, 200620 yr Castillo 72 runs, 4 homers, 30 RBI, .356 SLG Beltran 83 runs, 16 homers, 78 RBI, .414 SLG In his career Luis Castillo has scored over 100 runs once in 10 years, and never has had more than 47 RBI. In his career Carlos Beltran has scored over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons, and knocked in over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons. So who's the better hitter.....use you brain and not your heart. Is the objective of a 2-hole hitter not to get on base frequently? Castillo has a higher career average and OBP. You're valuing the long-ball way too much for a .282 career hitter. Castillo is a better hitter and had a better 2005. Beltran has the better tools and is one of the few potential 5 tool talents in baseball, but Beltran's 2005 was comparable to Juan Encarnacion. Yikes.
February 9, 200620 yr Did you not read who scores more runs? Did you not read who strikes out less and has both a higher career BA and OBP as well as a superior 2005.
February 9, 200620 yr So Beltran playing with a broken cheek for a month didn't hurt his stats? At least he plays hurt.
February 9, 200620 yr So Beltran playing with a broken cheek for a month didn't hurt his stats? At least he plays hurt. So it's commendable to have a player play hurt when both his stats suffer and costs his team?
February 9, 200620 yr Yeah, because Beltran hurt is still better than a AAA CF. Castillo 72 runs, 4 homers, 30 RBI, .356 SLG Beltran 83 runs, 16 homers, 78 RBI, .414 SLG In his career Luis Castillo has scored over 100 runs once in 10 years, and never has had more than 47 RBI. In his career Carlos Beltran has scored over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons, and knocked in over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons. So who's the better hitter.....use you brain and not your heart. Career slugging Percentage: Castillo .356 Beltran .479 Did you not read the career runs scored?
February 9, 200620 yr Yeah, because Beltran hurt is still better than a AAA CF. .266/16/78 is not glistening. Encarnacion went: .287/16/76
February 9, 200620 yr Encarnacion was healthy all year. Career: Castillo 1128 games, 675 runs scored, 271 RBI Beltran 1036 games, 699 runs scored, 647 RBI What are you not getting here? Beltran scores more runs, and is way more productive of a hitter.....it's all in the numbers. Post-season career: Castillo .211 AVG, .291 OBP, .268 SLG Beltran .435 AVG, .536 OBP, 1.022 SLG
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