So scoring runs isn't important......so remind me how games are won? By scoring more RUNS than your opponent.

 

 

 

do you just not get 'it'?

 

 

question

Let's put a money value on it then.........Carlos Beltran and Luis Castillo go to arbitration....who gets more money?

 

So with all the logic here........Luis Castillo is better than Jeff Kent because he has a higher career OBP.......370 to .354. All the Runs scored and RBI Kent has gotten all these years had nothing to do with him and were all "flukey". Ok, I get it now. Then Luis should get in the Hall-of-Fame because of that OBP, and Kent should buy a ticket........right?

The arbitrator compares a player not his peers at his position or batting role. The arbitrator compares them to the overall player population, which have received salaries through and from those who disregard Luiy's skills (OBP at the top of the order and defense) and overrate Beltran's (power).

LOL.

Intelligent response there.

That's all the reponse that was needed.

 

The arbitrator compares a player not his peers at his position or batting role. The arbitrator compares them to the overall player population, which have received salaries through and from those who disregard Luiy's skills (OBP at the top of the order and defense) and overrate Beltran's (power).

 

 

 

So what about Jeff Kent.....he plays 2B? You know why an arbitrator would give Kent a higher number??????

Because he's a better player than Luis Castillo.

All the Runs scored and RBI Kent has gotten all these years had nothing to do with him and were all "flukey".

 

All they said was RUNS were flukey, nothing about RBI's. You don't get RBI's for an error, but you do get runs scored added to your stats. Thats all.

2004: 121 runs, 38 HR, 104 RBI, 42 SB

2003: 102 runs, 26 HR, 100 RBI, 41 SB

2002: 114 runs, 29 HR, 105 RBI, 35 SB

2001: 106 runs, 24 HR, 101 RBI, 31 SB

1999: 112 runs, 22 HR, 108 RBI, 27 SB

 

 

Ahh, it's lovely to ignore stats that don't help you, let me complete those stat lines:

 

2004: .267 average, .367 OBP, 101 K's

2003: .307 average (career high), .389 OBP (career high), 81 K's (career low for a "full" season)

2002: .273 average, .346 OBP, 135 K's

2001: .306 average, .362 OBP, 120 K's

2000: (which you ignored completely) .247 average, .309 OBP, 69 K's, 7 HR, 44 RBI (99 games)

1999: .293 average, .337 OBP, 123 K's.

 

Which, gives you a career .282 average and an average of 115 K's a season.

 

How is runs scored flukey?

 

 

It's dependant upon others in the lineup driving you in.

 

RBI's are a flukey stat, so are runs scored. Those stats become inflated by the performance of others. OBP, average and K's are 100% related to the player and player only.

There's the bozo that said "RBI" are flukey.

That's all the reponse that was needed.

 

 

The arbitrator compares a player not his peers at his position or batting role. The arbitrator compares them to the overall player population, which have received salaries through and from those who disregard Luiy's skills (OBP at the top of the order and defense) and overrate Beltran's (power).

 

So what about Jeff Kent.....he plays 2B? You know why an arbitrator would give Kent a higher number??????

Because he's a better player than Luis Castillo.

I'm not really part of your debate. I'm just explaining why a fallacy in your argument. The arbitrator or the free market will not award Kent just because he's a better player though.

2004: 121 runs, 38 HR, 104 RBI, 42 SB

2003: 102 runs, 26 HR, 100 RBI, 41 SB

2002: 114 runs, 29 HR, 105 RBI, 35 SB

2001: 106 runs, 24 HR, 101 RBI, 31 SB

1999: 112 runs, 22 HR, 108 RBI, 27 SB

 

 

Ahh, it's lovely to ignore stats that don't help you, let me complete those stat lines:

 

2004: .267 average, .367 OBP, 101 K's

2003: .307 average (career high), .389 OBP (career high), 81 K's (career low for a "full" season)

2002: .273 average, .346 OBP, 135 K's

2001: .306 average, .362 OBP, 120 K's

2000: (which you ignored completely) .247 average, .309 OBP, 69 K's, 7 HR, 44 RBI (99 games)

1999: .293 average, .337 OBP, 123 K's.

 

Which, gives you a career .282 average and an average of 115 K's a season.

 

How is runs scored flukey?

 

 

It's dependant upon others in the lineup driving you in.

 

RBI's are a flukey stat, so are runs scored. Those stats become inflated by the performance of others. OBP, average and K's are 100% related to the player and player only.

There's the bozo that said "RBI" are flukey.

I see..

If Luis Castillo hit in the middle of the lineup like Jeff Kent, he arguably would rack up just as many RBIs. Except thats not where his value lies. His value lies in getting on base so the big time hitters can drive in the runs. Second base is not really known as a power position. In my opinion, a second basemen with power is a lot less valuable than a second basemen with great defense and great hitting skills. The power is nice, but your power comes from your corner players. Anywhere else is a nice plus.

Kent's poor defense devalues his hitting ability