I don't know whom to believe.

 

I listened to la Dascarga Deportiva last week and heard Hialeah Mayor Robaina be extremely optimistic about a new Marlins stadium in his city.

 

Now, today I read a Herald article by Barry Jackson saying that the stadium in Hialeah seems unlikely because the Mayor is not asking the residents to vote on a tax to help finance the stadium. He also writes that the Mayor stated that all his city is donating is the land, and says that the land deal is "iffy" because it is privately owned.

 

I personally belive Mr. Jackson is mixing fact with opinion.

Fact: No tax vote is planned.

His opinion: Stadium deal is unlilely.

 

Fact: Hialeah will only donate land. The land is privately owned.

His opinion: land deal is "iffy"

 

I personally heard Mr. Robaina say that the land deal was progressing nicely and and that the funding gap had been significantly reduced. He even said that he expected positive news of a stadium deal to be announced by late April of this year.

 

We will have to stay tuned to hear the truth.

Like I said before, I dont know who to belive. I feel sorry that you feel confused, never a good thing being told two different things. Should be made a crime.

It comesdown to who you believe.

 

Jackson and The Herald. :rollseyes:

 

Or Robaina who is in the know.

 

Our "friends" in San Antonio or going to jerk off to this article.

 

Me, I'll continue to be cautiously pessimistic.

My stance is the hush-up of Samson in the press gives me confidence that all involved are wishing that Hialeah's Mayor be the one to talk. If he had said something over the line, like Arriola had done in the past so many times, Samson would have fired back quickly.

MLB nixed Marlins

 

By BARRY JACKSON

bjackson@MiamiHerald.com

 

As San Antonio pursues the Marlins, fans should know it might not have come to this if Major League Baseball had been proactive. We're told Marlins management -- knowing baseball values the South Florida market -- asked MLB to contribute toward stadium financing, but baseball balked, citing lack of precedent.

 

MLB will pay $20 million for the Washington Nationals' new stadium (though that will be passed on to the team's eventual owner). If the same offer had been extended to owner Jeffrey Loria -- and if he had chipped in another $20 million and kept the promise to cover over-runs -- that would have covered the funding gap that existed last spring. (The gap has grown to $100 million.)

 

Citing the D.C. deal, Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina wants baseball to ''be part of'' a deal here. But a ballpark in Hialeah appears unlikely, partly because Robaina has decided not to ask residents to vote on a tax to help finance it (unlike San Antonio's approach). Miami-Dade County also seems unwilling to take the referendum route.

 

''It's a South Florida team, not a Hialeah team,'' said Robaina, who met with Marlins president David Samson last week. ''I'm not committing anything but land to this deal.'' (The land's iffy, because the proposed sites are privately owned.)

 

? Samson has been taking light-hearted tweaks at landlord Wayne Huizenga in public speeches.

 

At a Miami Chamber of Commerce luncheon, Samson bemoaned how the Marlins get only 16 season tickets. ``We're forced to pay for our suite under our lease, which is one of the great documents of all time for those who negotiated it, who were fired, of course.''

 

In another forum, he was asked about Huizenga wanting the Marlins out of Dolphins Stadium. Samson responded that ''maybe'' Huizenga ''thinks the play of his team since 1972 has been impacted by the field.'' Ouch.

 

And at a Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce event, Samson noted: ``The best sports tradition we have is the '72 Dolphins open wine when a team loses a game. Without the Marlins, there would have been no world championships in Florida in pro sports since 1972. Get over it. It's time to focus on other teams.''

MLB nixed Marlins

 

By BARRY JACKSON

bjackson@MiamiHerald.com

 

As San Antonio pursues the Marlins, fans should know it might not have come to this if Major League Baseball had been proactive. We're told Marlins management -- knowing baseball values the South Florida market -- asked MLB to contribute toward stadium financing, but baseball balked, citing lack of precedent.

 

MLB will pay $20 million for the Washington Nationals' new stadium (though that will be passed on to the team's eventual owner). If the same offer had been extended to owner Jeffrey Loria -- and if he had chipped in another $20 million and kept the promise to cover over-runs -- that would have covered the funding gap that existed last spring. (The gap has grown to $100 million.)

 

Citing the D.C. deal, Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina wants baseball to ''be part of'' a deal here. But a ballpark in Hialeah appears unlikely, partly because Robaina has decided not to ask residents to vote on a tax to help finance it (unlike San Antonio's approach). Miami-Dade County also seems unwilling to take the referendum route.

 

''It's a South Florida team, not a Hialeah team,'' said Robaina, who met with Marlins president David Samson last week. ''I'm not committing anything but land to this deal.'' (The land's iffy, because the proposed sites are privately owned.)

 

? Samson has been taking light-hearted tweaks at landlord Wayne Huizenga in public speeches.

 

At a Miami Chamber of Commerce luncheon, Samson bemoaned how the Marlins get only 16 season tickets. ``We're forced to pay for our suite under our lease, which is one of the great documents of all time for those who negotiated it, who were fired, of course.''

 

In another forum, he was asked about Huizenga wanting the Marlins out of Dolphins Stadium. Samson responded that ''maybe'' Huizenga ''thinks the play of his team since 1972 has been impacted by the field.'' Ouch.

 

And at a Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce event, Samson noted: ``The best sports tradition we have is the '72 Dolphins open wine when a team loses a game. Without the Marlins, there would have been no world championships in Florida in pro sports since 1972. Get over it. It's time to focus on other teams.''

 

 

 

 

I LOVE SAMSON!!!!! finally someone comes out and says it like it is. I wish he would have gone in more detail on the Huizenga wanting the Marlins out of Dolphins Stadium the stuff in Tally, in the city of Miami the backstabbing, but I still don't like Samson as the face of this team

MLB nixed Marlins

 

By BARRY JACKSON

bjackson@MiamiHerald.com

 

As San Antonio pursues the Marlins, fans should know it might not have come to this if Major League Baseball had been proactive. We're told Marlins management -- knowing baseball values the South Florida market -- asked MLB to contribute toward stadium financing, but baseball balked, citing lack of precedent.

 

MLB will pay $20 million for the Washington Nationals' new stadium (though that will be passed on to the team's eventual owner). If the same offer had been extended to owner Jeffrey Loria -- and if he had chipped in another $20 million and kept the promise to cover over-runs -- that would have covered the funding gap that existed last spring. (The gap has grown to $100 million.)

 

Citing the D.C. deal, Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina wants baseball to ''be part of'' a deal here. But a ballpark in Hialeah appears unlikely, partly because Robaina has decided not to ask residents to vote on a tax to help finance it (unlike San Antonio's approach). Miami-Dade County also seems unwilling to take the referendum route.

 

''It's a South Florida team, not a Hialeah team,'' said Robaina, who met with Marlins president David Samson last week. ''I'm not committing anything but land to this deal.'' (The land's iffy, because the proposed sites are privately owned.)

 

? Samson has been taking light-hearted tweaks at landlord Wayne Huizenga in public speeches.

 

At a Miami Chamber of Commerce luncheon, Samson bemoaned how the Marlins get only 16 season tickets. ``We're forced to pay for our suite under our lease, which is one of the great documents of all time for those who negotiated it, who were fired, of course.''

 

In another forum, he was asked about Huizenga wanting the Marlins out of Dolphins Stadium. Samson responded that ''maybe'' Huizenga ''thinks the play of his team since 1972 has been impacted by the field.'' Ouch.

 

And at a Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce event, Samson noted: ``The best sports tradition we have is the '72 Dolphins open wine when a team loses a game. Without the Marlins, there would have been no world championships in Florida in pro sports since 1972. Get over it. It's time to focus on other teams.''

 

 

 

 

I LOVE SAMSON!!!!! finally someone comes out and says it like it is. I wish he would have gone in more detail on the Huizenga wanting the Marlins out of Dolphins Stadium the stuff in Tally, in the city of Miami the backstabbing, but I still don't like Samson as the face of this team

:blink: :confused

i'm not worried about the article. barry jackson probably doesn't know what's really going on.

''It's a South Florida team, not a Hialeah team,'' said Robaina, who met with Marlins president David Samson last week. ''I'm not committing anything but land to this deal.'' (The land's iffy, because the proposed sites are privately owned.)

 

If that's a recent quote and really what Robaina said, I don't see how anyone can't see that this is all but dead.

 

What's the precedent established with Loria? If it isn't a free stadium, it isn't happening.

it's an opinion / commentary piece. a really lousy one, at that.

 

it's not much of a news piece.

"I'm not committing anything but land"

+

"Funding gap narrowed, announcement expected by end of April"

=

:blink:

 

 

Is there some kind of scenario where both statements are true? This is the same person saying seemingly opposite statements. Is there a way to pay for the stadium in Hialeah that wouldn't involve Robaina's Hialeah giving anything but land? If not, I'd rather trust the radio comments, since people heard them come out of his own mouth, and not being quoted by a reporter.

 

 

Then again, those comments could have been set up to have people think he was doing his part, and have people blame the Marlins when the stadium didn't happen.

This continues to be a big wait-and-see. Nothing more, nothing less. However, the statement he said has to be taken in the context that the City, County, the landowners, Marlins, and MLB are all part of the negotiations.

"I'm not committing anything but land"

+

"Funding gap narrowed, announcement expected by end of April"

=

:blink:

 

 

Is there some kind of scenario where both statements are true? This is the same person saying seemingly opposite statements. Is there a way to pay for the stadium in Hialeah that wouldn't involve Robaina's Hialeah giving anything but land? If not, I'd rather trust the radio comments, since people heard them come out of his own mouth, and not being quoted by a reporter.

 

 

Then again, those comments could have been set up to have people think he was doing his part, and have people blame the Marlins when the stadium didn't happen.

 

 

i think there is. festa is more familiar with this. he should chime in.

You really shouldn't take a member of a negotiating party at face value. They are a product of their own belief of the state of negotiations. They can not paint an accurate picture. Often have ulterior motives, such as shaping public opinion for benefit in negotiations or after the deal has come to a final conclusion. Let us not forget Huizenga's messages to the press. Just because someone doesn't have the history of Huizenga, doesn't mean they can't be hyping their efforts to put the Marlins in a bad position or further their political career or shed responsibility should it fail.

 

Nor should you take a columnist's statement quite the same as a staff writer for the ery same reasons.

rferry, you're right. anything is possible until the deal is announced or talks completely break down. however, samson was quoted as saying that the hialeah offer is the best offer the marlins have gotten so far. take that for what it's worth.

"As San Antonio pursues the Marlins, fans should know it might not have come to this if Major League Baseball had been proactive. We're told Marlins management -- knowing baseball values the South Florida market -- asked MLB to contribute toward stadium financing, but baseball balked, citing lack of precedent."

 

Now there's a shock to read :whistle

 

...Let me compare

 

NFL = G3 Financing - Actually helping there teams as a partner to build new revenue producing facilities

 

MLB = Extortionists that only care about there own interests instead of the "Best Interests of Baseball"

 

NFL = #1 Sports League and Game in the World

 

MLB = #3 in a close call with the sorry non-revenue producing NHL

 

Love the game, and hate the way its run by these arrogant selfish billionaires - Oh wait - We have

the poor owner thats only a millionaire and probably has an allowance from Samson's Mommy

...Pathetic :-(

 

How about being proactive like a plan to place a $1.00 per ticket Facility Development Charge on all teams MLB Tickets much like they do at the airport when you land there. Last year total MLB attendance was 75 million - Thats 75 Million every year that one team would be eligible for once every 30 years to borrow against, or for a DP on a new stadium. That is roughly the lifespan of leases and a stadium.

 

Instead of holding us hostage, maybe an idea like this, or any other thinking out of the box ideas would finally result in a stadium that a 2 Time World Champion deserves.

Ignoring your comparisions of MLB and NFL...

 

I do think it would be in everyone's best interest for MLB to increase revenue sharing and league funds. But we must realize that just like a player's contributions on the field are individualized, so are the actions of the owners of MLB franchises. You see it at every meeting. The best example is the production of MLB.com, which is so highly revered it's hard to think it was developed with scant contributions from owners with conditions of expectations of a high rate of return attached.

However, MLB has a good thing going for them. They're pocketing money. Getting new stadiums. Selling more tickets and merchandise. There's obviously no incentive for them to reverse course. To them, keeping the Marlins in South Florida is not a goal they care to put ahead of their other more profitable ventures.

Lets clear a few things up, Jackson IS NOT in the know. It took him 6 days to mention the Hialeah meeting on Monday. I know this because I have been told by a certain someone.

 

This article is largely opinion mixed in with some facts.

 

Second...

''It's a South Florida team, not a Hialeah team,'' said Robaina, who met with Marlins president David Samson last week. ''I'm not committing anything but land to this deal.''

 

 

According to Del Castillo's source the county is the one working out a deal on land. If Del Castillo's source is correct the city of Hialeah can be putting money into this project considering it would easily get paid back with the amount of tax money, the All-Star Game and other junk like that will do to the city.

 

I have been assured there is a lot more to this story that Del Castillo will not make public.

 

Del Castillo is very close to Robaina and other individuals involved in the negotiations. He, unlike Jackson is in the know.

 

Everyone should take a cautious stance on this issue.

yeah...ive never been too confident in the herald's ability to not just spout out what everyone thinks is happening...but then again, when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me...festa and cape, if you say robaina is close to deal then im with ya and keep up the good work!!!

Wait wait wait. I never said a deal is close. I still believe there is some work to be done. BUT I will say that progress is being made.

Wait wait wait. I never said a deal is close. I still believe there is some work to be done. BUT I will say that progress is being made.

 

well yeah thats i what i meant...but thanks nonetheless for the progress reports...being from massachusetts the only news on the marlins i hear is negative...so much obliged for the work...and lets get this done robaina...no more ifs, ands, or butts except all of ours in a brand spankin new marlins stadium

In another forum, he was asked about Huizenga wanting the Marlins out of Dolphins Stadium. Samson responded that ''maybe'' Huizenga ''thinks the play of his team since 1972 has been impacted by the field.'' Ouch.

 

And at a Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce event, Samson noted: ``The best sports tradition we have is the '72 Dolphins open wine when a team loses a game. Without the Marlins, there would have been no world championships in Florida in pro sports since 1972. Get over it. It's time to focus on other teams.''

 

Too bad the Dolphins won the Super Bowl for the 1973 season as well (and, to get technical about it, the game was in 1974 -- so really they won the title in 1974).

 

But I couldn't agree more with the sentiment.

I think the only safe thing to say is that the talks are on-going and it seems they expect progress in some form by April.

The Herald sucks, in general, when it comes to covering news accurately and on time. It's good for wrapping fish in and that is all.

Samson is such a prick, he should realise that the vast majority of the public can care less about his team, even with its 2 world championships. Alienating the Fins is not the way to attract new fans, we all know that the Dolphins rule the sporting community in South Florida. I wish that they would sell the team, the current leadership are PR nightmares.