March 27, 200620 yr I'm not the biggest Bump fan, but I have a bad feeling the team's moral will go down very quickly when we (likely) lose 2 of 3 @ Houston to start the season. Willis will win, Moehler and Mitre will likely get rocked. I am worried about what will happen after that.
March 27, 200620 yr It's absolutly funny how few fans realize the pressures of middle and long relief, but blow their wad when some guy comes in with the bases empty for the final inning. Heck, even mop-up relief effects a pitcher's stats (how many times have we seen a pitcher give up like 4 runs because the defense makes no effort in a 12-4 game?)
March 27, 200620 yr It's absolutly funny how few fans realize the pressures of middle and long relief, but blow their wad when some guy comes in with the bases empty for the final inning. Heck, even mop-up relief effects a pitcher's stats (how many times have we seen a pitcher give up like 4 runs because the defense makes no effort in a 12-4 game?) I understand the pressures of MR and LR, I simply don't think Bump is a good pitcher. I've watched him for three years in the majors and have never seen anything that's made me want him on the team. I'd rather give the spot to a 24-year-old to see what he can do over a 30-year-old who's had 3 years to prove it.
March 27, 200620 yr I think Bump can be at the least an inning eater in the majors ... and could fill the 5th spot on the rotation if one of the others falter. At least he has some experience at this level ... I still dont understand the way they missuse him Maybe going to AAA to start and get his arm strengh up and the ability to rack up innings to serve as a backup plan if the other starters fail ... I really think its a mistake to just let the guy go
March 27, 200620 yr my son is one of the Marlins..... Good luck to your son whomever he is. I am sure you are very proud as for Bump I really think you all go too hard on him. I noticed that on every sports team there is one guy that gets blasted all the time and often really doesnt deserve it. They never seem to get credit for their good things and only get killed for the bad. I think Bump is that for the marlins. Eddie Jones was for the Heat last year, etc.. Either way I hope he gets his act going and gets it together. I would love to see him as our long relief someday again.
March 27, 200620 yr You mean turning a $65 million team of chronic underachievers and complainers into a team that has and is leading all of baseball in spring training wins? Calling them a minor league team is so unknowledgable on your part it's almost, no it is, laughable. I suppose you'd rather have Juan Encarnacion still in right and Gonzo (who's hitting almost a hundred points under the Mendoza line last time I checked) at shortstop instead of Jeremy Hermida and Hanley Ramirez, two the very top prospects in the game and guys who would be starting on a dozen other teams this season if their GMs had the chance to acquire them, or weak-hitting Mike Lowell (0 homers and one run batted in in a team-leading 41 at bats this spring), who almost every report seems to indicate has the Red Sox front office very worried that he's done at third, rather than Miguel Cabrera manning that position? There are some glaring holes in this team and without doubt any number of question marks, but Loria and company have done exactly the right thing in hiring Joe Girardi and moving the players they did. Case in point, look at teams like Baltimore or Kansas City or the Rockies, Mariners, Washington Nationals, etc., who continue to fumble around trying to build their teams on either aging journeymen or second tier ballplayers and tell me their ownership is smarter than ours. A team like the Orioles ought to be doing exactly what the Marlins did, strip the team bare, get the best prospects they can for Lopez and Tejada and Matos and rebuild from the bottom up. Call them anything you want but they are "our" Florida Marlins. If the front office wouldn't have done these moves for financial reasons, I would agree with you. However, they did this purely to save money. Yes, they are our Florida Marlins, but this is not MY front office. I'll go to games, watch on tv and cheer them on every step of the way, but don't try to sell me on how smart this heartless, gutless front office is. Fans here are too smart for that.
March 27, 200620 yr You mean turning a $65 million team of chronic underachievers and complainers into a team that has and is leading all of baseball in spring training wins? Calling them a minor league team is so unknowledgable on your part it's almost, no it is, laughable. I suppose you'd rather have Juan Encarnacion still in right and Gonzo (who's hitting almost a hundred points under the Mendoza line last time I checked) at shortstop instead of Jeremy Hermida and Hanley Ramirez, two the very top prospects in the game and guys who would be starting on a dozen other teams this season if their GMs had the chance to acquire them, or weak-hitting Mike Lowell (0 homers and one run batted in in a team-leading 41 at bats this spring), who almost every report seems to indicate has the Red Sox front office very worried that he's done at third, rather than Miguel Cabrera manning that position? There are some glaring holes in this team and without doubt any number of question marks, but Loria and company have done exactly the right thing in hiring Joe Girardi and moving the players they did. Case in point, look at teams like Baltimore or Kansas City or the Rockies, Mariners, Washington Nationals, etc., who continue to fumble around trying to build their teams on either aging journeymen or second tier ballplayers and tell me their ownership is smarter than ours. A team like the Orioles ought to be doing exactly what the Marlins did, strip the team bare, get the best prospects they can for Lopez and Tejada and Matos and rebuild from the bottom up. Call them anything you want but they are "our" Florida Marlins. 2003. While I respect your opinion very much, there's a big difference between cutting bait on dead weight and blowing the whole thing up and starting (unnecessarily) from scratch. Not to revist the entire offseason, but after the Beckett and Delgado/LoDuca trades, the Marlins could have sat on their hands and said with a straight face that they could hang with the Phillies for third in the division, all while Loria pads his wallet substantially. There's nothing wrong with, as a fan, being angry with what Loria and Beinfest did to this team with Castillo/Pierre as they neither needed to shed their salary or got back such overwhelming players that the deal couldn't be turned down.
March 27, 200620 yr You mean turning a $65 million team of chronic underachievers and complainers into a team that has and is leading all of baseball in spring training wins? Calling them a minor league team is so unknowledgable on your part it's almost, no it is, laughable. I suppose you'd rather have Juan Encarnacion still in right and Gonzo (who's hitting almost a hundred points under the Mendoza line last time I checked) at shortstop instead of Jeremy Hermida and Hanley Ramirez, two the very top prospects in the game and guys who would be starting on a dozen other teams this season if their GMs had the chance to acquire them, or weak-hitting Mike Lowell (0 homers and one run batted in in a team-leading 41 at bats this spring), who almost every report seems to indicate has the Red Sox front office very worried that he's done at third, rather than Miguel Cabrera manning that position? There are some glaring holes in this team and without doubt any number of question marks, but Loria and company have done exactly the right thing in hiring Joe Girardi and moving the players they did. Case in point, look at teams like Baltimore or Kansas City or the Rockies, Mariners, Washington Nationals, etc., who continue to fumble around trying to build their teams on either aging journeymen or second tier ballplayers and tell me their ownership is smarter than ours. A team like the Orioles ought to be doing exactly what the Marlins did, strip the team bare, get the best prospects they can for Lopez and Tejada and Matos and rebuild from the bottom up. Call them anything you want but they are "our" Florida Marlins. If the front office wouldn't have done these moves for financial reasons, I would agree with you. However, they did this purely to save money. Yes, they are our Florida Marlins, but this is not MY front office. I'll go to games, watch on tv and cheer them on every step of the way, but don't try to sell me on how smart this heartless, gutless front office is. Fans here are too smart for that. That's just it. You don't assume any liabilities. You don't own the team. They didn't cut back to hurt you. They didn't cut back just to save money. They cut back because they make no money to begin with and their efforts to encourage you and others to support them fell on largely deaf ears. The reason they failed you (I'm assuming a passionate loyal fan as most of us are) is that we, as a collective group of Marlins fans and potential fans, failed them. Remember that. You, I and everyone else are not entitled to a team. p.s. Bump's a solid pitcher who is much better than some of the schmoes that have filled our bullpen over the years and fill the pens of many major league teams.
March 27, 200620 yr I'm not the biggest Bump fan, but I have a bad feeling the team's moral will go down very quickly when we (likely) lose 2 of 3 @ Houston to start the season. Willis will win, Moehler and Mitre will likely get rocked. I am worried about what will happen after that. I fail to see why this fits here....and i fail to see why one series loss to the defending NL champs will kill morale....
March 27, 200620 yr 2003. While I respect your opinion very much, there's a big difference between cutting bait on dead weight and blowing the whole thing up and starting (unnecessarily) from scratch. Not to revist the entire offseason, but after the Beckett and Delgado/LoDuca trades, the Marlins could have sat on their hands and said with a straight face that they could hang with the Phillies for third in the division, all while Loria pads his wallet substantially. There's nothing wrong with, as a fan, being angry with what Loria and Beinfest did to this team with Castillo/Pierre as they neither needed to shed their salary or got back such overwhelming players that the deal couldn't be turned down. Who the hell cares about third place? Bowyer, Tyler (both acquired in the Castillo deal, which occurred before LoDuca was traded), Julianel, Mitre, Nolasco and Pinto will mean a whole lot more to this franchise's next contending team than a few years of Pierre, Castillo and Villone. I'm sad some of my favorite players are gone too, but let's be honest about this. Pierre and Castillo wouldn't have helped towards any worthy goal. The same people complaining now would be complaining just as loud.
March 27, 200620 yr YES YES YES YES SEND BUMP DOWN!!! How's Billy Koch enjoying retirement? Steroid testing killed Billy Koch's career
March 27, 200620 yr YES YES YES YES SEND BUMP DOWN!!! How's Billy Koch enjoying retirement? How's that hating of Paul Lo Duca doin for you???
March 27, 200620 yr YES YES YES YES SEND BUMP DOWN!!! How's Billy Koch enjoying retirement? How's that hating of Paul Lo Duca doin for you??? lol... mr team chemistry only goes so far
March 27, 200620 yr It certainly doesn't pay as well as being a single-digit HR-hitting defensive liability.
March 27, 200620 yr Listen Billy Koch was a good closer at one point in his career.....what's Nate Bump ever done???
March 27, 200620 yr Listen Billy Koch was a good closer at one point in his career.....what's Nate Bump ever done??? more than what Billy Koch did for the Marlins
March 27, 200620 yr For as bad as everyone says Koch was in his one season he was 1-2, 3.51 ERA, 21 hits in 25 innings pitched, 25K's/20BB's Bump career numbers: 6-7, 4.68 ERA, 38 Games, 43 hits, 18 K's, 12 BB's... so whose been better.
March 27, 200620 yr Looks like Koch was damn lucky to manage a 3.51ERA while allowing 41 baserunners in 25 IP.
March 27, 200620 yr For as bad as everyone says Koch was in his one season he was 1-2, 3.51 ERA, 21 hits in 25 innings pitched, 25K's/20BB's Bump career numbers: 6-7, 4.68 ERA, 38 Games, 43 hits, 18 K's, 12 BB's... so whose been better. who the f*** cares? I swear to God we had this convo last year, and the year before that... we know you dont like Bump... great!
March 27, 200620 yr he will start a good number of games for the marlins this year ... I think he could be that 6th starter ... flexible pen guy ... fill in if someone goes down/plain sucks kinda player this year
March 27, 200620 yr When Nate Bump's mother gave birth, i knew he sucked. Oh...so you know Nate Bump's mother?
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