July 3, 200620 yr At the start of the season, our team payroll was $15 million or so. I was wondering, with all of the minor league callups after the start of the season and contracts of minor leaguers being purchased, how much has our team payroll been augmented from the start of the season?
July 3, 200620 yr what are borowski and herges salaries? i'm just assuming they'll be traded/released
July 3, 200620 yr what are borowski and herges salaries? i'm just assuming they'll be traded/released Looking at this unreliable source, look like Borowski has $1,000,000 1 year left, and Herges doesn't exist.
July 3, 200620 yr A more reliable souce would be ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=fla This is much better then a baseball game call 2K6. Hmm, Moehler has the 2nd highest expensive contract. Another reason why we need to give him the boot. :kickbutt
July 3, 200620 yr A more reliable souce would be ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=fla This is much better then a baseball game call 2K6. Hmm, Moehler has the 2nd highest expensive contract. Another reason why we need to give him the boot. :kickbutt You still have to pay players after releasing them
July 3, 200620 yr A more reliable souce would be ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=fla This is much better then a baseball game call 2K6. Hmm, Moehler has the 2nd highest expensive contract. Another reason why we need to give him the boot. :kickbutt You still have to pay players after releasing them :ohno :cussing :liar :toilet :no :bangdesk :deal :banghead :anon And everything else I could find! :fyou Have a good day sir.
July 3, 200620 yr Herges is making 600,000.00 Olivo 700,000.00 Helms 800,000.00 Cabrera 427,000.00....they need to get him paid! Moehler 1,500,000.00 D-Train 4,350,000.00 after these salaries the next highest is Pasta with 340,000.00 and Mitre 330,000.00 everyone else is at the minimun salary 327,000.00 http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/roster/FLA
July 3, 200620 yr I think we went down to $14M. Look like German had a decent contract. I wanna start talking about our payroll going up
July 3, 200620 yr I think we went down to $14M. Look like German had a decent contract. I wanna start talking about our payroll going up Come on guys, I'm sure if we trry hard enough we can reach single digits! :shifty
July 3, 200620 yr First of all payroll is approximately $20 million and not $14 million. Second there are incentives in several players contracts, Borowski for example has already earned over $300,000 in bonuses. Third the major league payroll is in our case does not represent anywhere near a majority of the team's expenses. We probably will pony up half the salary $$$ in signing bonuses to recent draftees, there's the ridiculously high rent they pay for PPS, there are minor league and front office, scouting and administrative salaries. The list of costs is endless.
July 3, 200620 yr First of all payroll is approximately $20 million and not $14 million. Second there are incentives in several players contracts, Borowski for example has already earned over $300,000 in bonuses. Third the major league payroll is in our case does not represent anywhere near a majority of the team's expenses. We probably will pony up half the salary $$$ in signing bonuses to recent draftees, there's the ridiculously high rent they pay for PPS, there are minor league and front office, scouting and administrative salaries. The list of costs is endless. We know that It takes alot to run a team but compare us to any other MLB team doesnt seem like much now
July 3, 200620 yr what are borowski and herges salaries? i'm just assuming they'll be traded/released Why do you think Borowsky will be traded? He is being paid minimum sallary before bonuses.
July 3, 200620 yr First of all payroll is approximately $20 million and not $14 million. Second there are incentives in several players contracts, Borowski for example has already earned over $300,000 in bonuses. Third the major league payroll is in our case does not represent anywhere near a majority of the team's expenses. We probably will pony up half the salary $$$ in signing bonuses to recent draftees, there's the ridiculously high rent they pay for PPS, there are minor league and front office, scouting and administrative salaries. The list of costs is endless. 15 or 20 Million. What's the difference. It's still a disgrace. But the team certainly isn't a disgrace. To say they've been outperforming their salaries would be the understatement of the year. If it continues like this for most of the season I think it will have a profound effect on future baseball salaries. Of course that's a huge IF, but let's hope for the best. On the cost side, sounds like costs that all teams have...although Loria has cut back on scouting and who knows what else. The only difference is the rent. In a new stadium we would pay I imagine roughly 10 Million a year in rent. How much is this ridiculously high rent we pay Wayne? I've always wondered. Don't get into the revenue end. I understand the difference. And 03, very good early call on Uggla. You were as far as I know the first to spot him as something special.
July 3, 200620 yr First of all payroll is approximately $20 million and not $14 million. Second there are incentives in several players contracts, Borowski for example has already earned over $300,000 in bonuses. Third the major league payroll is in our case does not represent anywhere near a majority of the team's expenses. We probably will pony up half the salary $$$ in signing bonuses to recent draftees, there's the ridiculously high rent they pay for PPS, there are minor league and front office, scouting and administrative salaries. The list of costs is endless. 15 or 20 Million. What's the difference. It's still a disgrace. But the team certainly isn't a disgrace. To say they've been outperforming their salaries would be the understatement of the year. If it continues like this for most of the season I think it will have a profound effect on future baseball salaries. Of course that's a huge IF, but let's hope for the best. On the cost side, sounds like costs that all teams have...although Loria has cut back on scouting and who knows what else. The only difference is the rent. In a new stadium we would pay I imagine roughly 10 Million a year in rent. How much is this ridiculously high rent we pay Wayne? I've always wondered. Don't get into the revenue end. I understand the difference. And 03, very good early call on Uggla. You were as far as I know the first to spot him as something special. Thank you. I wasn't going to blow my horn and I did take alot of sh*t for it but I did go back read every gamelog/recap of every game I could find he played in from both his team's angle and the opposing team's as well. There seemed to be a common thread especially among the opposing managers that they thought he was something special and ultimately rewarded him by naming him to the Southern League's all-star team at two positions - 2nd base and utility player. By the end of the season most opposing managers were sick of being beaten by the guy. As for Loria and the current payroll thing we'll have agree to disagree. I believe he just got sick of losing tens of millions of dollars annually (and please those of you who believe he made money the last three years, that statement is my belief, you are entitled to yours and we don't have to debate who is right or wrong). While some of the players have had good years other places that does not guarantee they would have as a group here. Certainly their hallmark last season was underachieving as a group. AJ was leaving regardless, when you add up what it would have taken to keep the team together the figure is absurd with their current lease and low attendance. Clearly Castillo was in decline as was Pierre, who knew if Gonzalez would come back healthy, or what was wrong with Lowell. The stadium debacle and ultimately the extortion attempted by Joe Arriola was the final straw. I think they did the right thing. I think any owner who was faced with the losses they had swallowed over three years, and I don't care how wealthy that owner might be, would have taken a similar path. The rich didn't get rich by losing money by the wheelbarrowful every year. Maybe someone else would have stopped at Castillo and Pierre, and then where would we be? No Uggla and a failing 2nd baseman for $5 million and bonus coming to boot and a $6 million centerfielder who can't buy a hit or get on base, the two things you pay a guy with a below average arm to do. I wasn't embarrassed to be a fan of this team in April and I'm not now. As for this scouting thing. The only scouting change I'm aware of was letting their head of Latin American scouting go to another team for alot more money, and he was ultimately replaced. If there's more to this I'd like to know or if there is something I missed educate me, but it seems to me their scouting team did a pretty fair job finding Dan Uggla and determining Joe Borowski was healthy again and providing the front office with the counsel that led to acquiring Mike Jacobs, Anibel Sanchez, Hanley Ramirez and Miguel Olivo, they didn't just pick those names out of a hat. And it wasn't by use of a dart board that they have drafted as well as they have the last two years. Someone had to scout Volstad and the rest. So thanks for the acknowledgement and I still owe you a beer, but these threads and a similar one now active frustrate the heck out of me because I make it a point to watch Loria at games and I watch him agonizing, truly agonizing when we do poorly and joyous when we succeed, and I honestly believe (and again the rest of you have your opinion, no one knows who is right or wrong, not Forbes, not the Herald or Sun-Sentinel, no one, but this one is mine) this was the only rational choice to be made.
July 3, 200620 yr You are correct to assume payroll would have increased as more players spent part of their time on the major league roster. Players receive a huge boost up in salary as they join the major leagues. Players on the DL make the same as if they were playing. Players demoted rarely ever earn less than the major league minimum in the minors. That wage carries through until the end of the season unless they have a split major league - minor league contract.
July 3, 200620 yr First of all payroll is approximately $20 million and not $14 million. Second there are incentives in several players contracts, Borowski for example has already earned over $300,000 in bonuses. Third the major league payroll is in our case does not represent anywhere near a majority of the team's expenses. We probably will pony up half the salary $$$ in signing bonuses to recent draftees, there's the ridiculously high rent they pay for PPS, there are minor league and front office, scouting and administrative salaries. The list of costs is endless. 15 or 20 Million. What's the difference. It's still a disgrace. But the team certainly isn't a disgrace. To say they've been outperforming their salaries would be the understatement of the year. If it continues like this for most of the season I think it will have a profound effect on future baseball salaries. Of course that's a huge IF, but let's hope for the best. On the cost side, sounds like costs that all teams have...although Loria has cut back on scouting and who knows what else. The only difference is the rent. In a new stadium we would pay I imagine roughly 10 Million a year in rent. How much is this ridiculously high rent we pay Wayne? I've always wondered. Don't get into the revenue end. I understand the difference. And 03, very good early call on Uggla. You were as far as I know the first to spot him as something special. When Forbes presents their baseball Operating Profit numbers they show Revenue, Payroll Expenses and Operating Income. They don't show the total of the other Operating Expenses are but if you take the Revenues and subtract the Operating Income and then subtract the Payroll Expenses you get what the other Operating Expenses are. I did that for either '05 or '06 (I forget) and the Marlins' other Operating Expenses were about $42 million. I also did the calculation for all the other small revenue teams and the average was about $40 or $45 million.
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