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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washingt...serland&emc=rss

Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts

 

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By JOHN KIFNER

Published: July 7, 2006

 

A decade after the Pentagon declared a zero-tolerance policy for racist hate groups, recruiting shortfalls caused by the war in Iraq have allowed "large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists" to infiltrate the military, according to a watchdog organization.

 

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, estimated that the numbers could run into the thousands, citing interviews with Defense Department investigators and reports and postings on racist Web sites and magazines.

 

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org. "That's a problem."

 

A Defense Department spokeswoman said officials there could not comment on the report because they had not yet seen it.

 

The center called on Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to appoint a task force to study the problem, declare a new zero tolerance policy and strictly enforce it.

 

The report said that neo-Nazi groups like the National Alliance, whose founder, William Pierce, wrote "The Turner Diaries," the novel that was the inspiration and blueprint for Timothy J. McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, sought to enroll followers in the Army to get training for a race war.

 

The groups are being abetted, the report said, by pressure on recruiters, particularly for the Army, to meet quotas that are more difficult to reach because of the growing unpopularity of the war in Iraq.

 

The report quotes Scott Barfield, a Defense Department investigator, saying, "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members."

 

Mr. Barfield said Army recruiters struggled last year to meet goals. "They don't want to make a big deal again about neo-Nazis in the military," he said, "because then parents who are already worried about their kids signing up and dying in Iraq are going to be even more reluctant about their kids enlisting if they feel they'll be exposed to gangs and white supremacists."

 

The 1996 crackdown on extremists came after revelations that Mr. McVeigh had espoused far-right ideas when he was in the Army and recruited two fellow soldiers to aid his bomb plot. Those revelations were followed by a furor that developed when three white paratroopers were convicted of the random slaying of a black couple in order to win tattoos and 19 others were discharged for participating in neo-Nazi activities.

 

The defense secretary at the time, William Perry, said the rules were meant to leave no room for racist and extremist activities within the military. But the report said Mr. Barfield, who is based at Fort Lewis, Wash., had said that he had provided evidence on 320 extremists there in the past year, but that only two had been discharged. He also said there was an online network of neo-Nazis.

 

"They're communicating with each other about weapons, about recruiting, about keeping their identities secret, about organizing within the military," he said. "Several of these individuals have since been deployed to combat missions in Iraq."

 

The report cited accounts by neo-Nazis of their infiltration of the military, including a discussion on the white supremacist Web site Stormfront. "There are others among you in the forces," one participant wrote. "You are never alone."

 

An article in the National Alliance magazine Resistance urged skinheads to join the Army and insist on being assigned to light infantry units.

 

The Southern Poverty Law Center identified the author as Steven Barry, who it said was a former Special Forces officer who was the alliance's "military unit coordinator."

 

"Light infantry is your branch of choice because the coming race war and the ethnic cleansing to follow will be very much an infantryman's war," he wrote. "It will be house-to-house, neighborhood-by-neighborhood until your town or city is cleared and the alien races are driven into the countryside where they can be hunted down and 'cleansed.' "

 

He concluded: "As a professional soldier, my goal is to fill the ranks of the United States Army with skinheads. As street brawlers, you will be useless in the coming race war. As trained infantrymen, you will join the ranks of the Aryan warrior brotherhood."

 

 

Defense dollars at work.

 

Personally I think this is great, let's share our hate groups around the world. What better way to show other countries that we love freedom of thought and speech than allowing our most off-color citizens to liberate them. Plus the neo-nazis and middle-easterners have at least one thing in common, Jews.

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

 

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

 

I don't think that is true. I don't think they willingly recruit mentally unstable people.

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

 

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

giggity giggity goo!!!-i.e. i agree completely... :shifty

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

 

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

giggity giggity goo!!!-i.e. i agree completely... :shifty

 

 

The recruiting numbers had been going down since before 9-11. They spiked for a brief period shortly after and then began to go back itno the steady decline. There is no causal connection between Iraq and the alleged 'quagmire' in which we've lost less troops in 3 years than we lost on an avergae day in vietnam or korea. Since the draft was taken away it makes sense less ppl will join in wartime. And god forbid the military even lets gays in!!!

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

 

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

giggity giggity goo!!!-i.e. i agree completely... :shifty

 

 

The recruiting numbers had been going down since before 9-11. They spiked for a brief period shortly after and then began to go back itno the steady decline. There is no causal connection between Iraq and the alleged 'quagmire' in which we've lost less troops in 3 years than we lost on an avergae day in vietnam or korea. Since the draft was taken away it makes sense less ppl will join in wartime. And god forbid the military even lets gays in!!!

my casual connection between korea, vietnam and iraq is that they are all illegal wars that serve no purpose to the average, everyday american...time to throw presidents who piss on the constitution in jail, no matter what party they are from

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

 

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

giggity giggity goo!!!-i.e. i agree completely... :shifty

 

 

The recruiting numbers had been going down since before 9-11. They spiked for a brief period shortly after and then began to go back itno the steady decline. There is no causal connection between Iraq and the alleged 'quagmire' in which we've lost less troops in 3 years than we lost on an avergae day in vietnam or korea. Since the draft was taken away it makes sense less ppl will join in wartime. And god forbid the military even lets gays in!!!

my casual connection between korea, vietnam and iraq is that they are all illegal wars that serve no purpose to the average, everyday american...time to throw presidents who piss on the constitution in jail, no matter what party they are from

 

 

Illegal? Bad choice of words. The president has the power to move troops as commander in chief, so they arent illegal per se. And the causal conneciton I'm referring to is not b/w the three wars, it b/w the iraqi war and the diminishing numbers of enlisted folks in our armed forces. There are very good arguments as to why we went into Korea, hindsight may show youre right, but one must think back to the time when it occured.

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

 

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

giggity giggity goo!!!-i.e. i agree completely... :shifty

 

 

The recruiting numbers had been going down since before 9-11. They spiked for a brief period shortly after and then began to go back itno the steady decline. There is no causal connection between Iraq and the alleged 'quagmire' in which we've lost less troops in 3 years than we lost on an avergae day in vietnam or korea. Since the draft was taken away it makes sense less ppl will join in wartime. And god forbid the military even lets gays in!!!

my casual connection between korea, vietnam and iraq is that they are all illegal wars that serve no purpose to the average, everyday american...time to throw presidents who piss on the constitution in jail, no matter what party they are from

 

 

Illegal? Bad choice of words. The president has the power to move troops as commander in chief, so they arent illegal per se. And the causal conneciton I'm referring to is not b/w the three wars, it b/w the iraqi war and the diminishing numbers of enlisted folks in our armed forces. There are very good arguments as to why we went into Korea, hindsight may show youre right, but one must think back to the time when it occured.

i cant remember the source exactly...but there was one big political opponent of Korea saying how communism would die out on its own and you cant stop the spread of the idea (of communism) from getting around because the pen is mightier than the sword(or somewhere along those lines)...and yeah...the president can move troops at will...but congress has to vote on war and they havent done that since WW II...i dont know...its just sad that all these troops are going around the globe to fight and die in wars that are started by misguided or just down right bully presidents...i mean damn, i know power goes straight to their head...but it shouldnt go right to their trigger finger as soon as they get in office

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what you forget to mention is that Iraq and Vietnam were both authorized by Congress, so even though there was no formal delcaration of war made, it was authorized so it wasnt just the executive doing as it pleased in those two cases

 

weren't they just financially authorized? i mean i know it doesnt sound like much of a difference but there is...i guess my point is when will american politicians stop living in fear...first the reds, now the religion...why cant we just respect other peoples idealogies and religious faiths and stay the hell out of their countries?

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what you forget to mention is that Iraq and Vietnam were both authorized by Congress, so even though there was no formal delcaration of war made, it was authorized so it wasnt just the executive doing as it pleased in those two cases

 

weren't they just financially authorized? i mean i know it doesnt sound like much of a difference but there is...i guess my point is when will american politicians stop living in fear...first the reds, now the religion...why cant we just respect other peoples idealogies and religious faiths and stay the hell out of their countries?

 

 

Well at least in terms of the USSR, we couldnt just do that b/c if the 'reds' took over Europe, what was to stop them from trying to take over America as well. And European nations at the time were our allies and trade partners, so we couldnt just let it happen.

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what you forget to mention is that Iraq and Vietnam were both authorized by Congress, so even though there was no formal delcaration of war made, it was authorized so it wasnt just the executive doing as it pleased in those two cases

 

weren't they just financially authorized? i mean i know it doesnt sound like much of a difference but there is...i guess my point is when will american politicians stop living in fear...first the reds, now the religion...why cant we just respect other peoples idealogies and religious faiths and stay the hell out of their countries?

 

 

Well at least in terms of the USSR, we couldnt just do that b/c if the 'reds' took over Europe, what was to stop them from trying to take over America as well. And European nations at the time were our allies and trade partners, so we couldnt just let it happen.

ok...with this im playing devil's advocate...so please bare with me...but what is sooooooo wrong with communism...its an idealogy...its no better or worse then democracy when practiced correctly...which is the problem since no communist country has really followed the principles of the communist manifesto too well...one could even argue that communism/socialism is a better system when practiced correctly...so i guess my point really is that America needs to be a lot less ignorant to the ideas and cultures of other people in the world

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what you forget to mention is that Iraq and Vietnam were both authorized by Congress, so even though there was no formal delcaration of war made, it was authorized so it wasnt just the executive doing as it pleased in those two cases

 

weren't they just financially authorized? i mean i know it doesnt sound like much of a difference but there is...i guess my point is when will american politicians stop living in fear...first the reds, now the religion...why cant we just respect other peoples idealogies and religious faiths and stay the hell out of their countries?

 

 

Well at least in terms of the USSR, we couldnt just do that b/c if the 'reds' took over Europe, what was to stop them from trying to take over America as well. And European nations at the time were our allies and trade partners, so we couldnt just let it happen.

ok...with this im playing devil's advocate...so please bare with me...but what is sooooooo wrong with communism...its an idealogy...its no better or worse then democracy when practiced correctly...which is the problem since no communist country has really followed the principles of the communist manifesto too well...one could even argue that communism/socialism is a better system when practiced correctly...so i guess my point really is that America needs to be a lot less ignorant to the ideas and cultures of other people in the world

 

 

Ok briefly bc i dont want to get into this. Democracy and communism are not opposites. Economically theres communism vs. capitalism...politically liberalism vs. communism. Communism has never been practiced according to the manifesto bc marx said for revolution to occur technology needs to be at a level where it is self sustaining and creates an unlimited surplus. So it is arguable that the communist states of our day are the only way that a communist system can be implemented practically, b/c the tech isnt at marx's level yet to induce revolution. So the point is, you see it as America 'imposing' its will on other nations, militarily you claim, when in reality Capitalism which is our eocnomic system is what has been embraced almost globally, and since america is the largest ccapitalist state, that economic system will forever be associated with america.

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i just dont like the idea of using our military to impose capitalism...thats not for us to decide...but good post there...also i wouldnt say embraced globally...more like force fed and some kinda liked the taste

 

I don't agree with it either. Force-feeding democracy to the rest of the world destroys the point of democracy in the first place. People should be allowed to choose their own form of government, as this country did when it was created.

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It's no secret that the Pentagon will take just about anyone into the military these days, including people with criminal pasts and mental instability.

It's the Pentagon's fault that their recruiting numbers are low, as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

 

I don't think that is true. I don't think they willingly recruit mentally unstable people.

 

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/i...ll=7&thispage=1

 

They do

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Officials are now investigating whether recruiters at the U.S. Army Recruiting Station in Southeast Portland improperly concealed Jared's disability, which should have made him ineligible for service.

 

Recuiters are salesmen, and they have pressure. Numbers, numbers and numbers. It's not really a wonder why they have to resort to falsifying information about new recuits.

 

What is a wonder is why more people don't enlist in the military. The Air Force is a good gig, and I'll be rididing out my enlistment, with all benifits and having done my service.

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Officials are now investigating whether recruiters at the U.S. Army Recruiting Station in Southeast Portland improperly concealed Jared's disability, which should have made him ineligible for service.

 

Recuiters are salesmen, and they have pressure. Numbers, numbers and numbers. It's not really a wonder why they have to resort to falsifying information about new recuits.

 

What is a wonder is why more people don't enlist in the military. The Air Force is a good gig, and I'll be rididing out my enlistment, with all benifits and having done my service.

Unlimited, free healthcare for life is one helluva good deal. I mean, that alone could be worth millions if you decided to start smoking and developed some chronic illnesses.

 

It's amazing how hooked-up the patients at the VA hospital here are.

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Oh, the neo-Nazis are at it about this as well http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=307931

 

Here's something to keep in mind. On 9/11, quite a few of there were saying that they wish they had done it and they saluted OBL. Supposedly they';ve received some covert help from OBL. They share a common hatred of Jews.

 

How do we know that overseas we won't see acts like fragging on the rise?

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as most people with a brain won't sign up to get involved in the quagmire better known as Iraq.

 

You are such a moron.

 

Let's see The First Twins and Jeb's kids go...

 

Jeb Jr. should fit right in..he likes to beat up on cops...

Um, okay?

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Unlimited, free healthcare for life is one helluva good deal. I mean, that alone could be worth millions if you decided to start smoking and developed some chronic illnesses.

 

It's amazing how hooked-up the patients at the VA hospital here are.

 

They are building a new VA hospital here in Lee County...it will be very nice considering what they have now in terms of the Fort Myers Clinic or the drive up to Tampa for a VA Hospital.

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