DENVER (AP) -- President Bush will probably issue his first veto if the Senate approves a bill to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove told a newspaper's editorial board.

 

"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in the meeting Monday, according to a story posted on the Denver Post's Web site.

 

The House has already passed the stem cell legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colorado, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Delaware.

 

Rove said he believes the legislation will pass the Senate with more than 60 votes sometime this month -- "and as a result the president would, as he has previously said emphatically, veto the Castle bill."

 

The Bush administration has allowed federal funding only for existing lines of embryonic stem cells. Researchers and patients' groups say that policy hinders vital research.

 

"We were all an embryo at one point, and we ought to as a society be very careful about being callous about the wanton destruction of embryos, of life," Rove said. He said research shows "we have far more promise from adult stem cells than from embryonic stem cells."

 

Rove was in Colorado to speak Sunday at an Aspen Institute forum.

 

Rove rallied about 400 Republican volunteers at a fundraiser late Monday in suburban Parker, accusing Democrats of being weak on Iraq and the economy.

 

He also attended a fundraiser for major donors at the home of Admin Richardson in Denver, party chairman Bob Martinez said.

 

Rove, who helped the state party raise a total of $200,000, said the major issues in this fall's election would be the economy and Iraq. He criticized Democrats for wanting to pull troops out of Iraq, calling their strategy "cut and run".

 

He drew applause when he said the world was a better place without Saddam Hussein in power. He said anyone who doubts what the U.S. is fighting for should spend $13.95 to buy a collection of Osama Bin Laden's writings.

 

"We're in a war with Islamic facists... They want to reestablish and caliphate, an Islamic empire," he said.

 

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Why does it have to be federally funded though? I agree it shouldn't be banned by the government, but i think private organizations should be the ones researching stem cells

DENVER (AP) -- President Bush will probably issue his first veto if the Senate approves a bill to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove told a newspaper's editorial board.

 

"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in the meeting Monday, according to a story posted on the Denver Post's Web site.

 

The House has already passed the stem cell legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colorado, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Delaware.

 

Rove said he believes the legislation will pass the Senate with more than 60 votes sometime this month -- "and as a result the president would, as he has previously said emphatically, veto the Castle bill."

 

The Bush administration has allowed federal funding only for existing lines of embryonic stem cells. Researchers and patients' groups say that policy hinders vital research.

 

"We were all an embryo at one point, and we ought to as a society be very careful about being callous about the wanton destruction of embryos, of life," Rove said. He said research shows "we have far more promise from adult stem cells than from embryonic stem cells."

 

Rove was in Colorado to speak Sunday at an Aspen Institute forum.

 

Rove rallied about 400 Republican volunteers at a fundraiser late Monday in suburban Parker, accusing Democrats of being weak on Iraq and the economy.

 

He also attended a fundraiser for major donors at the home of Admin Richardson in Denver, party chairman Bob Martinez said.

 

Rove, who helped the state party raise a total of $200,000, said the major issues in this fall's election would be the economy and Iraq. He criticized Democrats for wanting to pull troops out of Iraq, calling their strategy "cut and run".

 

He drew applause when he said the world was a better place without Saddam Hussein in power. He said anyone who doubts what the U.S. is fighting for should spend $13.95 to buy a collection of Osama Bin Laden's writings.

 

"We're in a war with Islamic facists... They want to reestablish and caliphate, an Islamic empire," he said.

 

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/11/rov...l.ap/index.html

why does the bush administration continue to try to make us believe there is some connection between iraq and Al Queda...i just dont get it...its like arguing with a wall(accord)...

DENVER (AP) -- President Bush will probably issue his first veto if the Senate approves a bill to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove told a newspaper's editorial board.

 

"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in the meeting Monday, according to a story posted on the Denver Post's Web site.

 

The House has already passed the stem cell legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colorado, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Delaware.

 

Rove said he believes the legislation will pass the Senate with more than 60 votes sometime this month -- "and as a result the president would, as he has previously said emphatically, veto the Castle bill."

 

The Bush administration has allowed federal funding only for existing lines of embryonic stem cells. Researchers and patients' groups say that policy hinders vital research.

 

"We were all an embryo at one point, and we ought to as a society be very careful about being callous about the wanton destruction of embryos, of life," Rove said. He said research shows "we have far more promise from adult stem cells than from embryonic stem cells."

 

Rove was in Colorado to speak Sunday at an Aspen Institute forum.

 

Rove rallied about 400 Republican volunteers at a fundraiser late Monday in suburban Parker, accusing Democrats of being weak on Iraq and the economy.

 

He also attended a fundraiser for major donors at the home of Admin Richardson in Denver, party chairman Bob Martinez said.

 

Rove, who helped the state party raise a total of $200,000, said the major issues in this fall's election would be the economy and Iraq. He criticized Democrats for wanting to pull troops out of Iraq, calling their strategy "cut and run".

 

He drew applause when he said the world was a better place without Saddam Hussein in power. He said anyone who doubts what the U.S. is fighting for should spend $13.95 to buy a collection of Osama Bin Laden's writings.

 

"We're in a war with Islamic facists... They want to reestablish and caliphate, an Islamic empire," he said.

 

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/11/rov...l.ap/index.html

why does the bush administration continue to try to make us believe there is some connection between iraq and Al Queda...i just dont get it...its like arguing with a wall(accord)...

 

 

Let's strick to the more relevalt part of the article

Why does it have to be federally funded though? I agree it shouldn't be banned by the government, but i think private organizations should be the ones researching stem cells

 

Fair enough reason agaisnt it, but not really the one for Bush. Federal government funds a lot of various things, why not this? Especially in light of the fact that he has let spending become rampant without using the veto. Ridiculous to use it for this.

Why does it have to be federally funded though? I agree it shouldn't be banned by the government, but i think private organizations should be the ones researching stem cells

 

Fair enough reason, but not really the one for Bush. Federal government funds a lot of various things, why not this?

 

 

I agree somewhat (and thanks for trying to keep educated discussion on this thread). My problem is with a lot of federal funding in general. However practically speaking, I believe this is a better thing to federally fund than many other things that are currently being funded.

DENVER (AP) -- President Bush will probably issue his first veto if the Senate approves a bill to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove told a newspaper's editorial board.

 

"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in the meeting Monday, according to a story posted on the Denver Post's Web site.

 

The House has already passed the stem cell legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colorado, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Delaware.

 

Rove said he believes the legislation will pass the Senate with more than 60 votes sometime this month -- "and as a result the president would, as he has previously said emphatically, veto the Castle bill."

 

The Bush administration has allowed federal funding only for existing lines of embryonic stem cells. Researchers and patients' groups say that policy hinders vital research.

 

"We were all an embryo at one point, and we ought to as a society be very careful about being callous about the wanton destruction of embryos, of life," Rove said. He said research shows "we have far more promise from adult stem cells than from embryonic stem cells."

 

Rove was in Colorado to speak Sunday at an Aspen Institute forum.

 

Rove rallied about 400 Republican volunteers at a fundraiser late Monday in suburban Parker, accusing Democrats of being weak on Iraq and the economy.

 

He also attended a fundraiser for major donors at the home of Admin Richardson in Denver, party chairman Bob Martinez said.

 

Rove, who helped the state party raise a total of $200,000, said the major issues in this fall's election would be the economy and Iraq. He criticized Democrats for wanting to pull troops out of Iraq, calling their strategy "cut and run".

 

He drew applause when he said the world was a better place without Saddam Hussein in power. He said anyone who doubts what the U.S. is fighting for should spend $13.95 to buy a collection of Osama Bin Laden's writings.

 

"We're in a war with Islamic facists... They want to reestablish and caliphate, an Islamic empire," he said.

 

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/11/rov...l.ap/index.html

why does the bush administration continue to try to make us believe there is some connection between iraq and Al Queda...i just dont get it...its like arguing with a wall(accord)...

 

 

Let's strick to the more relevalt part of the article

ok...i wonder if W. would approve of stem cell research if his daddy dearest had some incurable disease...or would he just sit there and think about it as the disease ATTACKED his body...my money is on number 2 since he likes to just sit there...maybe he will read an age appropriate childrens book

Well in a way, he didnt change his position despite the pleas of Nancy Reagan. :confused

Well in a way, he didnt change his position despite the pleas of Nancy Reagan. :confused

 

Or the fact that "Dr." Bill Frist supports it. You might remember him as the man who looked at a video of Terri Schiavo and incorrectly believed that she was responding to stimulus.

 

Several other big-time Republicans also support stem-cell research. It would be criminal to throw away this kind of scientific and medical potential for an unfounded theory.

Well, we'll have Bush to thank when all the innovations from stem-cell research start popping up in every country but ours. It's potentially a tremendous blow to our economy. But nevermind that. Nevermind that a majority of this country supports stem-cell research, and nevermind that this majority appears across the political spectrum. It's more important that Bush stand in the way of stem-cell research because it conflicts with the religious views that he and a narrow portion of our population share in common.

Well, if we're throwing out government money anyways, might as well use it on something that's worth it.

Why does it have to be federally funded though? I agree it shouldn't be banned by the government, but i think private organizations should be the ones researching stem cells

Why does it have to be federally funded though? I agree it shouldn't be banned by the government, but i think private organizations should be the ones researching stem cells

Why does it have to be federally funded though? I agree it shouldn't be banned by the government, but i think private organizations should be the ones researching stem cells

 

 

 

It's almost like you've taken Superman's joke and made it your own.

 

TRULY A SHOWMAN FOR THE AGES!

Why does it have to be federally funded though? I agree it shouldn't be banned by the government, but i think private organizations should be the ones researching stem cells

What was it legacyofcangelosi was saying about people just agreeing with each other in threads? Accord, your ability to make yourself look bad through irony never ceases to amaze me.

 

Anyway, nobody can honestly think this is about whether the federal government should fund this or not. Like I said, they fund a crapload of stuff. Why shouldnt this be funded too? I dont exactly see a line of conservatives pushing for NASA to have its funding cutoff.

What was it legacyofcangelosi was saying about people just agreeing with each other in threads? Accord, your ability to make yourself look bad through irony never ceases to amaze me.

 

Anyway, nobody can honestly think this is about whether the federal government should fund this or not. Like I said, they fund a crapload of stuff. Why shouldnt this be funded too? I dont exactly see a line of conservatives pushing for NASA to have its funding cutoff.

 

NASA is something of an oddity. It can almost be argued that it is a close relative to our defense measures (military). While NASA IS civilian there were certainly military implications behind its creation and operation.

Yeah but it has enough of a civilian component to make the point still valid. And NASA is just one example. Heck, why is Bush ok with funding faith based projects and not this?

What was it legacyofcangelosi was saying about people just agreeing with each other in threads? Accord, your ability to make yourself look bad through irony never ceases to amaze me.

 

Anyway, nobody can honestly think this is about whether the federal government should fund this or not. Like I said, they fund a crapload of stuff. Why shouldnt this be funded too? I dont exactly see a line of conservatives pushing for NASA to have its funding cutoff.

Actually I have said on this board that I don't support the funding of NASA.

 

I don't think those are the conservatives you meant, I assume you meant those in office.

The government does plenty of funding for basic science research, doesn't it? And isn't our federal support for science one of the reasons we became such a focal point for scientific research? That this is different primarily for religious reasons bothers me.

 

And doesn't it bother you that we're losing some of our best minds to other countries that are more supportive of stem-cell research?

 

The research won't stop. I'm sure there is some private funding of stem cell research here. But, if the situation is more conducive to progress in other countries, then that's where all the innovation is going to shift to, and those are the countries that will benefit the most.

What was it legacyofcangelosi was saying about people just agreeing with each other in threads? Accord, your ability to make yourself look bad through irony never ceases to amaze me.

 

Anyway, nobody can honestly think this is about whether the federal government should fund this or not. Like I said, they fund a crapload of stuff. Why shouldnt this be funded too? I dont exactly see a line of conservatives pushing for NASA to have its funding cutoff.

Actually I have said on this board that I don't support the funding of NASA.

 

I don't think those are the conservatives you meant, I assume you meant those in office.

Yeah, moreso the social conservatives who are fighting against the funding. As an issue, funding isnt the debate but rather the moral aspect. Thats what Rove emphasises in the article also.

 

The research won't stop. I'm sure there is some private funding of stem cell research here. But, if the situation is more conducive to progress in other countries, then that's where all the innovation is going to shift to, and those are the countries that will benefit the most.

 

Absolutely agree. Im sure major patent implications could be involved too.

I'm theoretically for the Star Wars program.

 

Too bad it's not the 80's.

I'm theoretically for the Star Wars program.

 

Too bad it's not the 80's.

 

Who's going to shoot a missile at us? North Korea was the closest threat, and their missile blew up within 40 seconds of launch.

 

We should be spending that money on increased port security measures. It's 100 times more likely that a nuclear weapon could be smuggled into the U.S. and used as a weapon, rather than an attack by a nuclear missile.

 

The current missile shield technology has been extremely unreliable, and should be eliminated to cut down on federal spending.

I'm theoretically for the Star Wars program.

 

Too bad it's not the 80's.

 

Who's going to shoot a missile at us? North Korea was the closest threat, and their missile blew up within 40 seconds of launch.

 

We should be spending that money on increased port security measures. It's 100 times more likely that a nuclear weapon could be smuggled into the U.S. and used as a weapon, rather than an attack by a nuclear missile.

 

The current missile shield technology has been extremely unreliable, and should be eliminated to cut down on federal spending.

 

Well, Russia's been losing nukes since the cold war and had numerous miscounts. I'm just saying.

 

Plus, it wasn't feasible and it probably wouldn't have worked to any degree that would have made it worth spending billions of dollars on.

No terrorist group is going to be able to launch a missile. That can be stopped much easier than a direct attack.

So, you think the North Koreans are gonna "stop" trying to produce a missile that can reach the US? Just because they have had a recent failure doesnt mean they wont get it right eventually.