I'd be in favor of bringing JP back.

I love it because the people who are against this deal are the ones who will be bitchin and moanin if the FO does no moves at the deadline....HOW COULD THEY STAND PAT?!?!?.....JP represents a better option then Cody Ross and Reggie.....

 

 

Thanks for speaking for me. :thumbdown

I love it because the people who are against this deal are the ones who will be bitchin and moanin if the FO does no moves at the deadline....HOW COULD THEY STAND PAT?!?!?.....JP represents a better option then Cody Ross and Reggie.....

 

Im going to say you are totally wrong on that one

I love it because the people who are against this deal are the ones who will be bitchin and moanin if the FO does no moves at the deadline....HOW COULD THEY STAND PAT?!?!?.....JP represents a better option then Cody Ross and Reggie.....

 

You have no idea how wrong you are.

 

I don't want the Marlins to make any moves. This season is about learning, not mortgaging the future for a chance at the playoffs.

I love it because the people who are against this deal are the ones who will be bitchin and moanin if the FO does no moves at the deadline....HOW COULD THEY STAND PAT?!?!?.....JP represents a better option then Cody Ross and Reggie.....

 

 

 

You are right, I will be extremely upset if the FO doesn't trade Joe Borowski for 2-3 good prospects before the end of the July 31st trading deadline.

I like it for a few reasons, and here's why:

 

1) He's cheaper than any other FA option out there, so anyone who wouldn't take a "hollow" .320 BA with 50 SB's, how'd you rather take a hollow .280 BA with 5 steals?

 

2) By adding him to the lineup, he' make us more versatile than any of the other guys would make us batting at the bottom of the lineup; here's how I see it shaking out:

 

Pierre

Ramirez

Cabrera

Jacobs

Uggla

Hermida

Hammer

Olivo

P

 

That's a really versatile lineup, and it will create more RBI opportunities for Hermida and Uggla, a big plus in my book.

 

Finally, I like it because it's an overwhelmingly positive gesture to the fans, as well as a move to pacify Dontrelle.

 

Is Pierre the best CF in baseball? No, but he's probably top 15 and really, that's all this team is going to be able to afford unless there's a drastic shift in club policy. He's the best that will be available, and he's also probably the best we can afford in the offseason. It just makes a lot more sense when you consider all angles and realize that Ross and Amezaga aren't getting any better than what we've seen this year.

 

Seriously, just do it. Please.

Wow. It just gets sicker and sicker and sicker...

 

I'm more the deer caught in the headlights than the axe-waving lunatic. So if you would please help me understand your (or anyone else's) position, do so.

Lol, at least it's not Spike

 

 

WTF man. Your a douche if there ever was one.

Let's hope this ish gets done soon; I don't want to see these arguments for longer than need be.

 

Maybe you guys forget, but it was Juan Pierre that silenced the stadium in New York in game one of the WS with his small ball maneuvers.

 

I think he also was responsible for the other run that game with an RBI.

 

Point is he's a fan favorite, a sentimental godsend, in his prime, playing great ball lately, and has a VERY successful history in South Florida.

 

And not to mention a MENTOR for our young core of players.

 

A great clubhouse addition.

 

A fantastic teammate with incredible work ethic that could be admired and copied by others.

 

We're talking about (POSSIBLY) Renyel Pinto here. It sounds like there are other alternatives anyway..

 

These guys have a higher ceiling than Pinto:

 

Hernandez

Volstad

Petit

West

Sinkbeil

 

And that doesn't include OUR CURRENT staff of YOUNG pitchers.

 

All in all, Pinto will have a HUGE mountain to climb to make this ballclub as a starter. And if you want him as a reliever, than your argument to not trade him for Pierre is just about moot.

 

BAH

 

 

BAH

Also, yeah Lefty, thanks for reminding me.

 

Another reason I love this; Retsko and Pinto, while having talent, are hardly elite prospects and have a long way to go to simply make this team in any capacity.

 

Plus, it looks as if teams aren't exactly falling all over themselves to grab this young crop of pitching we've hoarded, so getting a center-fielder back who represents a 3 year peak service plan makes sense.

 

Either way you slice it, Beinfest still won't have parted with his big bargaining chips (West, Petit, Sinkbeil, Tucker, Volstad, Hernandez) or his mid level ones (Harvey, Delgado, G. Sanchez) to fill a big position of organizational weakness, and fill it to the best of our budgetary ability.

:lol @ Swifty

 

"Budgetary"

 

 

 

:mischief

:lol @ Swifty

 

"Budgetary"

 

 

 

:mischief

 

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at, it is a word.

 

Middle English bouget, wallet, from Old French bougette, diminutive of bouge, leather bag, from Latin bulga, of Celtic origin. See bhelgh- in Indo-European Roots.]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

budget?ary (bj-tr) adj.

budget?er or budget?eer (--t?r) n.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Budget

I know it is, but it sounds marginal.

I know it is, but it sounds marginal.

 

I prefer Land o Lakes.

I know it is, but it sounds marginal.

 

I prefer Land o Lakes.

 

Pwned.

So I guess there's three of us now. :lol

 

Yeah, people think a .320 OBP from a leadoff guy with bad CF defense is awesome because what he did 3 years ago. I really don't get it.

 

What about that shot he hit in Cincinnatti?

 

Oh wait...

There is no way the Cubs will except Pinto who was sent back to the minors in trying to improve the Marlins new setup man. I say Matt Herges, Joe Borowski who is drawing interest with the Philadelphia Phillies who is badly need of a closer, Brian Moehler who will be back Sunday the Texas Rangers is awing over the roster they want a veteran pitcher to take them to the playoffs.

"

West W L PCT GB L10 STRK HOME ROAD LAST GAME NEXT GAME

Los Angeles 52 49 .515 - - 6-4 W1 24-24 28-25 7/26 @ TB, W 15-6 7/28 @ BOS, 7:05P

Oakland 52 49 .515 - - 5-5 W1 25-24 27-25 7/26 v BOS, W 5-1 7/27 v TOR, 10:05P

Texas 51 51 .500 1.5 4-6 L4 25-28 26-23 7/26 v NYY, L 7-8 7/28 v KC, 8:35P

Seattle 49 52 .485 3.0 5-5 W1 28-26 21-26 7/26 v TOR, W 7-4 7/28 @ CLE, 7:05P "

 

Where Texas stands.

 

And Philadelphia a game behind the Marlins.

 

And we are also six games behind in the NL Wild Card.

 

Maybe they will take a Jason Vargas, because Anibal Sanchez is doing so well in the rotation.

 

And a Juan Pierre deal back to the Marlins is only a heartbeat away, it really because they are friends that is why he wants to come back to the team. I do not think the Cubs will take back players they traded away back to their team.

 

Someone with a large contract like Wes Helms, Borowski, or Moehler, or Herges.

 

:whistle

I say Matt Herges, Joe Borowski who is drawing interest with the Philadelphia Phillies who is badly need of a closer.

The Phillies have Tom Gordon:

 

Tom Gordon's Stats

There is no way the Cubs will except Pinto who was sent back to the minors in trying to improve the Marlins new setup man. I say Matt Herges, Joe Borowski who is drawing interest with the Philadelphia Phillies who is badly need of a closer, Brian Moehler who will be back Sunday the Texas Rangers is awing over the roster they want a veteran pitcher to take them to the playoffs.

"

West W L PCT GB L10 STRK HOME ROAD LAST GAME NEXT GAME

Los Angeles 52 49 .515 - - 6-4 W1 24-24 28-25 7/26 @ TB, W 15-6 7/28 @ BOS, 7:05P

Oakland 52 49 .515 - - 5-5 W1 25-24 27-25 7/26 v BOS, W 5-1 7/27 v TOR, 10:05P

Texas 51 51 .500 1.5 4-6 L4 25-28 26-23 7/26 v NYY, L 7-8 7/28 v KC, 8:35P

Seattle 49 52 .485 3.0 5-5 W1 28-26 21-26 7/26 v TOR, W 7-4 7/28 @ CLE, 7:05P "

 

Where Texas stands.

 

And Philadelphia a game behind the Marlins.

 

And we are also six games behind in the NL Wild Card.

 

Maybe they will take a Jason Vargas, because Anibal Sanchez is doing so well in the rotation.

 

And a Juan Pierre deal back to the Marlins is only a heartbeat away, it really because they are friends that is why he wants to come back to the team. I do not think the Cubs will take back players they traded away back to their team.

 

Someone with a large contract like Wes Helms, Borowski, or Moehler, or Herges.

 

:whistle

 

I don't think you understand. The players mentioned at the beginning of this thread are the players being discussed in trade talks.

A comment today based various postings on local newspaper websites and flamarlins.com -

 

I wonder if there is disagreement between Beinfest and the organization, and Joe Girardi and his coaches, over the value of acquiring JP. What I see is Girardi touting Ross' skills and Hanley's ability to score when he gets on base (see today's Marlins website, "Notes: Hanley on the run" which features positive quotes from Girardi on both players, including one of importance here that "...Cody is going to play," Girardi said. "You have to earn your playing time, and he's earned his playing time."

 

Now perhaps he means in left field but the jist of pieces in some of today's online editions of our south florida papers is to acknowledge Ross' CF play in a positive manner.

 

Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's telling. Stay tuned.

A comment today based various postings on local newspaper websites and flamarlins.com -

 

I wonder if there is disagreement between Beinfest and the organization, and Joe Girardi and his coaches, over the value of acquiring JP. What I see is Girardi touting Ross' skills and Hanley's ability to score when he gets on base (see today's Marlins website, "Notes: Hanley on the run" which features positive quotes from Girardi on both players, including one of importance here that "...Cody is going to play," Girardi said. "You have to earn your playing time, and he's earned his playing time."

 

Now perhaps he means in left field but the jist of pieces in some of today's online editions of our south florida papers is to acknowledge Ross' CF play in a positive manner.

 

Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's telling. Stay tuned.

 

Looks to me like in Girardi's eyes Cody has earned the CF job and that's good. I think an OF that includes Cody and Josh is better than any that includes either Reggie or JP. I'm not giving up on Josh after 100 games in that although he hasn't hit as well as I expected his hitting hasn't been that bad.

I love it because the people who are against this deal are the ones who will be bitchin and moanin if the FO does no moves at the deadline....HOW COULD THEY STAND PAT?!?!?.....JP represents a better option then Cody Ross and Reggie.....

 

How is he a better option than Ross right now? Ross has been carrying the offense the last few games.

1. He's not a former Marlin

2. He doesn't prove critics of the 'fire sale' right

3. He doesn't have the intangibles which somehow can be quantified as all-encompassing good, the 'magic intangibles' if you will.

4. His game is productive to winning rather than productive to fan experience

5. He doesn't pack the park and produce revenue for Huizenga

I love it because the people who are against this deal are the ones who will be bitchin and moanin if the FO does no moves at the deadline....HOW COULD THEY STAND PAT?!?!?.....JP represents a better option then Cody Ross and Reggie.....

 

How is he a better option than Ross right now? Ross has been carrying the offense the last few games.

1. He's not a former Marlin

2. He doesn't prove critics of the 'fire sale' right

3. He doesn't have the intangibles which somehow can be quantified as all-encompassing good, the 'magic intangibles' if you will.

4. His game is productive to winning rather than productive to fan experience

5. He doesn't pack the park and produce revenue for Huizenga

 

True but JP whos having an offyear, can possibly improve, provides veteran leadership, provides greater range in CF than Ross, should only be acquired for a low price, gives fans false hope that this team is actually dedicated to winning, and is good friends with our ace dontrelle willis.

Also, yeah Lefty, thanks for reminding me.

 

Another reason I love this; Retsko and Pinto, while having talent, are hardly elite prospects and have a long way to go to simply make this team in any capacity.

 

Plus, it looks as if teams aren't exactly falling all over themselves to grab this young crop of pitching we've hoarded, so getting a center-fielder back who represents a 3 year peak service plan makes sense.

 

Either way you slice it, Beinfest still won't have parted with his big bargaining chips (West, Petit, Sinkbeil, Tucker, Volstad, Hernandez) or his mid level ones (Harvey, Delgado, G. Sanchez) to fill a big position of organizational weakness, and fill it to the best of our budgetary ability.

 

But for what good? Why trade a player who can help us in the future (or atleast has a decent shot of it) for a 2-month rental and expensive free agent re-signing who projects to be one of our poorest offensive performers and a below-league-average defender over those next 3 years? If it's a 2-month rental, then, why are we renting him? To make the playoffs? Why not rent someone who assures us a better chance or no one at all? To get a head-start in negotiating a future contract? We can offer him a contract just as easily in the offseason when there would be no arbitration offering or signing deadline in mid-January for the team he ended the season with.

I'm getting the impression the reasons this potential acquisition is getting so much play are A) he is a former Marlin, a known (or dreamed) quality, someone who makes certain fans feel warm and toasty inside, that everything is secure and right with Marlins baseball, you know all the reasons why a team shouldn't make a decision that effects its on-field talent; and/or B) he is a small risk, a sign that we want to compete, but not so much for it have any effect but to offer a small glimmer of hope, a do-nothing deal, a sort of consolation prize or something.

Also, yeah Lefty, thanks for reminding me.

 

Another reason I love this; Retsko and Pinto, while having talent, are hardly elite prospects and have a long way to go to simply make this team in any capacity.

 

Plus, it looks as if teams aren't exactly falling all over themselves to grab this young crop of pitching we've hoarded, so getting a center-fielder back who represents a 3 year peak service plan makes sense.

 

Either way you slice it, Beinfest still won't have parted with his big bargaining chips (West, Petit, Sinkbeil, Tucker, Volstad, Hernandez) or his mid level ones (Harvey, Delgado, G. Sanchez) to fill a big position of organizational weakness, and fill it to the best of our budgetary ability.

 

But for what good? Why trade a player who can help us in the future (or atleast has a decent shot of it) for a 2-month rental and expensive free agent re-signing who projects to be one of our poorest offensive performers and a below-league-average defender over those next 3 years? If it's a 2-month rental, then, why are we renting him? To make the playoffs? Why not rent someone who assures us a better chance or no one at all? To get a head-start in negotiating a future contract? We can offer him a contract just as easily in the offseason when there would be no arbitration offering or signing deadline in mid-January for the team he ended the season with.

I'm getting the impression the reasons this potential acquisition is getting so much play are A) he is a former Marlin, a known (or dreamed) quality, someone who makes certain fans feel warm and toasty inside, that everything is secure and right with Marlins baseball, you know all the reasons why a team shouldn't make a decision that effects its on-field talent; and/or B) he is a small risk, a sign that we want to compete, but not so much for it have any effect but to offer a small glimmer of hope, a do-nothing deal, a sort of consolation prize or something.

 

You;re exactly right, itll be a move for the fans, but that isnt necessarily a bad thing. As marlins fans i'm sure we're all tired of the ppl on the street who havent been following who say stupidty like 'the marlins suck this year' Which as we know isnt totally true

Also, yeah Lefty, thanks for reminding me.

 

Another reason I love this; Retsko and Pinto, while having talent, are hardly elite prospects and have a long way to go to simply make this team in any capacity.

 

Plus, it looks as if teams aren't exactly falling all over themselves to grab this young crop of pitching we've hoarded, so getting a center-fielder back who represents a 3 year peak service plan makes sense.

 

Either way you slice it, Beinfest still won't have parted with his big bargaining chips (West, Petit, Sinkbeil, Tucker, Volstad, Hernandez) or his mid level ones (Harvey, Delgado, G. Sanchez) to fill a big position of organizational weakness, and fill it to the best of our budgetary ability.

 

But for what good? Why trade a player who can help us in the future (or atleast has a decent shot of it) for a 2-month rental and expensive free agent re-signing who projects to be one of our poorest offensive performers and a below-league-average defender over those next 3 years? If it's a 2-month rental, then, why are we renting him? To make the playoffs? Why not rent someone who assures us a better chance or no one at all? To get a head-start in negotiating a future contract? We can offer him a contract just as easily in the offseason when there would be no arbitration offering or signing deadline in mid-January for the team he ended the season with.

I'm getting the impression the reasons this potential acquisition is getting so much play are A) he is a former Marlin, a known (or dreamed) quality, someone who makes certain fans feel warm and toasty inside, that everything is secure and right with Marlins baseball, you know all the reasons why a team shouldn't make a decision that effects its on-field talent; and/or B) he is a small risk, a sign that we want to compete, but not so much for it have any effect but to offer a small glimmer of hope, a do-nothing deal, a sort of consolation prize or something.

 

Let's play the hypothetical game.

 

Let's just say Pierre is a two month rental and it costs us Pinto and Retsko. We offer Pierre arbitration and he declines (because he'll get a multi-year deal offer from somewhere). Then we get two first round picks because Pierre's a type-a. Therefore, we take two players of lesser talent and essentially trade them for two first round picks. Looks like a brilliant move to me.

 

And count me into the slim group of "Pierre's not great, but he's the best option on the table for the team and a lot better than his critics claim he is."

 

I don't think Pierre's a savior, or the difference maker in the season, but he's a 'feared' hitter to pitchers, he worries them to death when he's on base, and his "reputation" if nothing else will create opportunities for whoever bats behind him here. If Hanley gets a steady diet of fastballs, you know he's going to create a hell of a lot.