perhaps this should be merged with the castro thread but i just wanted to let you guys know that lowell is quoted in the boston hearld as saying (paraphrasaing) that he hopes castros dies.

 

bascially was saying that castro has done a lot of wrongdoing and has been terrible and that he desrves to die. He said he would be sad if castro didn't die after these report

 

i went drinking with my friends tonight and it was all castro questions....i figured this usual since i'm the cuban kid here up in NE but then they all went off on..."oh i bet lowell agrees with you...."....so i turn on ESPN and see lowell's actualy statement.

 

apparently his father in law was given an ultamteum (sp?). he was asked 'do you agree with communism' he said 'no'. and for that he was shot and killed.

 

good for mike coming out with this. he talked of his sister calling him and telling him about the dancing on calle ocho. he was in full support. i hope his statments turn some heads up here in this blindly liberal scest pool (not that i think liberals are sh*t....but living in NE.....you get sick of all the nonesense you hear.....)

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

 

 

haha, yes. i didn't mean to compare the two.... but i will say that communist, here in the NE, dont have all that bad a rep. peeps here dont think castro is all that bad and if you are a cuban american, you'd be offended.

 

this thread shouldn't be about liberals being compared to communist. i want it to be about lowell's statement and its' significance in an area of the country that is naive to anything that goes on outside of the boston globe

?My dad had to pack up his suitcase at 10 years old with his three brothers, who had nothing. And my mother was 11 years old and my grandfather, who?d been a dentist for 15 or 20 years, had to go back to school to be (politically) re-educated,? Lowell said.

 

?My cousins were political prisoners. My father-in-law was a political prisoner for 15 years because, at 19, they asked him if he agreed with communism and he said, ?No,? so they sentenced him to death. That?s not the way to live. I know it?s terrible to say, but I think of all of that and I hope he (Castro) passes away.

 

?I don?t care if he dies,? Lowell said. ?There are so many people who have died because of him and there?s been so much wrongdoing and so many human rights violations that I hope he does die. That sounds bad, but it?s the truth.?

 

http://www.tothepeople.com/2006/08/sox-pla...out-castro.html

It isnt real communism in Cuba but a totalitarian dictator more so with cuba. As everyone else the day Castro kicks it will be a good day to me as well because of what he has done to others in the past.

 

But NE is much different then communists, it is the birthplace of our own revolution to become a republic

can't blame Mike on his statements, he is human

It isnt real communism in Cuba but a totalitarian dictator more so with cuba. As everyone else the day Castro kicks it will be a good day to me as well because of what he has done to others in the past.

 

But NE is much different then communists, it is the birthplace of our own revolution to become a republic

 

 

 

The whole cuban communism isnt communism bit is a cop out. There has never been a 'communist society' as Marx wrote. However, Castro fits the mold perfectly of practical communism as a mold between leninism and maoism.

 

Why 'liberals' are compared to communists is quite simple. Its much the same way 'conservatives' are compared to 'facists' by some. Communism is the ultimate leftist state. While american liberals believe in a strong federal govt that helps people in lower income brackets by taxing the rich and then distributing the money to others. Liberals also believe in more govt run organizations to help people or just in general such as more govt run hosptials. Communists go all the way and restrict private business all together, redistribute wealth completely so everyone then belongs to the same social class, thus eliminating the class system, and everything is socialized. The ONLY things that Castro has done that isnt in line with Marxism are that he hasnt stepped down after the transitional phase (although marx never specified how long that should be) and he practiced under the table capitalism by trading with other naitons and such.

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

Two reasons:

 

1) The political scale as seen by the average person both in America and abroad is linear (though we put 'conservatives' in a different place than others). It's actually a lot more practical if we view it in the form of graph, but oh well.

2) Communism in practicality has stood for overly abundant government control, when in theory it couldn't be farther from it.

 

The perceived line:

 

Communism-----Socialism-----Democrat-----Centrist-----Republican-----Libertarian-----Fascist

 

The line how it would be if theories were actually applied:

 

Socialism-------Modern Liberalism--------Classical Liberalism---American Conservatism--------------------Burkian Conservatism----------------Fascism

I hope Castro dies too, but what really bugs me is this feeling of a vendetta by Cuban-Americans and special favors, especially when it comes to wet-foot/dry-foot to the exclusion of perhaps more desperate refugees from Haiti (or is it b/c they're black and, for that matter, from the first modern black nation to emerge from colonialism? I know that was definitely the case for dislike against Haiti in the past).

I hope Castro dies too, but what really bugs me is this feeling of a vendetta by Cuban-Americans and special favors, especially when it comes to wet-foot/dry-foot to the exclusion of perhaps more desperate refugees from Haiti (or is it b/c they're black and, for that matter, from the first modern black nation to emerge from colonialism? I know that was definitely the case for dislike against Haiti in the past).

 

 

 

Then why do automatic asylum laws apply to people from Burundi in 2004, Rwanda in the mid 90s, liberia 2 years ago as well? Has nothing to do with desperation or skin color. Whats idiotic is wet foot/dry foot. Granting of asylum and residency within a year and a day is somehting that has applied to all POLITICAL refugees. Which is something that for the most part haiti hasnt been lately, although it was during Papa doc Duvalier's reign (in whcih haitians were granted asylum freely) What has happened wiht cuba is that althoguh the first cubans that came were indeed political refugees, that isnt so much the case anymore, so the political refugee classification shouldnt exist for cuba. Wet foot/ dry foot is a new phenomenon and is a hybrid done by congress and clinton in order to acknowledge cubans are no longer political refugees for the most part, but to not piss off a major voting block that has a lot of money and power.

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

 

 

Mostly because of association with communists. Rallys attended by Liberal Democratic Party leaders and advertising on behalf of Liberal Democrat party candidates are often paid for and organized by communist groups such as International Answer.

 

Until the 70s that never really infected liberalism, but it has been a growing issue for three decades and the current generation of liberals are rife with communist influence.

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

 

 

Mostly because of association with communists. Rallys attended by Liberal Democratic Party leaders and advertising on behalf of Liberal Democrat party candidates are often paid for and organized by communist groups such as International Answer.

 

Until the 70s that never really infected liberalism, but it has been a growing issue for three decades and the current generation of liberals are rife with communist influence.

Can you provide some backup for these assertions?

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

 

 

Mostly because of association with communists. Rallys attended by Liberal Democratic Party leaders and advertising on behalf of Liberal Democrat party candidates are often paid for and organized by communist groups such as International Answer.

 

Until the 70s that never really infected liberalism, but it has been a growing issue for three decades and the current generation of liberals are rife with communist influence.

 

:blink: :blink: Please show some sort of data, any at all for this. Because that is completely and utterly crap. That is like saying conservatives are frequently Facists of recent years because of their totalitarian (sp in hurry) nature of late.

 

Does the socialist views and success within europe perhaps play some role towards the views of americans as a whole now? Perhaps, but nothing close to communist as the ideals of socialism and communism is very far far apart.

According to the state of Kentucky I am a communist. I got tired of them sending me absentee ballots, told em I was a commie, and they quit.

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

 

 

Mostly because of association with communists. Rallys attended by Liberal Democratic Party leaders and advertising on behalf of Liberal Democrat party candidates are often paid for and organized by communist groups such as International Answer.

 

Until the 70s that never really infected liberalism, but it has been a growing issue for three decades and the current generation of liberals are rife with communist influence.

Can you provide some backup for these assertions?

 

Profile of International Answer follows:

 

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupPro....asp?grpid=6147

 

They are also listed on pro-Kerry campaign advertisements and the organization is a major funding source for moveon.org and the DNC. During the 2004 campaign, they were backing Howard Dean until the wheels fell off the wagon, and then went on over to Kerry.

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

 

 

Mostly because of association with communists. Rallys attended by Liberal Democratic Party leaders and advertising on behalf of Liberal Democrat party candidates are often paid for and organized by communist groups such as International Answer.

 

Until the 70s that never really infected liberalism, but it has been a growing issue for three decades and the current generation of liberals are rife with communist influence.

 

:blink: :blink: Please show some sort of data, any at all for this. Because that is completely and utterly crap. That is like saying conservatives are frequently Facists of recent years because of their totalitarian (sp in hurry) nature of late.

 

I didn't say that modern liberals were communists, I said they are supported and influenced by communist groups.

Can someone please explain to me why liberals get compared to communist? Arent they diffrent kinds of left?

 

 

Mostly because of association with communists. Rallys attended by Liberal Democratic Party leaders and advertising on behalf of Liberal Democrat party candidates are often paid for and organized by communist groups such as International Answer.

 

Until the 70s that never really infected liberalism, but it has been a growing issue for three decades and the current generation of liberals are rife with communist influence.

Can you provide some backup for these assertions?

 

Profile of International Answer follows:

 

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupPro....asp?grpid=6147

 

They are also listed on pro-Kerry campaign advertisements and the organization is a major funding source for moveon.org and the DNC. During the 2004 campaign, they were backing Howard Dean until the wheels fell off the wagon, and then went on over to Kerry.

 

First off, how about a source that's actually objective. An article written by the kind of people aligned with David Horowitz? I'm sure they have no agenda in their conclusions. Maybe I should counter with some info from Michael Moore.

 

Second, the article you posted basically attempted to prove that ANSWER, a heavily anti-war group, is an alter ego for communist groups. It didnt answer your extensive assertions that

 

1)rallys attented by liberal democrat leaders are often paid for and organized by communists(Id like to know what percentage of rallys are paid for and organized by communists, what the actual cost paid for is, and if this percentage constitutes use of the term "often") and

 

2)advertisements for liberal democratic candidates are often paid for and organized by communists(again Id like to know what percentage of them are paid for by communists and what percentage of the cost is paid for by communists

 

Id also like to see what amount they contributed to moveon.org and the DNC to constitute a major fundraising source.

 

Id also like to see hard data. Not the conclusions of David Horowitz, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, or Rush Limbaugh.

 

In addition, what's your point by saying they are listed on pro-Kerry campaign advertisements? And so what if they backed a candidate. Do you think everyone that backed Bush had no negative implications? I'm sure more than one racist organization backed Bush. Heck Bush visited Bob Jones university, a college that opposes interracial marriage. I guess you would conclude that conservatives are heavily influenced racists right?

First off, how about a source that's actually objective. An article written by the kind of people aligned with David Horowitz? I'm sure they have no agenda in their conclusions. Maybe I should counter with some info from Michael Moore.

 

Second, the article you posted basically attempted to prove that ANSWER, a heavily anti-war group, is an alter ego for communist groups. It didnt answer your extensive assertions that

 

1)rallys attented by liberal democrat leaders are often paid for and organized by communists(Id like to know what percentage of rallys are paid for and organized by communists, what the actual cost paid for is, and if this percentage constitutes use of the term "often") and

 

2)advertisements for liberal democratic candidates are often paid for and organized by communists(again Id like to know what percentage of them are paid for by communists and what percentage of the cost is paid for by communists

 

Id also like to see what amount they contributed to moveon.org and the DNC to constitute a major fundraising source.

 

Id also like to see hard data. Not the conclusions of David Horowitz, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, or Rush Limbaugh.

 

In addition, what's your point by saying they are listed on pro-Kerry campaign advertisements? And so what if they backed a candidate. Do you think everyone that backed Bush had no negative implications? I'm sure more than one racist organization backed Bush. Heck Bush visited Bob Jones university, a college that opposes interracial marriage. I guess you would conclude that conservatives are heavily influenced racists right?

 

 

Go to International Answer's website if you don't believe that they are the Communist Party.

 

BTW, you have your percentages backwards. What % of rallies organized by communists have Demcratic Party speakers, not what % of rallies with Democratic speakers are organized by the Communist Party. The same is true of the advertisements. Otherwise, by your reasoning, the NRA has no influence over the GOP, beause only a small % of campaign advetisements for GOP candidates are paid for by the NRA and an even smaller % of GOP appearances are at NRA events.