When I look into the press box at the DS after a big rally or some terrific happening on the field and I see a bunch of guys who look like civil servants waiting for the clock to strike five, it becomes obvious after awhile they do their jobs without any appreciation or passion for what they are doing or the people they are writing for or reporting to.

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said, but I believe it's an unwritten rule that you're not supposed to cheer or really show any emotion in the press box while you're covering a game. At least, from my understanding.

yep, it's an unwritten rule

 

Ive been asked to keep it down atleast twice in my times in the press box

after the season we have had, girardi could start matt herges tomorrow and bat abercrombie cleanup and loria still shouldnt say anything to him.

 

it's great that he cares about the team, but get a hold of yourself. we don't need a super-fan as owner who gets involved in team decisions ala dan snyder.

 

hopefully it's all over with....

 

 

LOL....Mark Cuban.

 

I hope Joe doesn't quit. In fact, I hope he didn't even mention it. That would show that he acts erraticly under his emotions.

I believe it was mentioned in the Herald ( I know ) that Joe's contract has no "out clause" so unless Loria fires him I guess Joe is here, and that he can't be re-hired by someone else until after the 2008 season. This should preclude him from the Cubs job.

 

Would that be correct ?

I believe it was mentioned in the Herald ( I know ) that Joe's contract has no "out clause" so unless Loria fires him I guess Joe is here, and that he can't be re-hired by someone else until after the 2008 season. This should preclude him from the Cubs job.

 

Would that be correct ?

 

Actually, not really.

 

First, it is widely believed that Girardi and Loria have a "handshake" agreement to allow Girardi to leave the Marlins for a few select managerial positions, presumably the Yankees (and possibly the Cubs since he played there for quite a bit and grew up in Illinois). A similar article in today's Sun Sentinel actually alludes to this "handshake" agreement.

 

Second, if Girardi truly wants out - I don't believe the Marlins would stand in his way. It does not look good for Loria or the Marlins FO to keep an indentured servant as manager of your team. All Girardi ever talks about is "winning" and building this club into a contender. If he wants to abandon the Marlins for the Cubs - a team with a worse overall record with about as high a payroll as the Cubs FO will tolerate - then let him go.

 

Third, as his been discussed on this forum before, just because you're under contract doesn't mean you're untouchable. See Lou Piniella. The Cubs can always offer us a MLB-ready player, a prized prospect, of draft picks as compensation for releasing Girardi from his contract.

I continue to believe, as I said yesterday, much that has been made of the "press conference" thing after the game was in fact reporters wanting to see what they wanted to see and being too lazy or inept to ask the right questions to get the correct answers.

 

As I understand it, the media room is used as a play area/family room when not used for its primary use. I don't know how many realize this, but tonight the Dolphins are moving their night practice from Davie to DS to coincide with one of their pick-a-seat promotions.

 

With the Marlins going out of town for their nine game roadtrip and the Dolphins using the field tonight, it only makes sense that they'd pack up all that stuff in there and perhaps even begin setting up the AV equipment since everyone (DS employees and staff) was already there on Sunday and with Tuesday right around the corner, it made good business sense (stadium mgmt's part) to get a headstart. After all, within minutes of the game's end, the field crew began lowering the mound to ground level to prep the field for football.

 

This is all much to do about nothing.

All this BS about the Loria/Girardi rift is a product of the local media who get their rocks off when the franchise is struggling.

 

 

We got swept by the Dodgers and all of a sudden the world and inner workings of the Marlins is falling to shambles.

 

Give me a break.

All this BS about the Loria/Girardi rift is a product of the local media who get their rocks off when the franchise is struggling.

 

 

We got swept by the Dodgers and all of a sudden the world and inner workings of the Marlins is falling to shambles.

 

Give me a break.

 

Exactly :thumbup

DelGot2Rings- Yes, today's S.S. article by Berardino alluded to a handshake agreement, but said one is unlikely. You kinda forgot to mention that part (and the fact that the Cubs haven't even discussed him, according to the article).

 

It's funny- the source Berardino uses first says that the Cubs haven't even discussed Girardi, then says it's unlikely there is a handshake agreement between Loria and Girardi to let him out of his contract. Then, it sounds like Berardino kept prodding and the source finally said there's "it's possible" there is one. I could see Berardino saying, "yeah, but there's gotta be a CHANCE that there is one, right?" after he didn't get the answers he was looking for.

DelGot2Rings- Yes, today's S.S. article by Berardino alluded to a handshake agreement, but said one is unlikely. You kinda forgot to mention that part (and the fact that the Cubs haven't even discussed him, according to the article).

 

It's funny- the source Berardino uses first says that the Cubs haven't even discussed Girardi, then says it's unlikely there is a handshake agreement between Loria and Girardi to let him out of his contract. Then, it sounds like Berardino kept prodding and the source finally said there's "it's possible" there is one. I could see Berardino saying, "yeah, but there's gotta be a CHANCE that there is one, right?" after he didn't get the answers he was looking for.

 

The artice says that it is unlikely his 3-contract was re-worked to contain an "out provision," but it then goes on to state that "it is possible" that Girardi and Loria have a handshake agreement to let Girardi out of his contract if the Cubs come calling. It never uses the term "unlikely" to describe whether they reached such an agreement.

 

Notwithstanding....does anyone actually believe that if the Yanks or the Cubs come calling - and Girardi wants to leave (which although likely isn't guaranteed) - Loria will not let him go?

DelGot2Rings- Yes, today's S.S. article by Berardino alluded to a handshake agreement, but said one is unlikely. You kinda forgot to mention that part (and the fact that the Cubs haven't even discussed him, according to the article).

 

It's funny- the source Berardino uses first says that the Cubs haven't even discussed Girardi, then says it's unlikely there is a handshake agreement between Loria and Girardi to let him out of his contract. Then, it sounds like Berardino kept prodding and the source finally said there's "it's possible" there is one. I could see Berardino saying, "yeah, but there's gotta be a CHANCE that there is one, right?" after he didn't get the answers he was looking for.

 

The artice says that it is unlikely his 3-contract was re-worked to contain an "out provision," but it then goes on to state that "it is possible" that Girardi and Loria have a handshake agreement to let Girardi out of his contract if the Cubs come calling. It never uses the term "unlikely" to describe whether they reached such an agreement.

That's why I didn't put quotes around "unlikely."

 

I only replied to your post in the first place because your original post made it sound like the story in the S.S. thought it was a forgone conclusion (again, my words) that Girardi would be gone if the job came calling, which the source not only said the Cubs hadn't discussed him, but that they probably hadn't re-worked Joe's contract either (and only saying "it's possible" there is a handshake deal- hardly a ringing endorsement of the theory).

 

By you saying it is "widely believed" there is a handshake deal, then mentioning the S.S. story which you said "alludes" to it (it does, but doesn't really confirm it), it just seemed you made it sound like the story all but confirmed it. No big deal though. Just thought I'd point it out.

This is Mike Berardino.

 

It should be understood after three years of his jihad against Loria and company that his hatred of them is near pathological.

 

Pathological? Yes, as in seeing things that aren't really happening.

 

His piece is filled with supposition and half-truths.

 

Just one example. Regarding Girardi asking Loria to be less vocal of his disdain for the umpiring this weekend, he has two sources who are in direct conflict with one another. What would any good reporter (or columnist in this case) do if he or she had no corroboration? No publish it. Instead, Berardino leads with the most salacious, and then off-handedly mentions the other.

 

This isn't the National Enquirer, this is supposed to be (I'll leave to others to decide whether it is or not) a first rate daily newspaper operating in one of the country's top ten markets.

 

Berardino reports that Loria (and later David Samson) declined to answer his question(s). Probably true, but that's because they wouldn't speak to Mike Berardino about the time of day, nevermind anything baseball related so on the outs are the two sides.

 

Mike has never gotten over not getting the Jack McKeon/Torborg hiring/firing exclusive over the Herald and has vilified ownership in every possible way since then. No wonder they don't answer his questions.

 

2003.......it's posts like these that you make that leave me shaking my head. I've read the story a couple of times. Berardino states upfront that it's unclear what happened. He goes on to say that there was an incident with Loria and Giraldi during the game. He gives 2 accounts. One probably from a player. The other probably from a fan in the stands. He goes on to talk about the Cubs scenario, but merely brings it up. To me, he's doing what a reporter is supposed to do. Report the news to the fans. In this case, nobody knows (apart from the people involved), what really happened and what, if any, the repercussions may be. But apparantly the story has legs, SOMETHING did happen. You've given us the backstory, which explains that Berardino likely has no inside source in the FO. But, still, it's his job to report as best he can. It's the Sun-Sentinels call if they want to keep him as the beat writer knowing that his only real source may be the hoo-hoo guy. But I just don't see that poison pen here that you called it. Really, should he just not have written anything?