OK for some this might seem like I'm stating the obvious but maybe it will give insight to others........

 

From what I can conclude from the facts so far, it seems like a double homicide (possibly a domestic situation) occured on one side of the campus and police responded and began conducting an investigation AND IT WAS TREATED LIKE MOST HOMICIDES AND IT WAS THOUGHT THAT THE GUNMAN HAD FLED THE AREA.

 

It is not normal for a subject to commit a homicide and REMAIN ON SCENE.

 

 

So as the homicide detectives were conducting their initial investigation, this maniac walks (or runs) across campus and start going on a rampage.

 

 

So now you have many law enforcement resources devoted to one major crime scene (a double murder on campus is a huge deal).

 

 

 

Then before anyone can catch their breathe, this a-hole goes and does what he does.

OK for some this might seem like I'm stating the obvious but maybe it will give insight to others........

 

From what I can conclude from the facts so far, it seems like a double homicide (possibly a domestic situation) occured on one side of the campus and police responded and began conducting an investigation AND IT WAS TREATED LIKE MOST HOMICIDES AND IT WAS THOUGHT THAT THE GUNMAN HAD FLED THE AREA.

 

It is not normal for a subject to commit a homicide and REMAIN ON SCENE.

 

 

So as the homicide detectives were conducting their initial investigation, this maniac walks (or runs) across campus and start going on a rampage.

 

 

So now you have many law enforcement resources devoted to one major crime scene (a double murder on campus is a huge deal).

 

 

 

Then before anyone can catch their breathe, this a-hole goes and does what he does.

I guess this changes protocol, eh?

So, ABC decided to offer an expanded hour-long version of ABC World News Tonight, and I guess they offered each affiliate the option of showing the whole thing. Our local WPLG decided to air Wheel Of Fortune, which I find kind of shameful.

WPLG is a sad excuse for a news operation. They kill the 5pm newscast for Dr. Phil and then do this. They think that by hiring Max Mayfield they will get better hurricane ratings, but we all know the day Don Noe hangs it up....channel 10 will be in a big world of hurt unless big changes occur. So sad to see such a great station fall. I still love Laurie Jennings though.

 

Tallahassee Report Card

WCTV (CBS): Airing the hour-long CBS Evening News with Katie Couric with Wheel of Fortune moving to WCTV2 (MyNetworkTV)

WTXL (ABC): Airing the hour-long ABC World News with Charles Gibson in place of Inside Edition.

WTWC (NBC): Skipped on the hour-long NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams to air Entertainment Tonight, but what else should expect from this NBC station without any form of local news.

WTLH (FOX): Fox News Channel is getting the coverage of this, so our Fox station only airs their normal 30-minute 10 O'Clock News produced by WCTV.

 

Our CBS and NBC stations aired the full news hour. FOX had Inside Edition on, which was at least talking about the Virginia Tech story.

 

I wrote to WPLG telling them I can no longer take them seriously as a news provider and that I will never again watch their station for news.

Holocaust Survivor, Professor Killed Helping Students Escape

 

JERUSALEM ? A 76-year-old professor who survived the Holocaust was shot to death while saving his students from the Virginia Tech assailant, students said.

 

Liviu Librescu, an internationally respected aeronautics engineer who taught at Virginia Tech for 20 years, saved the lives of several students by barricading his classroom door before he was gunned down in the massacre, according to e-mail accounts sent by students to his wife.

 

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," his son, Joe Librescu, said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

 

The gunman, identified as 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui, an English major and native of South Korea, killed 32 people before committing suicide, officials said, in what was the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.

 

On campus, students spoke of Librescu's bravery.

 

"He should be recognized as a hero," Virginia Tech graduate student Philip Huffstetler said. "We should be in such great debt to his family for the rest of our lives."

 

"He is the reason that the student could not get inside and shoot more people," said Asal Arad, a Virginia Tech student. "Obviously, he is a hero."

 

Librescu had known hardship since childhood.

 

When Romania joined forces with Nazi Germany in World War II, he was first interned in a labor camp in Transnistria and then deported along with his family and thousands of other Jews to a central ghetto in the city of Focsani, his son said. According to a report compiled by the Romanian government in 2004, between 280,000 and 380,000 Jews were killed by Romania's Nazi-allied regime during the war.

 

As a successful engineer under the postwar Communist government, Librescu found work at Romania's aerospace agency. But his career was stymied in the 1970s because he refused to swear allegiance to the regime, his son said, and he was later fired when he requested permission to move to Israel.

 

After years of government refusal, according to his son, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin personally intervened to get the family an emigration permit. They moved to Israel in 1978.

 

Librescu left Israel for Virginia in 1985 for a sabbatical year, but eventually made the move permanent, said Joe Librescu, who himself studied at Virginia Tech from 1989 to 1994.

 

In Romania, the academic community mourned Librescu's death.

 

"It is a great loss," said Ecaterina Andronescu, rector of the Polytechnic University in Bucharest, where Librescu graduated in 1953. "We have immense consideration for the way he reacted and defended his students with his life."

 

At the Polytechnic University, where Librescu received an honorary degree in 2000, his picture was placed on a table, a candle was lit, and people lay flowers nearby.

 

"We remember him as a great specialist in aeronautics. He left behind hundreds of prestigious papers," said one of the professors, Nicolae Serban Tomescu.

 

Librescu published extensively and received numerous awards for his work.

 

"His work was his life in a sense," Joe Librescu said.

 

 

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Now that is a hero. Are thoughts and prayers are with you.

 

 

 

So, ABC decided to offer an expanded hour-long version of ABC World News Tonight, and I guess they offered each affiliate the option of showing the whole thing. Our local WPLG decided to air Wheel Of Fortune, which I find kind of shameful.

 

I could not believe it. WPLG should be ashamed of itself. I e-mailed them in complaint.

A rocket scientist, a holocaust survivor, and teacher. Then he sacrifices his life to save his students. This deserves the Presidential Medal Of Freedom (I think that's the highest civilian medal?)

im not saying everyone would kill each other at the drop off a hat...but damn...how many accidental shootings and deaths come at the result of a gun everyday in this country? i dont know...but im pretty sure its an ugly number...and yeah...most people arent mentally deranged...but really...why put guns in the hands of people who would even be in question of their mental capabilities...and i dont believe if one person had a gun in class could have prevented this...what if a gun battle ensues and more innocent people die? yeah...what a brilliant idea...lets give an extremely violent society the great privelage of carrying a concealed weapon...see how many crazies come out of the woodwork lookin for their glock and an ex lover...the only thing true you said about guns is that they are evil...

 

If you really wanted to kill your ex-wife I doubt that not being legally allowed to carry a gun is going to stop you.

 

Believe me, guns are quite easy to get illegally.

you arent understanding what im saying...WHY MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET GUNS? do you think violence is magically going to stop if everyone has a gun? jesus...an infant could kill a body builder with one pull of the trigger...in my opinion...the gun was the single worst invention in the history of man and dumbass inventions...by making killing so easy and so universal for anyone to do, mankind doomed us to ignorant and itchy trigger fingers and people who think guns are cool...its sick

Banning guns would do absolutely ZERO in terms of reducing crime. Don't pollute this topic with your delusional garbage. You're just like the bozos at CNN, using this as a platform to preach your moronic ultra-left wing agenda; and this is coming from a Democrat.

im not saying everyone would kill each other at the drop off a hat...but damn...how many accidental shootings and deaths come at the result of a gun everyday in this country? i dont know...but im pretty sure its an ugly number...and yeah...most people arent mentally deranged...but really...why put guns in the hands of people who would even be in question of their mental capabilities...and i dont believe if one person had a gun in class could have prevented this...what if a gun battle ensues and more innocent people die? yeah...what a brilliant idea...lets give an extremely violent society the great privelage of carrying a concealed weapon...see how many crazies come out of the woodwork lookin for their glock and an ex lover...the only thing true you said about guns is that they are evil...

 

If you really wanted to kill your ex-wife I doubt that not being legally allowed to carry a gun is going to stop you.

 

Believe me, guns are quite easy to get illegally.

you arent understanding what im saying...WHY MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET GUNS? do you think violence is magically going to stop if everyone has a gun? jesus...an infant could kill a body builder with one pull of the trigger...in my opinion...the gun was the single worst invention in the history of man and dumbass inventions...by making killing so easy and so universal for anyone to do, mankind doomed us to ignorant and itchy trigger fingers and people who think guns are cool...its sick

 

It isn't making it easier to get guns, it is making it legal for people to carry guns in case something like this happens they have a chance to defend themselves.

 

There are 200+ million guns in this country. Any criminal can get any guns he wants to in minutes. Believe me, my suitemate is a f***ing scumbag and he has 3 illegal guns in his room. If anything, we should be working harder to make sure there are less illegal guns in the country.

Banning guns would do absolutely ZERO in terms of reducing crime. Don't pollute this topic with your delusional garbage. You're just like the bozos at CNN, using this as a platform to preach your moronic ultra-left wing agenda; and this is coming from a Democrat.

banning guns may not reduce crime, but it will probably reduce murders from guns no? is that a bad thing? isnt it worth a try? while prohibition failed miserably, it was a more than worthy cause and so is a ban on guns...and you know what? this is a topic for discussion on an internet message board...it is my right as an American citizen to say whatever i please on here as long i dont slander anyone or attack someone without merit...i dont watch cnn, i dont watch fox news, i dont watch any of that sh*t because our media let us down along time ago when they allowed corporations to buy the white house back in the 80's...i dont have a left wing agenda or anything, i call em like i see em, if you have a problem with that, then dont read what i have to say...and let me just get this out of the way...i dont like democrats, i dont like republicans...i think you should the take the leader of each party and put their head on a stake in washington dc and let it be shown as a warning to politicians that there are no more party politics in this country...its time to work together to get things done for the people that elect them there...not just make promises that you have no intention of honoring like many, if not all politicians...i sincerely hope that the people that gave their lives yesterday arent forgotten like the kids of UT at Austin, or Columbine or so on...and if we sit on our hands and do nothing about gun violence in this country, then we have already forgotten and dishonored those that died yesterday

Banning guns would do absolutely ZERO in terms of reducing crime. Don't pollute this topic with your delusional garbage. You're just like the bozos at CNN, using this as a platform to preach your moronic ultra-left wing agenda; and this is coming from a Democrat.

banning guns may not reduce crime, but it will probably reduce murders from guns no? is that a bad thing? isnt it worth a try? while prohibition failed miserably, it was a more than worthy cause and so is a ban on guns...and you know what? this is a topic for discussion on an internet message board...it is my right as an American citizen to say whatever i please on here as long i dont slander anyone or attack someone without merit...i dont watch cnn, i dont watch fox news, i dont watch any of that sh*t because our media let us down along time ago when they allowed corporations to buy the white house back in the 80's...i dont have a left wing agenda or anything, i call em like i see em, if you have a problem with that, then dont read what i have to say...and let me just get this out of the way...i dont like democrats, i dont like republicans...i think you should the take the leader of each party and put their head on a stake in washington dc and let it be shown as a warning to politicians that there are no more party politics in this country...its time to work together to get things done for the people that elect them there...not just make promises that you have no intention of honoring like many, if not all politicians...i sincerely hope that the people that gave their lives yesterday arent forgotten like the kids of UT at Austin, or Columbine or so on...and if we sit on our hands and do nothing about gun violence in this country, then we have already forgotten and dishonored those that died yesterday

 

This would have happened if guns were illegal or not. Shut up, please. You are making the human race look bad. You keep pushing your agenda, and you keep alienating people who might agree with you.

A gun ban would do nothing except keeping people from LEGALLY carrying them. If you think for a minute that a criminal who wants a gun would not be able to get one, you're out of your mind. People with foul intentions would get their hands on guns, and the worst part is, people who want to protect themselves could not.

 

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I hope the families of the people who were murdered in cold blood without a chance to defend themselves are enjoying how people like you are perverting this tragedy into a case for changing the Constitution as you see fit.

im not saying everyone would kill each other at the drop off a hat...but damn...how many accidental shootings and deaths come at the result of a gun everyday in this country? i dont know...but im pretty sure its an ugly number...and yeah...most people arent mentally deranged...but really...why put guns in the hands of people who would even be in question of their mental capabilities...and i dont believe if one person had a gun in class could have prevented this...what if a gun battle ensues and more innocent people die? yeah...what a brilliant idea...lets give an extremely violent society the great privelage of carrying a concealed weapon...see how many crazies come out of the woodwork lookin for their glock and an ex lover...the only thing true you said about guns is that they are evil...

 

If you really wanted to kill your ex-wife I doubt that not being legally allowed to carry a gun is going to stop you.

 

Believe me, guns are quite easy to get illegally.

you arent understanding what im saying...WHY MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET GUNS? do you think violence is magically going to stop if everyone has a gun? jesus...an infant could kill a body builder with one pull of the trigger...in my opinion...the gun was the single worst invention in the history of man and dumbass inventions...by making killing so easy and so universal for anyone to do, mankind doomed us to ignorant and itchy trigger fingers and people who think guns are cool...its sick

 

It isn't making it easier to get guns, it is making it legal for people to carry guns in case something like this happens they have a chance to defend themselves.

 

There are 200+ million guns in this country. Any criminal can get any guns he wants to in minutes. Believe me, my suitemate is a f***ing scumbag and he has 3 illegal guns in his room. If anything, we should be working harder to make sure there are less illegal guns in the country.

im not disagreeing with you there...illegal guns are a terrible problem as well...but arming everyone else would not prevent violence, it would only make it worse...i mean, damn...all it takes is some kid reaching for his PSP in his jacket, someone thinks he is packin and wham, kills the kid...and then his family goes out and buys guns and so on and so forth...its an emotional reaction which results in escalation of guns and violence

Just stop, please.

im not saying everyone would kill each other at the drop off a hat...but damn...how many accidental shootings and deaths come at the result of a gun everyday in this country? i dont know...but im pretty sure its an ugly number...and yeah...most people arent mentally deranged...but really...why put guns in the hands of people who would even be in question of their mental capabilities...and i dont believe if one person had a gun in class could have prevented this...what if a gun battle ensues and more innocent people die? yeah...what a brilliant idea...lets give an extremely violent society the great privelage of carrying a concealed weapon...see how many crazies come out of the woodwork lookin for their glock and an ex lover...the only thing true you said about guns is that they are evil...

 

If you really wanted to kill your ex-wife I doubt that not being legally allowed to carry a gun is going to stop you.

 

Believe me, guns are quite easy to get illegally.

you arent understanding what im saying...WHY MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET GUNS? do you think violence is magically going to stop if everyone has a gun? jesus...an infant could kill a body builder with one pull of the trigger...in my opinion...the gun was the single worst invention in the history of man and dumbass inventions...by making killing so easy and so universal for anyone to do, mankind doomed us to ignorant and itchy trigger fingers and people who think guns are cool...its sick

 

It isn't making it easier to get guns, it is making it legal for people to carry guns in case something like this happens they have a chance to defend themselves.

 

There are 200+ million guns in this country. Any criminal can get any guns he wants to in minutes. Believe me, my suitemate is a f***ing scumbag and he has 3 illegal guns in his room. If anything, we should be working harder to make sure there are less illegal guns in the country.

im not disagreeing with you there...illegal guns are a terrible problem as well...but arming everyone else would not prevent violence, it would only make it worse...i mean, damn...all it takes is some kid reaching for his PSP in his jacket, someone thinks he is packin and wham, kills the kid...and then his family goes out and buys guns and so on and so forth...its an emotional reaction which results in escalation of guns and violence

 

People are not as stupid as you think they are. Give us a little credit man.

 

Illegal guns probably kill more people than legal guns do. So let's get rid of legal guns.

Nats wearing VT hats tonight.

I don't mean to sound morbid or anything, but I'm curious to hear the content of those writings.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...7071vtech1.html

I thought it would have been more disturbing than that.

 

What would you have expected?

 

I would have been very disturbed if he turned that in as his work in one of my classes. It seems like he's got serious issues. Maybe he was sexually abused by his father.

I don't mean to sound morbid or anything, but I'm curious to hear the content of those writings.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...7071vtech1.html

I thought it would have been more disturbing than that.

 

 

 

 

You sound so disappointed by the lack of macabre?

im not saying everyone would kill each other at the drop off a hat...but damn...how many accidental shootings and deaths come at the result of a gun everyday in this country? i dont know...but im pretty sure its an ugly number...and yeah...most people arent mentally deranged...but really...why put guns in the hands of people who would even be in question of their mental capabilities...and i dont believe if one person had a gun in class could have prevented this...what if a gun battle ensues and more innocent people die? yeah...what a brilliant idea...lets give an extremely violent society the great privelage of carrying a concealed weapon...see how many crazies come out of the woodwork lookin for their glock and an ex lover...the only thing true you said about guns is that they are evil...

 

If you really wanted to kill your ex-wife I doubt that not being legally allowed to carry a gun is going to stop you.

 

Believe me, guns are quite easy to get illegally.

you arent understanding what im saying...WHY MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET GUNS? do you think violence is magically going to stop if everyone has a gun? jesus...an infant could kill a body builder with one pull of the trigger...in my opinion...the gun was the single worst invention in the history of man and dumbass inventions...by making killing so easy and so universal for anyone to do, mankind doomed us to ignorant and itchy trigger fingers and people who think guns are cool...its sick

 

It isn't making it easier to get guns, it is making it legal for people to carry guns in case something like this happens they have a chance to defend themselves.

 

There are 200+ million guns in this country. Any criminal can get any guns he wants to in minutes. Believe me, my suitemate is a f***ing scumbag and he has 3 illegal guns in his room. If anything, we should be working harder to make sure there are less illegal guns in the country.

im not disagreeing with you there...illegal guns are a terrible problem as well...but arming everyone else would not prevent violence, it would only make it worse...i mean, damn...all it takes is some kid reaching for his PSP in his jacket, someone thinks he is packin and wham, kills the kid...and then his family goes out and buys guns and so on and so forth...its an emotional reaction which results in escalation of guns and violence

 

People are not as stupid as you think they are. Give us a little credit man.

 

Illegal guns probably kill more people than legal guns do. So let's get rid of legal guns.

let me ask you this question...on virtually every product in the world...what do so many have in common?...a warning label...do you know why that is? gee do you think that throwing a electirical device in water while on is a bad idea? do you think sticking your fingers under the mower while its on is a good idea?...there is a reason...that reason is because people are stupid...a person might be able to make rational and thoughtful choices throughout their life, like not doing the above...my point is...odds tell me, that a less amount of guns would give me a less chance of someone busting a cap in me...i mean does that make sense to you...if we could live in a world without guns...tell me exactly who would be getting shot?

im not saying everyone would kill each other at the drop off a hat...but damn...how many accidental shootings and deaths come at the result of a gun everyday in this country? i dont know...but im pretty sure its an ugly number...and yeah...most people arent mentally deranged...but really...why put guns in the hands of people who would even be in question of their mental capabilities...and i dont believe if one person had a gun in class could have prevented this...what if a gun battle ensues and more innocent people die? yeah...what a brilliant idea...lets give an extremely violent society the great privelage of carrying a concealed weapon...see how many crazies come out of the woodwork lookin for their glock and an ex lover...the only thing true you said about guns is that they are evil...

 

If you really wanted to kill your ex-wife I doubt that not being legally allowed to carry a gun is going to stop you.

 

Believe me, guns are quite easy to get illegally.

you arent understanding what im saying...WHY MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET GUNS? do you think violence is magically going to stop if everyone has a gun? jesus...an infant could kill a body builder with one pull of the trigger...in my opinion...the gun was the single worst invention in the history of man and dumbass inventions...by making killing so easy and so universal for anyone to do, mankind doomed us to ignorant and itchy trigger fingers and people who think guns are cool...its sick

 

It isn't making it easier to get guns, it is making it legal for people to carry guns in case something like this happens they have a chance to defend themselves.

 

There are 200+ million guns in this country. Any criminal can get any guns he wants to in minutes. Believe me, my suitemate is a f***ing scumbag and he has 3 illegal guns in his room. If anything, we should be working harder to make sure there are less illegal guns in the country.

im not disagreeing with you there...illegal guns are a terrible problem as well...but arming everyone else would not prevent violence, it would only make it worse...i mean, damn...all it takes is some kid reaching for his PSP in his jacket, someone thinks he is packin and wham, kills the kid...and then his family goes out and buys guns and so on and so forth...its an emotional reaction which results in escalation of guns and violence

 

People are not as stupid as you think they are. Give us a little credit man.

 

Illegal guns probably kill more people than legal guns do. So let's get rid of legal guns.

let me ask you this question...on virtually every product in the world...what do so many have in common?...a warning label...do you know why that is? gee do you think that throwing a electirical device in water while on is a bad idea? do you think sticking your fingers under the mower while its on is a good idea?...there is a reason...that reason is because people are stupid...a person might be able to make rational and thoughtful choices throughout their life, like not doing the above...my point is...odds tell me, that a less amount of guns would give me a less chance of someone busting a cap in me...i mean does that make sense to you...if we could live in a world without guns...tell me exactly who would be getting shot?

 

They have warning labels because stupid, litigious will do whatever they can to get money. It's like one or two people out of 250 million who do these stupid things, but they have to put them on because they don't want to get sued. Just like there are only a few people out there who are going to kill people.

Enough with the post quotes fellas

Enough with the post quotes fellas

 

Ok.

 

:shifty

 

They have warning labels because stupid, litigious will do whatever they can to get money. It's like one or two people out of 250 million who do these stupid things, but they have to put them on because they don't want to get sued. Just like there are only a few people out there who are going to kill people.

can we agree that a gun is a really efficient way of killing people?...would the world be a little better place if we were less efficient at killing people...i think so...would we still be killing people...yep, sure would...but maybe not at the rate we are now...and i for one, think that is better

But that simply isn't the answer. Becuase you aren't eliminating guns. You are taking guns away from law abiding citizens who wouldn't normally use them and keeping them in the hands of people who will use them.

 

THAT is the bottom line. I understand that guns are efficient, but that isn't the issue. They are everywhere in our country and they aren't going to disapear if you ban them.

But that simply isn't the answer. Becuase you aren't eliminating guns. You are taking guns away from law abiding citizens who wouldn't normally use them and keeping them in the hands of people who will use them.

 

THAT is the bottom line. I understand that guns are efficient, but that isn't the issue. They are everywhere in our country and they aren't going to disapear if you ban them.

but what is the harm in trying? i mean if it could save alot of lives, isnt it worth the chance?

I'm going to ask you one more time.

 

 

Take this garbage off the thread.