I have probably said this 1 million times. If we trade Dontrelle now who will take his place in the rotation? Nolasco has never been completely healthy. Even next year JJ and Anibal might not be back. Willis and Kim will be gone. All we would have is Olsen and Mitre. Argh...

 

Well we'll have Vanden Hurk, Mitre, Olsen, and possibly Gaby Hernandez will be ready. Then all u need is one of Johnson, Sanchez, or Nolasco to come back, or sign a Vet.

With that rotation we would be a good bet to once again lead the league in runs allowed.

 

If the goal is to win next year then keep Dontrelle.

Face facts. Dontrelle Willis is probably never going to be a 22 game winner again with the Marlins. Almost anywhere else in the league right now, he's a #3 starter, maybe a #2. As much as I like him, when a guy solidly regresses every year, it's time to make something happen. This might be our best chance.

I have probably said this 1 million times. If we trade Dontrelle now who will take his place in the rotation? Nolasco has never been completely healthy. Even next year JJ and Anibal might not be back. Willis and Kim will be gone. All we would have is Olsen and Mitre. Argh...

 

Well we'll have Vanden Hurk, Mitre, Olsen, and possibly Gaby Hernandez will be ready. Then all u need is one of Johnson, Sanchez, or Nolasco to come back, or sign a Vet.

With that rotation we would be a good bet to once again lead the league in runs allowed.

 

If the goal is to win next year then keep Dontrelle.

Face facts. Dontrelle Willis is probably never going to be a 22 game winner again with the Marlins. Almost anywhere else in the league right now, he's a #3 starter, maybe a #2. As much as I like him, when a guy solidly regresses every year, it's time to make something happen. This might be our best chance.

He'll never be a 22 game winner. That was a career year. I think he can still be a No. 3 type with an ERA around 4.00 and well over 200 innings and I doubt any of the starters mentioned above can do that except maybe Mitre but Mitre is a question mark in my eyes. Is this a career year or is this the Mitre of the future? Noone knows.

I have probably said this 1 million times. If we trade Dontrelle now who will take his place in the rotation? Nolasco has never been completely healthy. Even next year JJ and Anibal might not be back. Willis and Kim will be gone. All we would have is Olsen and Mitre. Argh...

 

Well we'll have Vanden Hurk, Mitre, Olsen, and possibly Gaby Hernandez will be ready. Then all u need is one of Johnson, Sanchez, or Nolasco to come back, or sign a Vet.

With that rotation we would be a good bet to once again lead the league in runs allowed.

 

If the goal is to win next year then keep Dontrelle.

Face facts. Dontrelle Willis is probably never going to be a 22 game winner again with the Marlins. Almost anywhere else in the league right now, he's a #3 starter, maybe a #2. As much as I like him, when a guy solidly regresses every year, it's time to make something happen. This might be our best chance.

He'll never be a 22 game winner. That was a career year. I think he can still be a No. 3 type with an ERA around 4.00 and well over 200 innings and I doubt any of the starters mentioned above can do that except maybe Mitre but Mitre is a question mark in my eyes. Is this a career year or is this the Mitre of the future? Noone knows.

So trading him now doesn't mean the Marlins are going to lead the league in runs allowed next season. A solid prospect like Philip Humber could do wonders for this rotation next year. That guy's curveball is already said to be one of the best in the league. He's got MLB experience, too. I'd be all about a Martinez/Humber deal, if the Mets want Willis that bad.

I have probably said this 1 million times. If we trade Dontrelle now who will take his place in the rotation? Nolasco has never been completely healthy. Even next year JJ and Anibal might not be back. Willis and Kim will be gone. All we would have is Olsen and Mitre. Argh...

 

Well we'll have Vanden Hurk, Mitre, Olsen, and possibly Gaby Hernandez will be ready. Then all u need is one of Johnson, Sanchez, or Nolasco to come back, or sign a Vet.

With that rotation we would be a good bet to once again lead the league in runs allowed.

 

If the goal is to win next year then keep Dontrelle.

Face facts. Dontrelle Willis is probably never going to be a 22 game winner again with the Marlins. Almost anywhere else in the league right now, he's a #3 starter, maybe a #2. As much as I like him, when a guy solidly regresses every year, it's time to make something happen. This might be our best chance.

He'll never be a 22 game winner. That was a career year. I think he can still be a No. 3 type with an ERA around 4.00 and well over 200 innings and I doubt any of the starters mentioned above can do that except maybe Mitre but Mitre is a question mark in my eyes. Is this a career year or is this the Mitre of the future? Noone knows.

 

More like career month. Because of unexplainable May, the fact that he had an 800ish OPS against, 5+ ERA, and 1.6+ WHIP to go along with 2 less K/9 in April, June, and July combined gets overlooked.

will it be a big day for the fish :shifty

I have probably said this 1 million times. If we trade Dontrelle now who will take his place in the rotation? Nolasco has never been completely healthy. Even next year JJ and Anibal might not be back. Willis and Kim will be gone. All we would have is Olsen and Mitre. Argh...

 

Well we'll have Vanden Hurk, Mitre, Olsen, and possibly Gaby Hernandez will be ready. Then all u need is one of Johnson, Sanchez, or Nolasco to come back, or sign a Vet.

With that rotation we would be a good bet to once again lead the league in runs allowed.

 

If the goal is to win next year then keep Dontrelle.

Face facts. Dontrelle Willis is probably never going to be a 22 game winner again with the Marlins. Almost anywhere else in the league right now, he's a #3 starter, maybe a #2. As much as I like him, when a guy solidly regresses every year, it's time to make something happen. This might be our best chance.

He'll never be a 22 game winner. That was a career year. I think he can still be a No. 3 type with an ERA around 4.00 and well over 200 innings and I doubt any of the starters mentioned above can do that except maybe Mitre but Mitre is a question mark in my eyes. Is this a career year or is this the Mitre of the future? Noone knows.

So trading him now doesn't mean the Marlins are going to lead the league in runs allowed next season. A solid prospect like Philip Humber could do wonders for this rotation next year. That guy's curveball is already said to be one of the best in the league. He's got MLB experience, too. I'd be all about a Martinez/Humber deal, if the Mets want Willis that bad.

His ML career ERA is over 4.00 and his career high in innings pitched is in the 120s so I don't know why you're so sure he would do wonders next year. For next year Dontrelle looks like a surer bet than this other guy and with Miguel almost sure to be gone after '08 I think I would go with the surer bet for '08 and that's Dontrelle.

I have probably said this 1 million times. If we trade Dontrelle now who will take his place in the rotation? Nolasco has never been completely healthy. Even next year JJ and Anibal might not be back. Willis and Kim will be gone. All we would have is Olsen and Mitre. Argh...

 

Well we'll have Vanden Hurk, Mitre, Olsen, and possibly Gaby Hernandez will be ready. Then all u need is one of Johnson, Sanchez, or Nolasco to come back, or sign a Vet.

With that rotation we would be a good bet to once again lead the league in runs allowed.

 

If the goal is to win next year then keep Dontrelle.

Face facts. Dontrelle Willis is probably never going to be a 22 game winner again with the Marlins. Almost anywhere else in the league right now, he's a #3 starter, maybe a #2. As much as I like him, when a guy solidly regresses every year, it's time to make something happen. This might be our best chance.

He'll never be a 22 game winner. That was a career year. I think he can still be a No. 3 type with an ERA around 4.00 and well over 200 innings and I doubt any of the starters mentioned above can do that except maybe Mitre but Mitre is a question mark in my eyes. Is this a career year or is this the Mitre of the future? Noone knows.

So trading him now doesn't mean the Marlins are going to lead the league in runs allowed next season. A solid prospect like Philip Humber could do wonders for this rotation next year. That guy's curveball is already said to be one of the best in the league. He's got MLB experience, too. I'd be all about a Martinez/Humber deal, if the Mets want Willis that bad.

His ML career ERA is over 4.00 and his career high in innings pitched is in the 120s so I don't know why you're so sure he would do wonders next year. For next year Dontrelle looks like a surer bet than this other guy and with Miguel almost sure to be gone after '08 I think I would go with the surer bet for '08 and that's Dontrelle.

He's also coming back from TJ surgery that he had done in 2005. If you can bring in two top tier prospects for Willis, you do it.

Trade him while we can still get something good for him.....

Even though he has been strugling he still has value.....

If we dont trade him now and he can't get it toghther we wont get anything back for him in the offseason...

Fernando Martinez is the farthest away but has the highest potential of all of the Mets outfield prospects. Maybe the performances of Carlos Gomez and lastings Milledge made him expendable, but he would be a great haul for Dontrelle. I'm on the fence about Humber, he's good but you have to wonder if he'll ever be ready.

you don't send Dontrelle to the Mets. you say no Beinfest

Fernando Martinez is the farthest away but has the highest potential of all of the Mets outfield prospects.

He's also 18 years old. Kid is going to be crazy good.

Fernando Martinez is the farthest away but has the highest potential of all of the Mets outfield prospects.

He's also 18 years old. Kid is going to be crazy good.

 

But by the time he reaches the bigs, all of our current young players wont be young anymore and will probably be gone. Thats how Marlins baseball works.

Do it Do it Do it!

Fernando Martinez is the farthest away but has the highest potential of all of the Mets outfield prospects.

He's also 18 years old. Kid is going to be crazy good.

 

But by the time he reaches the bigs, all of our current young players wont be young anymore and will probably be gone. Thats how Marlins baseball works.

The way Marlins' prospects usually skip AAA, he'd probably make his MLB debut sometime towards the end of next season, depending on where we are in the standings.

 

If they dangle Milledge, there's no two ways about it. You take it.

As much as I hate to say it, and I don't want it to happen, this might be our time to trade Willis, but I want to get him for more than his worth. Much more, we shouldn't trade him, just for the sake of trading. Only accept a trade that would certainly turn around the organization's future in a positive way.

As much as I hate to say it, and I don't want it to happen, this might be our time to trade Willis, but I want to get him for more than his worth. Much more, we shouldn't trade him, just for the sake of trading. Only accept a trade that would certainly turn around the organization's future in a positive way.

Pretty sure that's what everyone would want

I was just watching MLB.TV on the trade deadline and they said the mets will not go after starting pitching and will wait for Pedro to come back.

if this was really mentioned as a serious possibility, it's really a no-brainer to do it, in my mind. As much as I love Dontrelle as a person, I still think we have to act while people are still under the illusion that he's really worth two top flight prospects, and that he can regain his 22 win form, cause I just don't see it happenning.

How fast we forget the things dontrelle has done here before.

 

I would be willing to put money that Dontrelle regains his old form and continues to be one of the top pitchers in the NL.

How fast we forget the things dontrelle has done here before.

 

I would be willing to put money that Dontrelle regains his old form and continues to be one of the top pitchers in the NL.

he hasn't been a top pitcher in the NL for 2 years now

Thank goodness this is BS. I would have hated this Dontrelle trade, and I am on the "we should trade Dontrelle" side.

 

Humber has not been good this year, and Martinez can't play CF. At all.

 

Martinez is an 18 year old with loads of potential, but he isn't showing much power yet, still a long ways off, and his ceiling probably isn't as high as everyone thought a year ago. That trade would have been awful.

Thank goodness this is BS. I would have hated this Dontrelle trade, and I am on the "we should trade Dontrelle" side.

 

Humber has not been good this year, and Martinez can't play CF. At all.

 

Martinez is an 18 year old with loads of potential, but he isn't showing much power yet, still a long ways off, and his ceiling probably isn't as high as everyone thought a year ago. That trade would have been awful.

 

 

Completely agree..

Martinez is an 18 year old with loads of potential, but he isn't showing much power yet, still a long ways off, and his ceiling probably isn't as high as everyone thought a year ago. That trade would have been awful.

disagree 400000%.... he's an absolute phenom

Isn't Dontrelle just 25 years old with his best years ahead of him? Isn't he the heart and fist-pumping soul of this team, its natural leader? Isn't he the most fun player to watch, one of the few players in the major leagues that you WANT to do well because he is exerting maximum effort for your team? Isn't he the same player that reinvigorated the 2003 team and led to the happiest sports memories that anyone on this board has EVER had?

 

Everyone, take a deep breath and relax. Dontrelle is not regressing every year; he has been largely inconsistent from year to year. He hasn't even hit his prime yet and people are already set to see him retire. He will have better years than the last two in front of him. Frankly, he should mean more both in terms of emotional attachment and in terms of 2008 potential to all of the people on this board than the constant "ditch Dontrelle" posts have shown him.

 

Relax. He is going to be with us next year at a relatively low price; if he doesnt make our team contend again and we aren't in a position to sign him next year, he could be traded. Now is not the time for doom and gloom and to throw away those d-train rookie cards.

 

Dontrelle is a Marlin. In five years he won't be. You will tell your kids about Dontrelle.

 

Conclusion: Enjoy him now.

 

As much as like 18 year old prospects that could be/should be/may be pretty good in 2-4, I'm willing to enjoy Dontrelle now.

 

He's had a bad season. He is not a bad pitcher. I'm not asking for blind faith, just measured faith with an eye for premium returns from a premium player.

Dontrelle's value is going down by the start. Barring a totally unexpected reprisal of his '05 form, we absolutely will not get a better offer than this one. Martinez could very well be the answer in CF by opening day '09, he's a stud imo