July 31, 200719 yr Isn't Dontrelle just 25 years old with his best years ahead of him? Isn't he the heart and fist-pumping soul of this team, its natural leader? Isn't he the most fun player to watch, one of the few players in the major leagues that you WANT to do well because he is exerting maximum effort for your team? Isn't he the same player that reinvigorated the 2003 team and led to the happiest sports memories that anyone on this board has EVER had? You would think so. I guess. I want everyone to do well. He's a good guy, sure. Still have no problem in moving him.
July 31, 200719 yr Dontrelle is a fantastic person, and a great value to the clubhouse, but a mediocre pitcher who has 1.5 flukey years. His true form is much closer to what he has shown in '04, '06 and '07 than '03 and '05.
July 31, 200719 yr Dontrelle's value is going down by the start. Barring a totally unexpected reprisal of his '05 form, we absolutely will not get a better offer than this one. Martinez could very well be the answer in CF by opening day '09, he's a stud imo He's not a CF! Listen, the guy is all projection right now. He hit for nice, not great #'s in A ball and he is young, very young for his league. But I am seeing a trend where people are overrating prospects from other countries who play at a higher level at a young age, and forgiving lack of numbers simply because they are young. I have nothing to back this up, but I think a 17-18-19 year old from the Dominican, Venezuala and these other countries are a little more developed than a 17-19 year old from the States. They are playing against men over there, the other players they are playing against are more talented than your typical,goofy American HS baseball player. So they come over and do decent as 17 year olds, holding their own against 19 year old HS players in A ball and everyone calls them the next great one. Then they promote them rapidly, they struggle, and everyone says well yea, but he's only an 18 year old in AA ball...sooo...can't judge by the numbers. Blah. This isn't to say he won't be really good (I trust people like Ramp's projection), but he doesn't have great size,great speed or good numbers and doesn't play a premier position. I'd say there is an equal chance that Dontrelle bounces back to form (or closer to it, at least) in 08 than Fernando putting up a .900+ OPS in the bigs within 4 years. So thats why I hated this trade, plus it wouldn't help us at all in 2008, when I fully expect us to try to compete. That has always been the plan. < ---- couldn't have summed it all up in this one sentence instead I had to rant a little bit, sorry bout that!
July 31, 200719 yr whats the latest on the trades? what are they saying on espn?? rumors?? For the Marlins? Absolutely nothing. What a boring deadline for us, I almost think we should make this Mets trade just to add a little excitement to the board. :lol Seriously though, I wish we were aggressively shopping some of our bullpen arms considering the market for them.
July 31, 200719 yr Isn't Dontrelle just 25 years old with his best years ahead of him? Isn't he the heart and fist-pumping soul of this team, its natural leader? Isn't he the most fun player to watch, one of the few players in the major leagues that you WANT to do well because he is exerting maximum effort for your team? Isn't he the same player that reinvigorated the 2003 team and led to the happiest sports memories that anyone on this board has EVER had? Everyone, take a deep breath and relax. Dontrelle is not regressing every year; he has been largely inconsistent from year to year. He hasn't even hit his prime yet and people are already set to see him retire. He will have better years than the last two in front of him. Frankly, he should mean more both in terms of emotional attachment and in terms of 2008 potential to all of the people on this board than the constant "ditch Dontrelle" posts have shown him. Relax. He is going to be with us next year at a relatively low price; if he doesnt make our team contend again and we aren't in a position to sign him next year, he could be traded. Now is not the time for doom and gloom and to throw away those d-train rookie cards. Dontrelle is a Marlin. In five years he won't be. You will tell your kids about Dontrelle. Conclusion: Enjoy him now. As much as like 18 year old prospects that could be/should be/may be pretty good in 2-4, I'm willing to enjoy Dontrelle now. He's had a bad season. He is not a bad pitcher. I'm not asking for blind faith, just measured faith with an eye for premium returns from a premium player. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy well done
July 31, 200719 yr I seem to remember a Dontrelle that close the year last year in very good form and had way above average #'s.
July 31, 200719 yr I don't mind trading him, but why does it have to be to the Mets? That's a horrible idea. Trade him to the AL.
July 31, 200719 yr I seem to remember a Dontrelle that close the year last year in very good form and had way above average #'s. You remember correctly. Last year he struggled the first few weeks but not to make excuses for him but the defense behind him early last year was specially atrocious and not only that but our official scorer was an idiot and gave hits on a couple of balls that should have been Cabrera errors and those cost him a few earned runs. Just scanning his '06 game log from May 16th on he made 25 starts and was great in 13 on them... by great I mean he allowed 2 ER or less and went 7 inning or more in 13 of them. That's pretty good, I think.
July 31, 200719 yr It's sad that this fan base is so apathetic to the trading of its superstars - it's even to the point that some of us yearn to trade our big names for more prospects. I can guarantee you that no other fan base would be so eager to trade its star pitcher. But then again, we are like no other fan base...
July 31, 200719 yr It's sad that this fan base is so apathetic to the trading of its superstars - it's even to the point that some of us yearn to trade our big names for more prospects. I can guarantee you that no other fan base would be so eager to trade its star pitcher. But then again, we are like no other fan base... what's sad is that with this ownership and without a stadium, it's an inevitability that Dontrelle will not be a marlin past 2009, and trying to get the best possible return of players for him should have been a priority.
July 31, 200719 yr I understand the economics behind the speculation, but it's getting ridiculous. I'm 24 years old and I'm on the verge of seeing the fourth major Marlins overhaul. I'm pretty much sick of acting as a AAAA team for the Mets/Red Sox/etc. Seriously. We are lucky enough to have a pitcher that is a poster boy for the league, and we are itching to get rid of him. At some point it just gets to be too much. I was very close to giving up on this franchise when Lowell and Luis were traded away, but I stuck around. If Dontrelle goes, I'm done with this team.
July 31, 200719 yr Isn't Dontrelle just 25 years old with his best years ahead of him? Isn't he the heart and fist-pumping soul of this team, its natural leader? Isn't he the most fun player to watch, one of the few players in the major leagues that you WANT to do well because he is exerting maximum effort for your team? Isn't he the same player that reinvigorated the 2003 team and led to the happiest sports memories that anyone on this board has EVER had? Everyone, take a deep breath and relax. Dontrelle is not regressing every year; he has been largely inconsistent from year to year. He hasn't even hit his prime yet and people are already set to see him retire. He will have better years than the last two in front of him. Frankly, he should mean more both in terms of emotional attachment and in terms of 2008 potential to all of the people on this board than the constant "ditch Dontrelle" posts have shown him. Relax. He is going to be with us next year at a relatively low price; if he doesnt make our team contend again and we aren't in a position to sign him next year, he could be traded. Now is not the time for doom and gloom and to throw away those d-train rookie cards. Dontrelle is a Marlin. In five years he won't be. You will tell your kids about Dontrelle. Conclusion: Enjoy him now. As much as like 18 year old prospects that could be/should be/may be pretty good in 2-4, I'm willing to enjoy Dontrelle now. He's had a bad season. He is not a bad pitcher. I'm not asking for blind faith, just measured faith with an eye for premium returns from a premium player. Pass the Kool-Aid.
July 31, 200719 yr I understand the economics behind the speculation, but it's getting ridiculous. I'm 24 years old and I'm on the verge of seeing the fourth major Marlins overhaul. I'm pretty much sick of acting as a AAAA team for the Mets/Red Sox/etc. Seriously. We are lucky enough to have a pitcher that is a poster boy for the league, and we are itching to get rid of him. At some point it just gets to be too much. I was very close to giving up on this franchise when Lowell and Luis were traded away, but I stuck around. If Dontrelle goes, I'm done with this team. Seeya!
July 31, 200719 yr I understand the economics behind the speculation, but it's getting ridiculous. I'm 24 years old and I'm on the verge of seeing the fourth major Marlins overhaul. I'm pretty much sick of acting as a AAAA team for the Mets/Red Sox/etc. Seriously. We are lucky enough to have a pitcher that is a poster boy for the league, and we are itching to get rid of him. At some point it just gets to be too much. I was very close to giving up on this franchise when Lowell and Luis were traded away, but I stuck around. If Dontrelle goes, I'm done with this team. So I guess you won't be a Marlins fan once he hits free agency, huh?
July 31, 200719 yr It's sad that this fan base is so apathetic to the trading of its superstars - it's even to the point that some of us yearn to trade our big names for more prospects. I can guarantee you that no other fan base would be so eager to trade its star pitcher. But then again, we are like no other fan base... That's the life of a Marlin fan. We can't get too attached to our star players. Brace yourself for Miguel Cabrera to be next in a couple years.
July 31, 200719 yr It's sad that this fan base is so apathetic to the trading of its superstars - it's even to the point that some of us yearn to trade our big names for more prospects. I can guarantee you that no other fan base would be so eager to trade its star pitcher. But then again, we are like no other fan base... That's the life of a Marlin fan. We can't get too attached to our star players. Brace yourself for Miguel Cabrera to be next in a couple years. SSHHHH, I've somehow been able to keep that little fact out of my head.
July 31, 200719 yr It's sad that this fan base is so apathetic to the trading of its superstars - it's even to the point that some of us yearn to trade our big names for more prospects. I can guarantee you that no other fan base would be so eager to trade its star pitcher. But then again, we are like no other fan base... Buy this man a beer. :beer Good post. With that said, Im very suprised (and slightly dissapointed) the Marlins were not sellers at the deadline. Im glad Willis stayed put because he will return to form but I think we may have gotten some juicy offers for Gregg.
August 1, 200719 yr It's sad that this fan base is so apathetic to the trading of its superstars - it's even to the point that some of us yearn to trade our big names for more prospects. I can guarantee you that no other fan base would be so eager to trade its star pitcher. But then again, we are like no other fan base... That's a very good post. I would like to believe however that the GM's in their mind who widely populate this forum are not a true reflection of what the overall fan base thinks.
August 1, 200719 yr it's even to the point that some of us yearn to trade our big names for more prospects.
August 1, 200719 yr first let me state i like dontrelle willis , i enjoy his energy and zest for the game , I would like to keep him as a Marlin .....that said the guy when right ignoring his best and worst year a 2/3 starter on most teams , i would be opposed to giving him a large multi year contract that pays him as an a number one starter . IMO most years willis will give you 12-14 win , 200 plus innings , an era 4-4.25, willis keeps you in games but doesnt necessarily win them
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