Ton of championship games this weekend.

 

If West Virginia and Missouri win they are in the BCS title game. If one loses, Ohio State is in. If both lose, the sky opens and Armageddon begins.

 

Here are the current Sagarin ratings:

 

College Football 2007 through games of November 24 Saturday		   the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE=  2.59		   RATING	W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 |  ELO_CHESS   |  PREDICTOR  
1  West Virginia		A  =  93.12   10   1   73.10(  35)	0   0  |	2   1  |   91.65	2 |   94.27	3
2  Ohio State		   A  =  91.39   11   1   70.37(  56)	0   0  |	3   1  |   89.07	5 |   93.70	4
3  Missouri			 A  =  90.77   11   1   73.22(  34)	1   1  |	2   1  |   93.37	1 |   88.36	9
4  Kansas			   A  =  90.73   11   1   65.24(  90)	0   1  |	0   1  |   89.84	3 |   91.22	6
5  Florida			  A  =  90.11	9   3   76.03(   5)	0   2  |	2   3  |   86.48	9 |   94.67	2
6  LSU				  A  =  89.82   10   2   74.35(  26)	2   0  |	3   2  |   88.51	8 |   90.78	7
7  Oklahoma			 A  =  89.55   10   2   69.31(  67)	1   0  |	2   0  |   85.51   13 |   94.91	1
8  Southern California  A  =  87.81	9   2   73.28(  33)	0   0  |	2   1  |   86.35   10 |   88.94	8
9  Virginia Tech		A  =  87.37   10   2   72.26(  45)	0   1  |	1   2  |   89.74	4 |   85.07   14
10  Georgia			  A  =  87.12   10   2   74.61(  22)	1   0  |	3   1  |   88.88	6 |   85.24   13
College Football 2007 through games of November 24 Saturday		   the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE=  2.59		   RATING	W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 |  ELO_CHESS   |  PREDICTOR  
11  Arizona State		A  =  86.97	9   2   74.35(  27)	0   1  |	1   2  |   85.81   12 |   87.73   10
12  Oregon			   A  =  86.85	8   3   75.94(   7)	1   0  |	3   0  |   82.80   18 |   92.03	5
13  South Florida		A  =  85.35	9   3   74.22(  29)	1   0  |	2   2  |   83.52   17 |   86.93   12
14  Cincinnati		   A  =  84.40	9   3   69.48(  66)	0   1  |	3   1  |   81.81   23 |   86.97   11
15  Boston College	   A  =  83.92   10   2   72.63(  41)	1   0  |	2   0  |   88.73	7 |   80.11   29
16  Clemson			  A  =  83.87	9   3   72.61(  42)	0   1  |	0   2  |   84.83   16 |   82.58   19
17  Tennessee			A  =  83.03	9   3   74.36(  25)	1   1  |	3   1  |   85.20   14 |   80.81   27
18  Hawaii			   A  =  82.44   11   0   55.17( 142)	0   0  |	1   0  |   86.04   11 |   79.26   33
19  Illinois			 A  =  82.39	9   3   73.03(  36)	1   1  |	3   2  |   82.72   19 |   81.64   21
20  Auburn			   A  =  82.12	8   4   72.56(  43)	1   2  |	2   3  |   82.11   21 |   81.69   20
College Football 2007 through games of November 24 Saturday		   the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE=  2.59		   RATING	W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 |  ELO_CHESS   |  PREDICTOR  
21  Arkansas			 A  =  81.88	8   4   70.21(  60)	1   0  |	1   3  |   80.01   28 |   83.47   16
22  BYU				  A  =  81.43	9   2   69.69(  64)	0   0  |	0   0  |   80.99   24 |   81.42   24
23  Kentucky			 A  =  81.34	7   5   74.58(  23)	1   2  |	2   3  |   79.25   32 |   83.21   18
24  Texas				A  =  80.75	9   3   70.05(  62)	0   1  |	0   1  |   79.65   30 |   81.44   23
25  Connecticut		  A  =  80.55	9   3   70.26(  59)	0   1  |	1   2  |   81.92   22 |   78.92   34

I expect we see a poll of this later today:

 

1. West Virginia (~ half of the 1st place votes)

2. Missouri (~ half of the 1st place votes)

3. Ohio State (possibly a 1st place vote)

4. Oklahoma

5. Southern California/Virginia Tech

Virginia Tech should jump above OSU if they win the ACC title....if your going to penalize teams for losing in title games, if they win them they should get to move up too....Oklahoma not as much should move above Ohio State too if they win their title game.

I guess you live in a universe where 2 losses are better than 1.

 

Retarded.

Ok....great....losses count huh?

 

Then why isn't the only team with ZERO losses in the title game?

 

Tech lost to LSU and BC...two top 10 teams...

:blink:

 

Because they don't play a semblance of a decent schedule and they are in a non-BCS conference? We've been over this before.

 

Although, I will say, if WV and Mizzou both lost, I think a compelling argument should be made for Hawaii to be in the championship game. It doesn't matter though because West Virginia at minimum is going to win.

 

You are such a homer/unquestionably biased towards Virginia schools and one of your other 9 teams (who's rival is OSU) that no one should take you seriously when you start saying stuff like this.

 

In a season like this, when the top teams are losing every week, how Ohio State gets zero credit for only losing once on their schedule is beyond me.

Ohio State given their schedule and the lack of a championship game does not deserve to be in the title game and I dont care what the few OSU supporters on this board say their schedule was weak . I will be pulling hard for Missouri and WVU to win.

Ohio State given their schedule and the lack of a championship game does not deserve to be in the title game and I dont care what the few OSU supporters on this board say their schedule was weak . I will be pulling hard for Missouri and WVU to win.

:lol

 

I'd be saying this if i didn't like OSU. 1 loss is less than 2. Are people seriously trying to tell me there is a significant difference between any of the BCS conferences this year? No way. Its all a bunch of parity. I may concede that the Big 12 is the best overall but all the others are so close and similar it isn't even funny.

It's pretty funny how everyone points to Hawaii's weak schedule but Kansas's schedule is ranked 90th. Before Missouri, they played ZERO ranked teams and played a I-AA and one of the only winless teams in the country but somehow they get a pass. They didn't play Oklahoma or Texas.

 

All i'm saying is that Virginia Tech is going to get penalized if they lose in an extra game that the Big 10 won't play. They should get rewarded for it if they win.

 

Big ten teams should be penalized for not playing the extra week and eventually they'll realize they need a title game.

I'm a big ACC supporter, but there is no way that a 2-loss VT should go over a 1-loss OSU.

Virginia Tech already has 2 losses, it doesn't matter if they win the ACC Championship game or not. 2 losses are more than 1. Simple math.

 

I love how people will slam OSU's chances yet have no problem with West Virginia being in the position they are. Can anyone tell me the difference between Illinois and USF?

 

Can anyone tell me the difference between Wisconsin and Connecticut?

 

Between Cincinnati and Michigan?

 

No, you can't.

 

The system is f***ed so much that it allows you to lose early and make your way back up more than you can if you lose late, despite losing to a similar if not equally talented opponent.

The BIG 10 was weak this year in spite of that if OSU had went undefeated I would have no problem giving them their due or if the BIG 10 was stronger or if OSU had played some tough out of conference game even with one loss I would give them their respect but I dont think a team whose out of conference schedule was as weak as OSU's , in a down year in the Big 10 , and not having to play in a championship game should be rewarded with a trip to the championship game .That is my opinion NOTHING is going to change my mind on that. As to an axe to grind with OSU I really could careless they are not a rival of my team and when we played them twice for the national championship(fb and bb) we beat them .

You can't use losses as an argument when a team with none is left out.....schedule be damned....Your sole argument is number of losses...well there's a team with NONE. So the system which is messed up can further be messed up.

 

By the way,

 

Tech 45th ranked Schedule

OSU 56th

WVU 35th....

 

Oh and your OSU vs. WVU argument? The Big East is tougher then the Big 10.

As to an axe to grind with OSU I really could careless they are not a rival of my team and when we played them twice for the national championship(fb and bb) we beat them .

No one accused you of that. I don't even know anything about you other than I'm pretty sure you are a Florida fan.

 

As for PA...

 

WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING UP VIRGINIA TECH?

 

THEY HAVE TWO LOSSES IN A BCS CONFERENCE.

 

OHIO STATE HAS ONE LOSS IN A BCS CONFERENCE.

 

As for saying the Big East is better what are you basing that on besides your own conjecture?

 

The people that think one conference is that much better or even slightly better than another BCS conference this year are simply kidding themselves. This is a season rife with parity. There are no clear cut better teams. Just because CBS tells you the SEC is amazing doesn't mean it actually is.

Alright fine....I think Oklahoma and Georgia even should go above Ohio State too....

As if the Big-Ten is that much better than WAC.

Alright fine....I think Oklahoma and Georgia even should go above Ohio State too....

We know you do.

 

You're also an idiot.

As if the Big-Ten is that much better than WAC.

 

OMG Hawaii played two I-AA teams.....OMG that's HORRIBLE! They should be banned from any bowl this year.

if Mizzou wins, I will want West Virginia to win

 

if one of those loses, I want the other to lose too

 

I want Armageddon.

As if the Big-Ten is that much better than WAC.

 

OMG Hawaii played two I-AA teams.....OMG that's HORRIBLE! They should be banned from any bowl this year.

Dude, what are you talking about

 

stop trying to compare Hawaii to these teams... they played no one besides Fresno (bleh) and Boise (thats a good win, but home)

 

I think they can hang with or beat anyone, but come on

If both loses it is going to be OSU automatically.

 

Then there will be an all out war of words between USC, Virginia Tech (pending ACC win), Hawaii, and LSU (pending SEC win).

 

West Virginia is going to blow through Pittsburgh though, so this is all pointless speculation.

As if the Big-Ten is that much better than WAC.

 

OMG Hawaii played two I-AA teams.....OMG that's HORRIBLE! They should be banned from any bowl this year.

Dude, what are you talking about

 

stop trying to compare Hawaii to these teams... they played no one besides Fresno (bleh) and Boise (thats a good win, but home)

 

I think they can hang with or beat anyone, but come on

If they were beating up on those teams I'd give them a lot more credit but they simply haven't.

pac-10 championship up for grabs with usc playing ucla, arizona st. playing arizona and oregon playing oregon st. on saturday.

 

also, army vs. navy, followed by lsu and tennessee for a great saturday of football on cbs.

I find it pretty meh that a 2 loss team would get in over Hawaii. I find it even more meh that a 3 loss team is going to be ranked ahead of Hawaii.

I find it pretty meh that a 2 loss team would get in over Hawaii. I find it even more meh that a 3 loss team is going to be ranked ahead of Hawaii.

You are at a disadvantage in the BCS playing in a non-BCS conference.

 

So what do you need to do to make up for that? Besides going undefeated you also need to earn style points. So don't beat a sub .500 team by 1 point, don't let a 2-10 team put 37 up on you and don't beat another sub .500 team by a single touchdown.

I guess you live in a universe where 2 losses are better than 1.

 

Retarded.

It is the logical extension of one loss being better than zero. (reference to Hawaii)

 

I predict UCF will beat Tulsa and will wind up BCS #25.

 

BTW: 11 points in the AP poll, 18 points in the Coaches poll.