November 25, 200718 yr I guess you live in a universe where 2 losses are better than 1. Retarded. It is the logical extension of one loss being better than zero. (reference to Hawaii) I predict UCF will beat Tulsa and will wind up BCS #25. BTW: 11 points in the AP poll, 18 points in the Coaches poll. blah... Paul Smith is gonna rip UCF apart
November 25, 200718 yr Ohio State playing in the national title game would be the biggest joke of all time. They beat nobody this year, and it's partly their own fault. Their OOC schedule was Youngstown State, Akron, Washington, and Kent State. That's awful. With that being said, with the way the system works they will be the right team to play in the National Championship game if Mizzou loses to Oklahoma. As for Hawaii, this beef would be more legit if they played something that resembled a legit OOC schedule. Coming into the Boise game, their SOS was 119 out of 119. When you play TWO 1-aa teams, then you are asking for trouble in the BCS. HOWEVER, the fact that a team can win all the games on their schedule and not get a chance to play for a national championship (like Boise last year), it's a joke. The problem is with the system, but under the system it should be OSU/WVU (if Mizzou loses), and Hawaii doesn't belong in the title game.
November 25, 200718 yr blah... Paul Smith is gonna rip UCF apart Like he did a month ago with those 4 INTs? :mischief
November 25, 200718 yr Author Ohio State playing in the national title game would be the biggest joke of all time. :lol
November 25, 200718 yr FAU at Troy for the Sun Belt Title and a trip to New Orleans. Game is at 2pm and will be broadcast on CSS. Tune in to watch the only NCAA team in S. Florida with a chance to go bowling....
November 25, 200718 yr Ohio State playing in the national title game would be the biggest joke of all time. :lol Who have they beat that is worth a damn?
November 25, 200718 yr Author Ohio State playing in the national title game would be the biggest joke of all time. :lol Who have they beat that is worth a damn? Michigan, Wisconsin, and Penn State are all good/solid teams. They beat these teams pretty handily and only had real trouble with Wisconsin and took over in the second half. Its not as if they struggled to win week in and week out and were skating by. This year everyone is losing at least twice (outside of a select few), they get absolutely zero credit for simply surviving when everyone else has been falling. Again, someone tell me the difference between Michigan and Wisconsin versus Connecticut and Cincinnati. There is none. LSU was seen as a definitive number one when they had one loss. Look at their schedule. It is anything but spectacular. Besides Virginia Tech they beat a lot of middle of the road/solid teams and had a tougher time doing it then OSU did. Is Auburn, Alabama, and Florida that spectacular a trio of wins? Seriously? Would the bitching be there if LSU still had one loss? Again, this year in college football, I see no difference in the big conferences as far as strength. Someone explain to me how conference wins this year are that much more spectacular than another team's. OSU gets credit for only losing one of theirs when everyone else seems to be losing multiple times. I guess thats 'the biggest joke ever' though.
November 25, 200718 yr Michigan and Penn State aren't top 25 teams, and beating #19 Wisconsin at home is a nice win, but certainly not a trademark win. The main arguement for Ohio State is "they lost less games then everyone else". Excuse me for expecting more from my team playing for a national championship. As I said in my original post, if Mizzou loses then under this system OSU will deserve to be in the National Title Game, however that just shows how much of a joke the system is. This year shows how much a playoff is needed.
November 25, 200718 yr Author Say the system is a joke, but don't say OSU the team and being the benefactor of the system is a joke. Also, I don't want to hear the top 25 stuff when it comes to human polls. They show their bias pretty easily. Also, when you look at those Sagarin ratings I've posted. Ohio State has played 4 top 30 teams this year and beaten 3 of them. Only LSU and Georgia had 3 wins over the top 30 as well. West Virginia has 2, Missouri has 2, Oklahoma has 2, Southern Cal has 2, and Virginia Tech has 1. Yeah, OSU is the 'joke' though and has beaten nobody. Everyone else seems to skate by this year with little to no criticism but with the dust settling, OSU is one of just three and potentially just two to be left standing. I don't see the joke at all.
November 25, 200718 yr I didn't say OSU as a team was a joke. I don't think they are very good, but I don't think they are a joke.
November 25, 200718 yr Author No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game.
November 25, 200718 yr No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it.
November 25, 200718 yr No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. You think UGA is the first/second best team in the country right now?!?!?!?! WOW.
November 25, 200718 yr No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. You think UGA is the first/second best team in the country right now?!?!?!?! WOW. And if that's true anyway, they aren't even playing for the SEC championship
November 25, 200718 yr Michigan and Penn State aren't top 25 teams, and beating #19 Wisconsin at home is a nice win, but certainly not a trademark win. The main arguement for Ohio State is "they lost less games then everyone else". Excuse me for expecting more from my team playing for a national championship. As I said in my original post, if Mizzou loses then under this system OSU will deserve to be in the National Title Game, however that just shows how much of a joke the system is. This year shows how much a playoff is needed. If Northern Illinois or Illinois go unbeaten but dont really look all that special doing it, would you say you expect more from them if theyre gonna be a national championship team, so somebody else oughtta be in the game over them? This one is a little too easy for you to say "yeah" to since there isnt much of a chance of it happening.
November 25, 200718 yr Author No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. I'm talking about the system as is, it is the only system we have and it is the one to decide who plays for a national championship. To talk about any other system or metric, is pointless. I want the two teams who best earned a shot at a National Championship to play in one. Right now that is Missouri and West Virginia/Ohio State. If Mizzou or WV loses, Ohio State SHOULD be in. I don't even get the debate. I'm glad in the Junior Power Rankings of Awesomeâ„¢ Georgia and USC should play for the National Championship but again, that means nothing in this conversation. Also, saying West Virginia would beat Ohio State, etc. is again, meaningless. Earning a spot in the championship and your chances of winning are totally separate. Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that?
November 25, 200718 yr Michigan and Penn State aren't top 25 teams, and beating #19 Wisconsin at home is a nice win, but certainly not a trademark win. The main arguement for Ohio State is "they lost less games then everyone else". Excuse me for expecting more from my team playing for a national championship. As I said in my original post, if Mizzou loses then under this system OSU will deserve to be in the National Title Game, however that just shows how much of a joke the system is. This year shows how much a playoff is needed. If Northern Illinois or Illinois go unbeaten but dont really look all that special doing it, would you say you expect more from them if theyre gonna be a national championship team, so somebody else oughtta be in the game over them? This one is a little too easy for you to say "yeah" to since there isnt much of a chance of it happening. Did Ohio State go unbeaten? No. And you aren't paying attention if you don't think Illinois has a chance to go undefeated next year.
November 25, 200718 yr It's alright, Ohio State belonged in the championship game last year.....wait i think Florida scored again... Put OSU in the title game and let them get embarrassed again. It's all good.
November 25, 200718 yr No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. I'm talking about the system as is, it is the only system we have and it is the one to decide who plays for a national championship. To talk about any other system or metric, is pointless. I want the two teams who best earned a shot at a National Championship to play in one. Right now that is Missouri and West Virginia/Ohio State. If Mizzou or WV loses, Ohio State SHOULD be in. I don't even get the debate. I'm glad in the Junior Power Rankings of Awesome? Georgia and USC should play for the National Championship but again, that means nothing in this conversation. Also, saying West Virginia would beat Ohio State, etc. is again, meaningless. Earning a spot in the championship and your chances of winning are totally separate. Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that? Let's try this one more time. I said that if Mizzou loses Ohio State should be in under the current BCS system. And I never said Georgia and USC should be playing for the National Championship.
November 25, 200718 yr Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that? Sometimes you need to give people a little more than half a season to realize they might be wrong about something...... (SEC)
November 25, 200718 yr Author It's alright, Ohio State belonged in the championship game last year.....wait i think Florida scored again... Put OSU in the title game and let them get embarrassed again. It's all good. Great argument. Once again, PA brings nothing to back up his stance besides idiocy. What you do in the Championship game has nothing to do with earning a spot in it. The fact that someone is actually paying you money to cover and talk about sports is downright frightening. No wonder sports radio gets such a bad rap.
November 25, 200718 yr Michigan and Penn State aren't top 25 teams, and beating #19 Wisconsin at home is a nice win, but certainly not a trademark win. The main arguement for Ohio State is "they lost less games then everyone else". Excuse me for expecting more from my team playing for a national championship. As I said in my original post, if Mizzou loses then under this system OSU will deserve to be in the National Title Game, however that just shows how much of a joke the system is. This year shows how much a playoff is needed. If Northern Illinois or Illinois go unbeaten but dont really look all that special doing it, would you say you expect more from them if theyre gonna be a national championship team, so somebody else oughtta be in the game over them? This one is a little too easy for you to say "yeah" to since there isnt much of a chance of it happening. Did Ohio State go unbeaten? No. And you aren't paying attention if you don't think Illinois has a chance to go undefeated next year. Is it that different if Illinois loses 1 and everyone else loses 2? Should I say that instead? What if Illinois loses 1 game next year and everyone else loses 2 but Illinois also only beats some teams by a few points? And dont forget, theyre in the Big 10, so they play nobody, right? What would you say then?
November 25, 200718 yr It's alright, Ohio State belonged in the championship game last year.....wait i think Florida scored again... Put OSU in the title game and let them get embarrassed again. It's all good. Great argument. Once again, PA brings nothing to back up his stance besides idiocy. What you do in the Championship game has nothing to do with earning a spot in it. The fact that someone is actually paying you money to cover and talk about sports is downright frightening. No wonder sports radio gets such a bad rap. And no wonder when someone doesn't agree with you, you head for personal attacks....it must hurt to be wrong so often that you have to do that.
November 25, 200718 yr Author No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. I'm talking about the system as is, it is the only system we have and it is the one to decide who plays for a national championship. To talk about any other system or metric, is pointless. I want the two teams who best earned a shot at a National Championship to play in one. Right now that is Missouri and West Virginia/Ohio State. If Mizzou or WV loses, Ohio State SHOULD be in. I don't even get the debate. I'm glad in the Junior Power Rankings of Awesome? Georgia and USC should play for the National Championship but again, that means nothing in this conversation. Also, saying West Virginia would beat Ohio State, etc. is again, meaningless. Earning a spot in the championship and your chances of winning are totally separate. Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that? Let's try this one more time. I said that if Mizzou loses Ohio State should be in under the current BCS system. And I never said Georgia and USC should be playing for the National Championship. Then I have no idea why you feel the need to continue to slam OSU. I guess it makes you feel good or something. Interesting that Illinois win over OSU by 7 points, including a false touchdown, was a big enough deal to have you write celebratory posts and acknowledge the win with a picture in your signature. OSU isn't very good I thought? Also, congratulations on your ducking of the schedule issue that was the main point of your argument against OSU. What a brilliant discussion.
November 25, 200718 yr It's alright, Ohio State belonged in the championship game last year.....wait i think Florida scored again... Put OSU in the title game and let them get embarrassed again. It's all good. Great argument. Once again, PA brings nothing to back up his stance besides idiocy. What you do in the Championship game has nothing to do with earning a spot in it. The fact that someone is actually paying you money to cover and talk about sports is downright frightening. No wonder sports radio gets such a bad rap. Its called playing the result, its what everyone does that doesnt really understand what theyre talking about. Ohio St didnt belong because they got crushed even though before that, what they had done compared to other teams showed they belonged in the game. All the sports writers loved talking about it too, both Ohio St and Michigan belonged, fine, but then you cant say they didnt just because of what happened. They belonged for reasons leading up to the game, not reasons that followed. I cant stand Ohio St, but who cares, let them get beat and embarassed, if one of the top 2 should fall, Ohio St belongs (They arent very good, nobody else is all that great this year either, theyd belong anyway). I would be very disappointed because I think WVU and Mizzou would be a great game, but thats how it works.
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