November 25, 200718 yr Michigan and Penn State aren't top 25 teams, and beating #19 Wisconsin at home is a nice win, but certainly not a trademark win. The main arguement for Ohio State is "they lost less games then everyone else". Excuse me for expecting more from my team playing for a national championship. As I said in my original post, if Mizzou loses then under this system OSU will deserve to be in the National Title Game, however that just shows how much of a joke the system is. This year shows how much a playoff is needed. If Northern Illinois or Illinois go unbeaten but dont really look all that special doing it, would you say you expect more from them if theyre gonna be a national championship team, so somebody else oughtta be in the game over them? This one is a little too easy for you to say "yeah" to since there isnt much of a chance of it happening. Did Ohio State go unbeaten? No. And you aren't paying attention if you don't think Illinois has a chance to go undefeated next year. Is it that different if Illinois loses 1 and everyone else loses 2? Should I say that instead? What if Illinois loses 1 game next year and everyone else loses 2 but Illinois also only beats some teams by a few points? And dont forget, theyre in the Big 10, so they play nobody, right? What would you say then? Well if that is the case, Kansas should be right behind OSU in the rankings then. They are a BCS team with only 1 loss. Why wasn't Kansas #1 over LSU last week? What exactly Illinois has to do with this I have no idea. Of course I would be saying Illinois should be in, because I am a fan of Illinois. That doesn't mean I would be right.
November 25, 200718 yr Author It's alright, Ohio State belonged in the championship game last year.....wait i think Florida scored again... Put OSU in the title game and let them get embarrassed again. It's all good. Great argument. Once again, PA brings nothing to back up his stance besides idiocy. What you do in the Championship game has nothing to do with earning a spot in it. The fact that someone is actually paying you money to cover and talk about sports is downright frightening. No wonder sports radio gets such a bad rap. And no wonder when someone doesn't agree with you, you head for personal attacks....it must hurt to be wrong so often that you have to do that. To disagree is one thing, to bring nothing up to back up your point other then empty posts is another. Exactly how am I wrong right now?
November 25, 200718 yr Author Well if that is the case, Kansas should be right behind OSU in the rankings then. They are a BCS team with only 1 loss. I wouldn't disagree. Why wasn't Kansas #1 over LSU last week? Some asinine sportswriters and the media actually thought LSU and the SEC are/were dominant? What exactly Illinois has to do with this I have no idea. Of course I would be saying Illinois should be in, because I am a fan of Illinois. That doesn't mean I would be right. Why would you blatantly be a homer like that? :lol
November 25, 200718 yr All this arguing is pointless.....the BCS sucks and because of it we won't know who the best team is this year.
November 25, 200718 yr Michigan and Penn State aren't top 25 teams, and beating #19 Wisconsin at home is a nice win, but certainly not a trademark win. The main arguement for Ohio State is "they lost less games then everyone else". Excuse me for expecting more from my team playing for a national championship. As I said in my original post, if Mizzou loses then under this system OSU will deserve to be in the National Title Game, however that just shows how much of a joke the system is. This year shows how much a playoff is needed. If Northern Illinois or Illinois go unbeaten but dont really look all that special doing it, would you say you expect more from them if theyre gonna be a national championship team, so somebody else oughtta be in the game over them? This one is a little too easy for you to say "yeah" to since there isnt much of a chance of it happening. Did Ohio State go unbeaten? No. And you aren't paying attention if you don't think Illinois has a chance to go undefeated next year. Is it that different if Illinois loses 1 and everyone else loses 2? Should I say that instead? What if Illinois loses 1 game next year and everyone else loses 2 but Illinois also only beats some teams by a few points? And dont forget, theyre in the Big 10, so they play nobody, right? What would you say then? Well if that is the case, Kansas should be right behind OSU in the rankings then. They are a BCS team with only 1 loss. Why wasn't Kansas #1 over LSU last week? What exactly Illinois has to do with this I have no idea. Of course I would be saying Illinois should be in, because I am a fan of Illinois. That doesn't mean I would be right. Illinois is in the same conference full of those teams that arent good, so since you expect more from a team playing for the title, I would think you would expect more out of Illinois, otherwise the title game would be a farce. So Illinois would deserve a spot but.... you dont like Ohio St.... so they wouldnt deserve a spot. I think Kansas shouldve been #1. You wont get me to argue that an LSU team that lost to UK and looked like sh*t a number of other times should be ranked higher than an unbeaten team from a BCS conference.
November 25, 200718 yr Author It's alright, Ohio State belonged in the championship game last year.....wait i think Florida scored again... Put OSU in the title game and let them get embarrassed again. It's all good. Great argument. Once again, PA brings nothing to back up his stance besides idiocy. What you do in the Championship game has nothing to do with earning a spot in it. The fact that someone is actually paying you money to cover and talk about sports is downright frightening. No wonder sports radio gets such a bad rap. Its called playing the result, its what everyone does that doesnt really understand what theyre talking about. Ohio St didnt belong because they got crushed even though before that, what they had done compared to other teams showed they belonged in the game. All the sports writers loved talking about it too, both Ohio St and Michigan belonged, fine, but then you cant say they didnt just because of what happened. They belonged for reasons leading up to the game, not reasons that followed. I cant stand Ohio St, but who cares, let them get beat and embarassed, if one of the top 2 should fall, Ohio St belongs (They arent very good, nobody else is all that great this year either, theyd belong anyway). I would be very disappointed because I think WVU and Mizzou would be a great game, but thats how it works. I hate to see such a well informed, substance filled post get cut off by the page break so I'm quoting it on here. Well said.
November 25, 200718 yr No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. I'm talking about the system as is, it is the only system we have and it is the one to decide who plays for a national championship. To talk about any other system or metric, is pointless. I want the two teams who best earned a shot at a National Championship to play in one. Right now that is Missouri and West Virginia/Ohio State. If Mizzou or WV loses, Ohio State SHOULD be in. I don't even get the debate. I'm glad in the Junior Power Rankings of Awesome? Georgia and USC should play for the National Championship but again, that means nothing in this conversation. Also, saying West Virginia would beat Ohio State, etc. is again, meaningless. Earning a spot in the championship and your chances of winning are totally separate. Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that? Let's try this one more time. I said that if Mizzou loses Ohio State should be in under the current BCS system. And I never said Georgia and USC should be playing for the National Championship. Then I have no idea why you feel the need to continue to slam OSU. I guess it makes you feel good or something. Interesting that Illinois win over OSU by 7 points, including a false touchdown, was a big enough deal to have you write celebratory posts and acknowledge the win with a picture in your signature. OSU isn't very good I thought? Also, congratulations on your ducking of the schedule issue that was the main point of your argument against OSU. What a brilliant discussion. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK. Tressel could have challenged that "false touchdown" at any time before the snap, and maybe the "false touchdown" wouldn't have mattered if the best defense in the land could get off the field and Boeckmen wasn't busy slinging interceptions. Ohio State was the undefeated #1 team at the country at that time, hadn't lost a regular season game in like 2 years, and hadn't lost a home game in conference at home in god knows how long. You're right, nothing to be excited about. And I GUESS saying I don't think OSU is that good is "slamming" them. It's not like I'm going OMG DEY SUCK!!!!!!!111. I'm really talking about the system more then I am OSU. Although according to you talking about the BCS system is not allowed.
November 25, 200718 yr Author All this arguing is pointless.....the BCS sucks and because of it we won't know who the best team is this year. Substance-O-Meter: 0.0
November 25, 200718 yr Michigan and Penn State aren't top 25 teams, and beating #19 Wisconsin at home is a nice win, but certainly not a trademark win. The main arguement for Ohio State is "they lost less games then everyone else". Excuse me for expecting more from my team playing for a national championship. As I said in my original post, if Mizzou loses then under this system OSU will deserve to be in the National Title Game, however that just shows how much of a joke the system is. This year shows how much a playoff is needed. If Northern Illinois or Illinois go unbeaten but dont really look all that special doing it, would you say you expect more from them if theyre gonna be a national championship team, so somebody else oughtta be in the game over them? This one is a little too easy for you to say "yeah" to since there isnt much of a chance of it happening. Did Ohio State go unbeaten? No. And you aren't paying attention if you don't think Illinois has a chance to go undefeated next year. Is it that different if Illinois loses 1 and everyone else loses 2? Should I say that instead? What if Illinois loses 1 game next year and everyone else loses 2 but Illinois also only beats some teams by a few points? And dont forget, theyre in the Big 10, so they play nobody, right? What would you say then? Well if that is the case, Kansas should be right behind OSU in the rankings then. They are a BCS team with only 1 loss. Why wasn't Kansas #1 over LSU last week? What exactly Illinois has to do with this I have no idea. Of course I would be saying Illinois should be in, because I am a fan of Illinois. That doesn't mean I would be right. Illinois is in the same conference full of those teams that arent good, so since you expect more from a team playing for the title, I would think you would expect more out of Illinois, otherwise the title game would be a farce. So Illinois would deserve a spot but.... you dont like Ohio St.... so they wouldnt deserve a spot. I honestly have no idea what the hell you are even talking about anymore. I have nothing against OSU's football team. I actually really like Jim Tressel as a coach.
November 25, 200718 yr Author No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. I'm talking about the system as is, it is the only system we have and it is the one to decide who plays for a national championship. To talk about any other system or metric, is pointless. I want the two teams who best earned a shot at a National Championship to play in one. Right now that is Missouri and West Virginia/Ohio State. If Mizzou or WV loses, Ohio State SHOULD be in. I don't even get the debate. I'm glad in the Junior Power Rankings of Awesomeâ„¢ Georgia and USC should play for the National Championship but again, that means nothing in this conversation. Also, saying West Virginia would beat Ohio State, etc. is again, meaningless. Earning a spot in the championship and your chances of winning are totally separate. Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that? Let's try this one more time. I said that if Mizzou loses Ohio State should be in under the current BCS system. And I never said Georgia and USC should be playing for the National Championship. Then I have no idea why you feel the need to continue to slam OSU. I guess it makes you feel good or something. Interesting that Illinois win over OSU by 7 points, including a false touchdown, was a big enough deal to have you write celebratory posts and acknowledge the win with a picture in your signature. OSU isn't very good I thought? Also, congratulations on your ducking of the schedule issue that was the main point of your argument against OSU. What a brilliant discussion. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK. Tressel could have challenged that "false touchdown" at any time before the snap, and maybe the "false touchdown" wouldn't have mattered if the best defense in the land could get off the field and Boeckmen wasn't busy slinging interceptions. Ohio State was the undefeated #1 team at the country at that time, hadn't lost a regular season game in like 2 years, and hadn't lost a home game in conference at home in god knows how long. You're right, nothing to be excited about. And I GUESS saying I don't think OSU is that good is "slamming" them. It's not like I'm going OMG DEY SUCK!!!!!!!111. I'm really talking about the system more then I am OSU. Although according to you talking about the BCS system is not allowed. No he couldn't have, the play was ruled dead. Doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call. Illinois won though, I won't take anything away from them. Ohio State had plenty of shots and didn't do it. They lost. Next play. I was just curious as to why you were happy if they 'aren't that good'. Doesn't say a whole lot about Illinois this year if they only beat them by a TD. Curious. You're backing off your original point. You said OSU didn't belong. Also, I never said talking about the BCS 'isn't allowed' (never said this) I said talking about the problems with the system and using them to slam OSU's legitimacy was unfair and false.
November 25, 200718 yr No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. I'm talking about the system as is, it is the only system we have and it is the one to decide who plays for a national championship. To talk about any other system or metric, is pointless. I want the two teams who best earned a shot at a National Championship to play in one. Right now that is Missouri and West Virginia/Ohio State. If Mizzou or WV loses, Ohio State SHOULD be in. I don't even get the debate. I'm glad in the Junior Power Rankings of Awesome? Georgia and USC should play for the National Championship but again, that means nothing in this conversation. Also, saying West Virginia would beat Ohio State, etc. is again, meaningless. Earning a spot in the championship and your chances of winning are totally separate. Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that? Let's try this one more time. I said that if Mizzou loses Ohio State should be in under the current BCS system. And I never said Georgia and USC should be playing for the National Championship. Then I have no idea why you feel the need to continue to slam OSU. I guess it makes you feel good or something. Interesting that Illinois win over OSU by 7 points, including a false touchdown, was a big enough deal to have you write celebratory posts and acknowledge the win with a picture in your signature. OSU isn't very good I thought? Also, congratulations on your ducking of the schedule issue that was the main point of your argument against OSU. What a brilliant discussion. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK. Tressel could have challenged that "false touchdown" at any time before the snap, and maybe the "false touchdown" wouldn't have mattered if the best defense in the land could get off the field and Boeckmen wasn't busy slinging interceptions. Ohio State was the undefeated #1 team at the country at that time, hadn't lost a regular season game in like 2 years, and hadn't lost a home game in conference at home in god knows how long. You're right, nothing to be excited about. And I GUESS saying I don't think OSU is that good is "slamming" them. It's not like I'm going OMG DEY SUCK!!!!!!!111. I'm really talking about the system more then I am OSU. Although according to you talking about the BCS system is not allowed. He didnt say it was nothing to be excited about, your previous posts would lead other people to believe that maybe it should be something to be so excited about.
November 25, 200718 yr Author Beef, it is much easier to make up what I said to construct your post then actually read and comprehend what I really did type and respond to it. Get with it.
November 25, 200718 yr http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3127002 Tebow breaks his hand in the 3rd quarter and he still kicks our ass.
November 25, 200718 yr Beef, it is much easier to make up what I said to construct your post then actually read and comprehend what I really did type and respond to it. Get with it. I was out of line.
November 25, 200718 yr No comment on the 3 wins versus Sagarin top 30 teams after you said who have they beaten that is worth a damn? Your opinion on whether or not they are good has zero to do with the discussion we were having and the legitimacy of them playing in a National Championship Game. It doesn't? Don't you want the best teams in the country playng for the National Championship? Ohio State couln't stop Illinois' spread option offense, I can't wait to see what WVU does. The two best teams in the country right now are Georgia and USC. In an 8 team playoff, they would get a chance to show it. I'm talking about the system as is, it is the only system we have and it is the one to decide who plays for a national championship. To talk about any other system or metric, is pointless. I want the two teams who best earned a shot at a National Championship to play in one. Right now that is Missouri and West Virginia/Ohio State. If Mizzou or WV loses, Ohio State SHOULD be in. I don't even get the debate. I'm glad in the Junior Power Rankings of Awesome? Georgia and USC should play for the National Championship but again, that means nothing in this conversation. Also, saying West Virginia would beat Ohio State, etc. is again, meaningless. Earning a spot in the championship and your chances of winning are totally separate. Again, are you going to address me proving the 'Who have they beat that is worth a damn?' theorem wrong or are you just going to duck that? Let's try this one more time. I said that if Mizzou loses Ohio State should be in under the current BCS system. And I never said Georgia and USC should be playing for the National Championship. Then I have no idea why you feel the need to continue to slam OSU. I guess it makes you feel good or something. Interesting that Illinois win over OSU by 7 points, including a false touchdown, was a big enough deal to have you write celebratory posts and acknowledge the win with a picture in your signature. OSU isn't very good I thought? Also, congratulations on your ducking of the schedule issue that was the main point of your argument against OSU. What a brilliant discussion. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK. Tressel could have challenged that "false touchdown" at any time before the snap, and maybe the "false touchdown" wouldn't have mattered if the best defense in the land could get off the field and Boeckmen wasn't busy slinging interceptions. Ohio State was the undefeated #1 team at the country at that time, hadn't lost a regular season game in like 2 years, and hadn't lost a home game in conference at home in god knows how long. You're right, nothing to be excited about. And I GUESS saying I don't think OSU is that good is "slamming" them. It's not like I'm going OMG DEY SUCK!!!!!!!111. I'm really talking about the system more then I am OSU. Although according to you talking about the BCS system is not allowed. No he couldn't have, the play was ruled dead. Doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call. Illinois won though, I won't take anything away from them. Ohio State had plenty of shots and didn't do it. They lost. Next play. I was just curious as to why you were happy if they 'aren't that good'. Doesn't say a whole lot about Illinois this year if they only beat them by a TD. Curious. You're backing off your original point. You said OSU didn't belong. Also, I never said talking about the BCS 'isn't allowed' (never said this) I said talking about the problems with the system and using them to slam OSU's legitimacy was unfair and false. Maybe I was a bit strong with my point about them "not belonging", that's not what I meant. OSU is a good team. They lost one game and won the Big 10. If they were not good they wouldn't have done it. I just really do not think they are a National Championship level team. Why do you even care what other people said? It doesn't matter. If Mizzou loses OSU goes and plays for the National Championship. What other people say really doesn't matter. If they are go on to beat WVU, they will be the Champs. It's that simple. I think discussions like these show how bad the collgege football system is though. In all other sports, it would be played out on the field.
November 25, 200718 yr Author That is fine, I took exception to the 'biggest joke of all-time' line though. I also take exception, in a general sense not towards you, how Ohio State takes so much sh*t for that one game last year which in the media has defined OSU's ability and strength for the next 50 years and how they take more sh*t than anyone this year despite EVERYONE losing and losing more than them. When personal opinion actually has a say in who plays for what, I do take exception to perception and myth that is taken as fact and reason (See: Southeastern Conference, Louisiana State University Football) Does what you say have any bearing on what will actually happen? Of course not, but this is a message board and a place for discussion, and I will continue to use it that way.
November 25, 200718 yr That is fine, I took exception to the 'biggest joke of all-time' line though. I also take exception, in a general sense not towards you, how Ohio State takes so much sh*t for that one game last year which in the media has defined OSU's ability and strength for the next 50 years and how they take more sh*t than anyone this year despite EVERYONE losing and losing more than them. When personal opinion actually has a say in who plays for what, I do take exception to perception and myth that is taken as fact and reason (See: Southeastern Conference, Louisiana State University Football) Does what you say have any bearing on what will actually happen? Of course not, but this is a message board and a place for discussion, and I will continue to use it that way. Exactly, somebody (I dont think it was on here) recently made the point of UFs championship game matchup with Nebraska and their 62-24 loss. Based on that, is it fair to say that the Big 12 is and was better than the SEC for all the years that followed? That Florida should not have been allowed two opportunities after that game to play for a National Championship despite having a loss each time? It only works in one direction?
November 26, 200718 yr Man, if Mizzou loses and Ohio State slips into the MNC, they to me at this point in the season are a lot like UF last year. Both worked their way up to the #1/#2 spot before losing a disappointing game, both sneak in at the last second to play for the title because another team lost, both hearing that they would get killed if they were to play for said title. With the way this season is going, I wouldn't be surprised if OSU whooped the team they were supposed to get blown out by if they were to play for the championship.
November 26, 200718 yr I don't think Ohio State is very good, but if Lady Luck is on their side this weekend, they will have deserved to make it in and I got no problem with that.
November 26, 200718 yr http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3127002 Tebow breaks his hand in the 3rd quarter and he still kicks our ass. I wonder if Gator fan is making up Tim Tebow Facts yet... :mischief
November 26, 200718 yr Author Roof is gone. Had to happen the way the season progressed. Now I can't wait for a laughably quick coaching search by Alleva that will consist of mediocre coordinators at mid-level schools.
November 26, 200718 yr i'm gonna throw it out there because the rumblings happening here but Coach Clawson from Richmond to Duke
November 26, 200718 yr 2pm press conferences in duke and Georgia Tech today. Chan Gailey will be fired according to ESPN. I don't like it because Jimbo Fisher is close friends with GT's AD.
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