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Uggla vs. Utley

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Unfortunately for Hanley the all-star game is played in mid JUly and the selection process is over by early July. If the game was played after the seaosn then he would have belonged but because of when the game is played and when the players are selected, Hanley didn't belong either year.

Run that by me again? He didn't belong in 2007?

 

Renteria, Reyes and Hardy belonged over Hanley. I know you're ignoring defense as if it doesn't matter but it does matter and last year Hanley was the worst defensive SS in MLB and if I remember corectly Hanley also stunk it up with RISP the first half while Hardy was very good at it. These are the overall numbers as of 6/29. Given that Hanley sucked with the glove and sucked with RISP, he didn't belong over any of these three other guys

 

Hanley - .897

Renteria - .886

Hardy - .845

Reyes - .858

 

 

 

 

...and Hanley's offense still outweighed his poor defense...if you check "Win Shares" for SS's in MLB last year...Hanley led ALL SS's. That takes both offense AND defense, into account.

Unfortunately for Hanley the all-star game is played in mid JUly and the selection process is over by early July. If the game was played after the seaosn then he would have belonged but because of when the game is played and when the players are selected, Hanley didn't belong either year.

Run that by me again? He didn't belong in 2007?

 

Renteria, Reyes and Hardy belonged over Hanley. I know you're ignoring defense as if it doesn't matter but it does matter and last year Hanley was the worst defensive SS in MLB and if I remember corectly Hanley also stunk it up with RISP the first half while Hardy was very good at it. These are the overall numbers as of 6/29. Given that Hanley sucked with the glove and sucked with RISP, he didn't belong over any of these three other guys

 

Hanley - .897

Renteria - .886

Hardy - .845

Reyes - .858

 

 

 

 

...and Hanley's offense still outweighed his poor defense...if you check "Win Shares" for SS's in MLB last year...Hanley led ALL SS's. That takes both offense AND defense, into account.

 

The debate here is whether Hanley was unfairly left off the all-star team. Per Rab, the all-star votign ended on June 29th. Assuming the "Win Shares" formula is correct (gigantic assumption), the relevant Win Shares numbers would be the ones on June 29th, not the ones at the end of the season. What were the Win Shares numbers on June 29th?

That's all well and good, but none of those guys are gold glove caliber defenders either, so Hanley's advantage offensively more than makes up for it.

 

And defense has nothing to do with ASG selection. It's popularity with the fans, try represent each team as best as possible, and manager's favorites. If you are right, then Hanley will go down as the only player to ever be the best hitter at his position and be left off because of defense. He was left off because he wasn't as well known.

They were all better with the glove than Hanley and Reyes was faaaar better than Hanley. Also, as mentioned earlier, Hanley's first half RISP numbers stunk last year. That matters. Regarding whether voters (fans and players) take defense into account, I'm sure some do and some don't but in determining whether a guy was passed over, defense should be considered.

Unfortunately for Hanley the all-star game is played in mid JUly and the selection process is over by early July. If the game was played after the seaosn then he would have belonged but because of when the game is played and when the players are selected, Hanley didn't belong either year.

Run that by me again? He didn't belong in 2007?

 

Renteria, Reyes and Hardy belonged over Hanley. I know you're ignoring defense as if it doesn't matter but it does matter and last year Hanley was the worst defensive SS in MLB and if I remember corectly Hanley also stunk it up with RISP the first half while Hardy was very good at it. These are the overall numbers as of 6/29. Given that Hanley sucked with the glove and sucked with RISP, he didn't belong over any of these three other guys

 

Hanley - .897

Renteria - .886

Hardy - .845

Reyes - .858

 

 

 

 

...and Hanley's offense still outweighed his poor defense...if you check "Win Shares" for SS's in MLB last year...Hanley led ALL SS's. That takes both offense AND defense, into account.

 

The debate here is whether Hanley was unfairly left off the all-star team. Per Rab, the all-star votign ended on June 29th. Assuming the "Win Shares" formula is correct (gigantic assumption), the relevant Win Shares numbers would be the ones on June 29th, not the ones at the end of the season. What were the Win Shares numbers on June 29th?

 

 

I can't really find an answer to your question, there...but fact of the matter is, NY players have an advantage when it comes to starting the "overrated popularity" Game, in July.

quick people vote uggla ovr utley

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2008/ballot_reg.html

 

uggla keeps this up he should start but 3/4 of the country dosent kno his name

 

Im voting for Uggla, Hanley, and Jacobs, being most deserving. There may be better options... but of the Marlins Im sayin.

 

I don't think Jake is going to beat out Berkman(insane) or Pujols, and DLee and Adrian Gonzalez have better BAs with similar power #s.

And yet Uggla will not start the AS game.

 

Uggla should win allsatr game votes

he has better ba more hr and rbi's than utley also higher obp and a way higher slugpct

 

as for hanley jesus chist wat happened that contract went to his head droped avg 40 points to 298

 

jacobs monster vs lefty and righty but injured frequently but defense is solid

 

cant-u enought said

 

rabello needs to just batt right cuz hes battin 200 lefty nd 325 righty

 

hammer- having good year but hes injured

 

alfredo- well hes fast

 

cody ross- needs to hav an uggla like streak to help that avg

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