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It's pretty clear that as long as Kevin Gregg STAYS here, he'll be the closer.

The main problem right now seems to be the setup role.

 

As of right now, Freddi has tried young guys like Lindstrom and Kensing...both those guys have been pitching pretty attrociously as of late though.

 

For some reason, Pinto is being used more in the 7th...and sometimes used to get an out or 2 in the 8th.

 

Miller was never really used in crucial spots this year, aside from a couple outings at the beginning of the year...not that he has earned a spot, this year.

 

That leaves Joe Nelson.

Joe Nelson = primary RH setup guy, for now?

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Eh, the use of a setup guy is overrated in a bullpen like ours, where all the pitchers are kind of evenly matched. I say we just keep doing the 6-7-8th by committee.

 

But if I had to pick one guy, right now, I would go with Nelson.

 

But just to show how that goes, I would have gone with Pinto a few weeks ago. And Logan before that. And Miller as the season started.

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Eh, the use of a setup guy is overrated in a bullpen like ours, where all the pitchers are kind of evenly matched. I say we just keep doing the 6-7-8th by committee.

 

But if I had to pick one guy, right now, I would go with Nelson.

 

But just to show how that goes, I would have gone with Pinto a few weeks ago. And Logan before that. And Miller as the season started.

 

 

Yeah...true.

But I think there should be some consistency sooner or later.

Having roles makes everyone better, imo.

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I'd leave Nolasco / Miller / Olsen in for an extra inning when they are under 100 pitches rather than reflexively pull them after 5, then I'd ride the 3 headed monster of Pinto, Nelson, and Waechter for the 1-2 innings as needed.

 

I'd use Kensing and Miller as the guys to fill in the 6th when needed and Lindstrom's fireballing immediately after one of the soft-tossers gets into trouble.

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Having roles makes everyone better, imo.

 

I realize it's your opinion, so Im not saying you're wrong, but I disagree, and here's why:

 

In our case, any pitcher has to be ready to pitch essentially at any time...

 

If you put them in roles, it kind of throws off that ability to go out and pitch like they do...

 

I'll put it this way, our guys could go pitch in any bullpen in the league much easier than any other guys could come into our bullpen and pitch

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Having roles makes everyone better, imo.

 

 

 

I'll put it this way, our guys could go pitch in any bullpen in the league much easier than any other guys could come into our bullpen and pitch

 

I'm not sure if I comprehended that.

Are you trying to say our guys could pitch for any bullpen b/c they're ready for any situation?

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Having roles makes everyone better, imo.

 

 

 

I'll put it this way, our guys could go pitch in any bullpen in the league much easier than any other guys could come into our bullpen and pitch

 

I'm not sure if I comprehended that.

Are you trying to say our guys could pitch for any bullpen b/c they're ready for any situation?

 

Pretty much, It's my opinion that because they're so used to being without roles that transitioning to roles and more or less having a schedule would be easier ... I guess they're more versatile, pitching versions of Amezaga...

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Having roles makes everyone better, imo.

 

 

 

I'll put it this way, our guys could go pitch in any bullpen in the league much easier than any other guys could come into our bullpen and pitch

 

I'm not sure if I comprehended that.

Are you trying to say our guys could pitch for any bullpen b/c they're ready for any situation?

 

Pretty much, It's my opinion that because they're so used to being without roles that transitioning to roles and more or less having a schedule would be easier ... I guess they're more versatile, pitching versions of Amezaga...

 

 

That's the thing though...some of our guys CAN be versatile (Pinto, Waechter, and even Kensing)...I believe those guys can handle certain pressure (pitching with leads, etc.), as well as give multiple innings...but guys like Miller and Lindstrom are different, I'd say.

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Having roles makes everyone better, imo.

 

 

 

I'll put it this way, our guys could go pitch in any bullpen in the league much easier than any other guys could come into our bullpen and pitch

 

I'm not sure if I comprehended that.

Are you trying to say our guys could pitch for any bullpen b/c they're ready for any situation?

 

Pretty much, It's my opinion that because they're so used to being without roles that transitioning to roles and more or less having a schedule would be easier ... I guess they're more versatile, pitching versions of Amezaga...

 

 

That's the thing though...some of our guys CAN be versatile (Pinto, Waechter, and even Kensing)...I believe those guys can handle certain pressure (pitching with leads, etc.), as well as give multiple innings...but guys like Miller and Lindstrom are different, I'd say.

 

Im not just talking about the multiple innings vs short innings role, I'm also talking about having the ability to pitch the 6th, 7th, 8th or 9th innings, which most analysts treat as completely different environments (though I do disagree with that, but that's another can of worms) any pitcher on our roster can pitch any of those innings, whereas a guy like Okajima in Boston may be "out of his element" pitching in the 6th, because he's typically the stereotypical 8th inning setup guy

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Here's how I see our bullpen:

 

-Logan Kensing: Middle relief

-Renyel Pinto: Middle/short relief, possible setup

-Joe Nelson: Short relief so far

-Burke Badenhop: Long relief/spot starter

-Doug Waechter: Long relief

-Kevin Gregg: Closer

-Justin Miller: Who knows?

-Matt Lindstrom: Middle/short relief, possible setup if he gets one of those other pitches working besides the fastball

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In the same vein, I think Tankersley fell victim to the "specialist reliever" mentality. Here's a guy who was more effective in college as a starter than a reliever, pitches pretty well against right-handed batters but gets pidgeon-holed as a lefty-specialist. Why limit him to facing one or two hitters when the the entire bullpen is racking up innings like crazy? (I hope in Albuquerque he gets some more work than just spot relief.)

 

I think it's a kind of cookbook managing that some teams fall into. They define the roles and then try to get guys to fit into it. The problem is if you don't have the right personnnel its not going to work. So then you have to change what you do.

 

I don't think "roles" are necessarily a bad thing but I think you have to let the players show you what role they are best suited for, rather than trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

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i would go with one and stick with one.

i dont believe in not having people with roles because

if your always woundering whos going to comeout today

its going to lead to failure you need to put people in roles and becoem role players

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