Dallas Trahern got his second start of the year and wasnt as sharp as in his first. Here is his line:

 

5 IP 8 H (3 Doubles) 4 ER 3 K 0 BB ERA now 5.91

70 Pitches/51 Strikes

7 Groundouts/5 Flyouts

 

He also allowed two stolen bases

Standridge gives up 4ER in 0.2 IP and C. Martinez 1 ER in 0.1 IP

 

Final score

Nashville 9 Z's 0

Trahern gets the Loss.

Showed good control atleast, 0 walks and lots of strikes.

Yeah, I talked to his dad who was at the game. Said they just hit him tonight. Tough facing the same team in back to back starts. Also gave up three doubles tonight.

70 pitches & 51 strikes is always a good sign.

Actually a little bit better than what I have come to expect from Trahern.

Actually a little bit better than what I have come to expect from Trahern.

 

Now don't get "trahernsfriend" all worked up haha

By the way, I really appreciate these updates, tf.

If you could add in highlights at the plate too, that'd be awesome.

Actually a little bit better than what I have come to expect from Trahern.

 

Now don't get "trahernsfriend" all worked up haha

Nothing personal and that wasnt what I was going for. I just dont think Trahern is all that good and for better or for worst he is the kind of pitcher you expect mediocre performances from.

Msytickol,

 

I'd be glad to! That is a great idea. Werent really any batting stars last night. Tough night at the plate. Jai Miller had a double but it was his only hit.

 

Spike,

 

I understand Dallas had a bad year last year. But I do like to point out two facts about last year. First he was in Albuquerque and second, he pitched the entire year with an open cut on his pitching thumb. He worked with Team USA manager/ORU head coach Rob Walton in the off season and changed his grip so this would no longer be a problem.

 

He was the #1 starter every year in the Tigers organization in front of Jair Jurggens who is the Braves #2 starter. If he was still with the Tigers he would be in the bigs right now. Last year really set him back. But I know that not only the Marlins are high on him (which is why they protected him on the 40 man roster) but other teams like him as well. Even last year there were two teams who inquired about trading for him during the season last year.

 

He lead the Eastern League in Complete games (3), Innings Pitched (162.2).

He was top 10 in ERA among Starters

Tied for 3rd in wins

 

Just curious are you forming your opinion based on last year only or have to followed his career

Followed his career and I just generally dont like sinker ballers. While the sinker itself might be a decent pitch, the rest of their repertoires are usually just crap.

 

Trahern's stuff and overall career are neither one overly impressive. They protected him on the 40 man because our good pitching is for the most part just touching AA or are in the low minors, Trahern is what, 23 or 24 and could be needed to be an emergency fill in at the MLB level. That is the reason he is on the 40 man, not because the Marlins are enamored with him.

Actually a little bit better than what I have come to expect from Trahern.

 

Now don't get "trahernsfriend" all worked up haha

Nothing personal and that wasnt what I was going for. I just dont think Trahern is all that good and for better or for worst he is the kind of pitcher you expect mediocre performances from.

 

I didn't think you were going for anything personal. I just know that if someone criticizes Trahern, "trahernsfriend" is going to come defend his boy. Just teasing a bit.

Thats fair, and thats my point. He isnt capable of looking at Trahern objectively.

Good maybe the Marlins will trade him away to a team who can use him

Thats fair, and thats my point. He isnt capable of looking at Trahern objectively.

 

I disagree. Compared to, say, Marlins1 he's pretty subjective.

Anyone is compared to Marlin1. If you ask Marlin1, they are already clearing space in Cooperstown for Gaby Sanchez.

 

Good maybe the Marlins will trade him away to a team who can use him

Not sure what the market is for pitchers whos best pitch is an average sinker, puts too many runners on base, and averages under 6ip/start for his career.

Anyone is compared to Marlin1. If you ask Marlin1, they are already clearing space in Cooperstown for Gaby Sanchez.

 

Good maybe the Marlins will trade him away to a team who can use him

Not sure what the market is for pitchers whos best pitch is an average sinker, puts too many runners on base, and averages under 6ip/start for his career.

 

 

you know it : :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

 

hey I have a copy cat " MiamiMarlins1"

Anyone is compared to Marlin1. If you ask Marlin1, they are already clearing space in Cooperstown for Gaby Sanchez.

 

Good maybe the Marlins will trade him away to a team who can use him

Not sure what the market is for pitchers whos best pitch is an average sinker, puts too many runners on base, and averages under 6ip/start for his career.

 

2008 116.0 in 22 starts [5.2 Innings per start]

2007 162.2 in 26 starts [6.2 Innings Per start] (led league in complete games)

2006 144.2 in 25 starts [6.0 Innings Per Start] (led league in complete games)

2005 156.0 in 26 starts [6.0 Innings Per Start] (2nd in league in complete games)

 

Sorry Spike he averages 6 Innings per start

 

Average sinker? Says who? Just because his sinker wouldnt work in Albuquerque?

 

Something tells me you are just one of those internet tough guys who likes to argue. I'll let Dallas let his play prove you wrong. Something tells me you wont be man enough to come back and admit you were wrong.

You realize your math is wrong for 2006, unless you are rounding up? Either way, for his career, he is under 6 ip/start. I have always been under the impression that Trahern's repertoire is average at best across the board. You also like to bring up him playing in Albuquerque as a reason his stuff wouldnt work...if his stuff was what you say it was it should of negated that thin air since he is a groundball pitcher. Either way, he is off to another crappy start this year, putting a ton of runners on base and letting them score, and I hate to tell you there isnt much elevation in Nashville and especially not in New Orleans.

 

Either way, your boy isnt as good as you desperately want to think he is. He is an average/mediocre prospect, and way down the list in the Marlins system as far arms go. His upside is limited, experience is about the only thing he has on the other pitchers.

 

Quit trying to force feed a pitcher who has had no success whatsoever as a Marlin farm hand(and despite what you say was pretty meh in Detroit as well) down our throats and quit getting so damn hot and bothered when anyone dares talk objectively about Trahern. Fact of the matter is, if he does get called up to the show and pitches like he has so far this year so far and how he did last year, his stay would be extremely short and painful to watch.

You realize your math is wrong for 2006, unless you are rounding up? Either way, for his career, he is under 6 ip/start. I have always been under the impression that Trahern's repertoire is average at best across the board. You also like to bring up him playing in Albuquerque as a reason his stuff wouldnt work...if his stuff was what you say it was it should of negated that thin air since he is a groundball pitcher. Either way, he is off to another crappy start this year, putting a ton of runners on base and letting them score, and I hate to tell you there isnt much elevation in Nashville and especially not in New Orleans.

 

Either way, your boy isnt as good as you desperately want to think he is. He is an average/mediocre prospect, and way down the list in the Marlins system as far arms go. His upside is limited, experience is about the only thing he has on the other pitchers.

 

Quit trying to force feed a pitcher who has had no success whatsoever as a Marlin farm hand(and despite what you say was pretty meh in Detroit as well) down our throats and quit getting so damn hot and bothered when anyone dares talk objectively about Trahern. Fact of the matter is, if he does get called up to the show and pitches like he has so far this year so far and how he did last year, his stay would be extremely short and painful to watch.

 

I'm not going to argue your baseball points because I don't really know much about the relevant topics.

I will argue your words and your tone, however. I mean, why is the bolded part necessary? He's not trying to force feed anything. He updates us every night on the pitching performances in AAA. He didn't make any excuses for DT's performance in this game. He merely reported it.

And he was perfectly reasonable when saying he just likes to "point out" 2 things about DT's resume and then asking you what your thoughts are. You are appearing as if you had made up your mind to get mad at him from the start.

He hasn't gotten hot and bothered at all. By the time he said that you are an internet tough guy, he wasn't unwarranted.

Spike my responses within your post in bold. (Only using bold to differentiate my post from yours.

 

You realize your math is wrong for 2006, unless you are rounding up? Either way, for his career, he is under 6 ip/start. Not sure how you think my math is wrong. I was taught in the 3rd grade that when a number was 5.5 or higher you rounded it up. Add to that, baseball is done in 3rd's not 10ths and you have to round up. In 2008 he pitched 5.272727272.. IPG. Technically that would be rounded up to 5.3 which anyone who knows anything about baseball would know that means 6 IP. In 2007 it was 6.238 which again in baseball would be seen as 6.2 IPG. In 2006 5.768 which again would round up to 6IP. In 2005, it is 6IP on the nose. So yes I think I am right in this. Also go to my previous post and then go to the league stats from the years he pitched in those leagues. In every one of them there are current Major Leaguers who were behind him in IP.

 

I have always been under the impression that Trahern's repertoire is average at best across the board. The impression. So what you are saying is you have never seen him pitch and you trust bloggers to form your opinion. Dallas was a USAtoday High school all American. He was a 5 tool player at shortstop coming out of high school. Had it not been for a college coach filling a Scouts ear with a bunch of lies about signability Dallas would have been drafted in the supplemental first round by another team. THE SCOUT HIMSELF TOLD ME THIS right after Dallas signed with the Tigers. He was hacked off because the College coach had told him Dallas was going to OU no matter when he was drafted. He has six pitches that he can throw and at least three if not four are seen as plus pitches by Scouts I know in the game.

 

You also like to bring up him playing in Albuquerque as a reason his stuff wouldnt work...if his stuff was what you say it was it should of negated that thin air since he is a groundball pitcher. No a sinker doesnt sink in high altitude according to the people I have talked to. Either way, he is off to another crappy start this year, putting a ton of runners on base and letting them score, and I hate to tell you there isnt much elevation in Nashville and especially not in New Orleans. Off to a crappy start? He's tied for 13th in the league in Innings pitched. He has the best ERA of the Z's starters (including Tucker and Badenhop who pitched for the Marlins last year) He's got the best WHIP of the Z's starters. I will send you a private message regarding another tidbit you should be aware of but I dont feel comfortable posting on the internet.

 

Either way, your boy isnt as good as you desperately want to think he is. He is an average/mediocre prospect, and way down the list in the Marlins system as far arms go. His upside is limited, experience is about the only thing he has on the other pitchers. You are entitled to your opinion I just happen to know that you are dead wrong on what the Marlins, and other teams for that matter, think of Dallas and his upside.

 

Quit trying to force feed a pitcher who has had no success whatsoever as a Marlin farm hand(and despite what you say was pretty meh in Detroit as well) down our throats and quit getting so damn hot and bothered when anyone dares talk objectively about Trahern. Fact of the matter is, if he does get called up to the show and pitches like he has so far this year so far and how he did last year, his stay would be extremely short and painful to watch. Im not force feeding him down your throat. Ive got a whopping 144 posts on this site. I'm not hot and bothered lol, only my wife can do that to me! I dont need you to agree with me, I know that Dallas is a very good pitcher and will be successful, on and off the baseball field.

You started a thread called "Trahern is not immune", which implies that Trahern has been good as a Marlins farm hand, and that a bad game is an aberration, which isnt the case...he has been beyond awful since he came over and games like he had are pretty run of the mill.

 

As for the New Orleans pitching staff, its pretty bad. Tucker is the only one there that really has a legitimate shot to do anything at the MLB level(and Sinkbeil to a lesser extent), and it will most likely be as relievers.

Not sure how you think my math is wrong. I was taught in the 3rd grade that when a number was 5.5 or higher you rounded it up. Add to that, baseball is done in 3rd's not 10ths and you have to round up. In 2008 he pitched 5.272727272.. IPG. Technically that would be rounded up to 5.3 which anyone who knows anything about baseball would know that means 6 IP. In 2007 it was 6.238 which again in baseball would be seen as 6.2 IPG. In 2006 5.768 which again would round up to 6IP. In 2005, it is 6IP on the nose. So yes I think I am right in this. Also go to my previous post and then go to the league stats from the years he pitched in those leagues. In every one of them there are current Major Leaguers who were behind him in IP.

 

In regards to this, you have to remember that there's 5 1/3rd inning, 5 2/3rd innigns. So in 2008 where he had 5.3 innings, that'd be an average of 5 1/3rd IP pitched. In 2007, it'd be 6 1/3rd. 2006 would be 5 2/3rd.

You started a thread called "Trahern is not immune", which implies that Trahern has been good as a Marlins farm hand, and that a bad game is an aberration, which isnt the case...he has been beyond awful since he came over and games like he had are pretty run of the mill.

 

As for the New Orleans pitching staff, its pretty bad. Tucker is the only one there that really has a legitimate shot to do anything at the MLB level(and Sinkbeil to a lesser extent), and it will most likely be as relievers.

 

lol, I had done a game recap for every game thus year. Tucker had two bad starts, Sinkbiels first start was bad, Badenhop's 2nd start was bad, and Barone's first start was bad. That is what I meant by the title. Im sorry you read more into the title of the thread than was intended.