Posted May 29, 200915 yr No firesale but this team needs a change. The pitching staff of Johnson, Volstad, Miller, West, and Nolasco should remain intact but we need to change and trade some parts on offense. First, time to trade both Dan Uggla and Jeremy Hermida. I would much rather see this 2nd Half Lineup.... 1) John Raynor (LF) 2) Chris Coghlan (2B) 3) Hanley Ramirez (SS) 4) Jorge Cantu (1B) 5) Cody Ross (RF) 6) Gaby Sanchez (3B) 7) Cameron Maybin (CF) 8) John Baker © I would love to see this lineup. 1) Raynor has hit everywhere he's been (.300) and this spring. He's a 10x smarter runner than Bonifacio. 2) Coghlan will continue to improve and take over 2nd. 3) Hanley continues to be a beast. 4) Cantu continues to get RBIs 5) Ross will become one of our best 2nd half hitters. 6) Gaby will get his shot and has a good eye at the plate. 7) Maybin gets recalled and doesn't have to bat 8th. He sees better pitches and hits .275 8) Baker will be our best #8 hitter because he's smart!
May 29, 200915 yr lets do it and then revisit this thread when Raynor Coghlan Sanchez and Maybin experience growing pains all at the same time... this is silly... youre just plugging in our prospects and hoping they all blossom at the same time... thats not reality in baseball
May 29, 200915 yr Author No sarcasm here. Trade Uggla ASAP while he has ANY value left at all. Uggla probably will never hit over .250 again. He hasn't been good since last all star break. One could argue that Coghlan ALREADY has better ABs than Uggla. Hermida will never develop into the player they thought he would. He's tentative on defense and he's going to be a career .270 hitter and 4th outfielder like Mark Kotsay. We might as well bring the stopgap up Raynor until Stanton is ready.
May 29, 200915 yr Author This isn't silly. Bonifacio is a rookie and he sucks. Time for other people to get a chance. I guarantee the Marlins will trade Uggla at the all star break. If they don't, he will end up like Josh Willingham- used goods. Right now, we can at least get 1 good prospect for Uggs. By next year, maybe not!
May 29, 200915 yr This isn't silly. Bonifacio is a rookie and he sucks. Time for other people to get a chance. I guarantee the Marlins will trade Uggla at the all star break. If they don't, he will end up like Josh Willingham- used goods. Right now, we can at least get 1 good prospect for Uggs. By next year, maybe not! Bonifacio isn't a rookie.
May 29, 200915 yr No sarcasm here. Trade Uggla ASAP while he has ANY value left at all. Uggla probably will never hit over .250 again. He hasn't been good since last all star break. One could argue that Coghlan ALREADY has better ABs than Uggla. Hermida will never develop into the player they thought he would. He's tentative on defense and he's going to be a career .270 hitter and 4th outfielder like Mark Kotsay. We might as well bring the stopgap up Raynor until Stanton is ready. Uggla is still in his prime, and is more likely than not to hit .250 this season. Average doesn't matter that much though, as long as he keeps putting up an OPS in the .800s. No one is arguing that Coghlan is having better swings than Uggla right now, nor should they. Hermida might not develop into the all-star that many of us thought he would, but he's still only 25 years old, and can be a solid outfielder for years to come. Saying that he can only be a 4th outfielder at best is a big stretch.
May 29, 200915 yr Author Bonifacio might as well be a rookie. When Sanchez is healthy, he will replace him because he's much better. Raynor is not a huge downgrade from Hermida. He's smarter and faster. Hermida only has 18 RBI's. He will never be a good hitter. Too bad it's too late for us to get anything for him. Hopefully we move faster with Uggla than we did with Hermida. People don't realize that the future is Maybin, Stanton, Morrison, Dominguez, and maybe Skipworth (who is overrated everytime I've watched him play)...... It's time to see what the stopgaps Raynor and Gaby Sanchez have to offer. We aren't going anywhere with this team (Hermida, Bonifacio, Uggla all BAD hitters). Time to look toward the future.
May 29, 200915 yr I love that the guy with a .333 OBP/.713 OPS in AAA is going to get the most ABs. Raynor is not very good. And that the guy with the 2nd highest OPS on the team is hitting 8th. And that Gaby Sanchez is playing third lol That would make us significantly worse.
May 29, 200915 yr Author Fish Dynasty, I disagree with you. Uggla is not in his prime anymore. He has peaked. Who cares about his age...he has digressed a full season now. He's a hacker who costs too much money and will not be here in the future so it's time to trade him now while his value has anything left. It's appartent to everyone now that Hermida is not in this team's long term plans. We have Maybin, Stanton, and Morrison.
May 30, 200915 yr It's time to revisit REALITY LAND! regarding Hermida... Hmm, well said indeed.. if you guys have never watched baseball a day in your collective lives. :thumbup Now, in reality land... Jeremy Hermida is OPSing .835 with guys on base... (batting .275 for those into that sort of thing, but OPS is better) In reality land, Jeremy Hermida is batting over .300 with 2 outs... and OPSing over .900 In reality land, in "late and close" Hermida is OPSing .955 and batting .292, again, if you're into that sort of thing... (Late & Close are PA in the 7th or later with the batting team tied, ahead by one, or the tying run at least on deck.) In reality land, Hermida is OPSing over .900 in "high leverage" situations In reality land, Hermida has been average defensively in RF for almost the entirety of his career (through +/-) and is switching to an easier position in LF. Meaning he'll be, at worst, average... and he's only -1 this year... which isn't super-ultra-mega-terrible. So, I'll keep watching baseball in reality land! Now, this is kinda old, but I'm sure it's still accurate Let me add the caveat that I am potentially intrigued by the idea of moving Hermida at the deadline if something interesting presents itself.
May 30, 200915 yr So you want to give up on the year even though we are 5 games out of 1st place in May? That is one bad thing that can manifest being a Marlins fan, being too quick too enamored with prospects. If the Marlins are out of it, yeah, uggla and hermida (and Cantu and Cody) are trade candidates. Only one of Cody/Hermida will be back next year as, maybe neither, as Logan likely takes over LF. Only one of Cantu/Uggla, maybe neither, as Gaby Sanchez, Chris Coghlan, and (sadly) Bonifacio can round out 1b/2b/3b. But it's May and we are 5 games from first place. John Raynor is a 4th OFer. Gaby Sanchez is a first baseman. Maybin looks like he'll need the full year in AAA. And John Baker is not a #8 hitter.
May 30, 200915 yr So you want to give up on the year even though we are 5 games out of 1st place in May? That is one bad thing that can manifest being a Marlins fan, being too quick too enamored with prospects. If the Marlins are out of it, yeah, uggla and hermida (and Cantu and Cody) are trade candidates. Only one of Cody/Hermida will be back next year, maybe neither, only one of Cantu/Uggla, maybe neither. But it's May and we are 5 games from first place. John Raynor is a 4th OFer. Gaby Sanchez is a first baseman. Maybin looks like he'll need the full year in AAA. And John Baker is not a #8 hitter. Haven't you heard? A great OBP guy needs to bat 8th, because it will help turn the lineup over.
May 30, 200915 yr Author John Baker is a #8 hitter on a championship team- not a number 6 hitter. Am I giving up on the season? NO! Look at this game! OUR OFFENSE SUCKS! Wake up...it's 1-0 with West pitching a gem. A) Bonifacio CAN NOT hit. He would be a .180-.190 hitter if not for speed. He's a bench player. B) Hermida is NOT in our future. Throw out all the OPS (overrated stat) numbers you want. Hermida has only 18 RBIs and only 4 homers. HE IS A DISAPPOINTMENT.....again!
May 30, 200915 yr John Baker is a #8 hitter on a championship team- not a number 6 hitter. Am I giving up on the season? NO! Look at this game! OUR OFFENSE SUCKS! Wake up...it's 1-0 with West pitching a gem. A) Bonifacio CAN NOT hit. He would be a .180-.190 hitter if not for speed. He's a bench player. B) Hermida is NOT in our future. Throw out all the OPS (overrated stat) numbers you want. Hermida has only 18 RBIs and only 4 homers. HE IS A DISAPPOINTMENT.....again! Baker is an outstanding #2 hitter on ANY team, Hermida happens to be just as capable A) Bonifacio is a below average hitter, and yes, he's probably very much destined to be Amezaga 2.0 B) Ouch, my sense of rationality/logic hurts
May 30, 200915 yr John Baker is a #8 hitter on a championship team- not a number 6 hitter. Am I giving up on the season? NO! Look at this game! OUR OFFENSE SUCKS! Wake up...it's 1-0 with West pitching a gem. A) Bonifacio CAN NOT hit. He would be a .180-.190 hitter if not for speed. He's a bench player. B) Hermida is NOT in our future. Throw out all the OPS (overrated stat) numbers you want. Hermida has only 18 RBIs and only 4 homers. HE IS A DISAPPOINTMENT.....again! So OPS is an overrated stat, yet RBIs is not. How is that?
May 30, 200915 yr Fish Dynasty, I disagree with you. Uggla is not in his prime anymore. He has peaked. Who cares about his age...he has digressed a full season now. He's a hacker who costs too much money and will not be here in the future so it's time to trade him now while his value has anything left. It's appartent to everyone now that Hermida is not in this team's long term plans. We have Maybin, Stanton, and Morrison. Uggla still has around 2-3 years before he starts majorly declining. He hasn't yet. I agree with you, I don't think Uggla is part part of the Marlin's future, which most people here would agree with, but he still has some value left.
May 30, 200915 yr and putting john raynor in the OF helps our offense? Rushing Maybin again helps our offense? And yes, John Baker is a top of the line up hitter on a championship team. .364 OBP, .852 OPS
May 30, 200915 yr Author I couldn't disagree with you more NNY. Baker (yes I like him) but he is over achieving. He will wear down in the 2nd half and become a .255-.260 hitter with 10-12 HR total. Most championship, even playoff rosters would bat him 8th.
May 30, 200915 yr Maybin has GB% of over 70 in AAA and not exactly impressive 0.37 BB/K Any talk of him being back this year right now is completely premature
May 30, 200915 yr I couldn't disagree with you more NNY. Baker (yes I like him) but he is over achieving. He will wear down in the 2nd half and become a .255-.260 hitter with 10-12 HR total. Most championship, even playoff rosters would bat him 8th. Funny, you also couldn't be more wrong, Baker's not likely to "wear down" that dramatically as he has a solid platoon partner in Paulino and srsly, again with the HR total? Not everyone needs to hit 25 HRs to be a viable lineup piece, catchers that get on base at .350+ rates are VERY valuable.
May 30, 200915 yr I couldn't disagree with you more NNY. Baker (yes I like him) but he is over achieving. He will wear down in the 2nd half and become a .255-.260 hitter with 10-12 HR total. Most championship, even playoff rosters would bat him 8th. Funny, you also couldn't be more wrong, Baker's not likely to "wear down" that dramatically as he has a solid platoon partner in Paulino and srsly, again with the HR total? Not everyone needs to hit 25 HRs to be a viable lineup piece, catchers that get on base at .350+ rates are VERY valuable. What are you talking about? Don't you remember how Castillo hit at the bottom of our lineup in 03, due to his lack of power? Eh, I've just been informed that didn't happen.
May 30, 200915 yr You realize Gaby Sanchez is laughably bad at 3B right, to the point he makes guys like Cantu look like Brooks Robinson? Hermida has been gang busters in the 2 hole. Raynor, a player I really like, has nonetheless been pretty bad at New Orleans until just recently. Among other things.
May 30, 200915 yr Author Spike couldn't be more wrong. Hermida had like 2 good games in the 2 hole then sucked the rest of the time which is why he moved down again. Hermida hasn't been gangbusters at anything except AA baseball when he walked 100 times. As for Raynor, he's batting leadoff and had one bad month. haha. What is he hitting in May? Like .400 something with good defense? He's up to .288 now. He'll easily be over .300 AGAIN and perhaps the best basestealer in our whole farm system (definately smartest as well).
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