Selected pitching stats to give an idea. A bit different than the hitter update as there are more pitchers, and less of a sample size as some of the RP throw 8 innings a month.

 

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NOLA (AAA)

 

Brett Sinkbeil RP

Season as Reliever - 30 IP, 3.90 era, 1.60 whip (33 H, 15 BB), 18 K, .289 BAA

 

Hayden Penn SP/RP

July - 22.1 IP, 7.66 era, 1.88 whip (31 H, 11 BB), 16 K, .337 BAA

 

Tim Wood RP

Season - 32.1 IP, 2.51 era, 1.36 whip (31 H, 13 BB), 28 K, .248 BAA

 

Andrew Miller SP

has been absolutely obliterated for 10 ER in 5.2 IP since being sent down.

 

Chris Mobley RP

Season - 41.2 IP, 3.24 era, 1.29 whip (47 H, 7 BB), 33 K, .283 BAA

 

So the quick wrap up. It’s looking like a real smart idea of putting Wood on the 40 man and protecting him from the Rule5 draft as he is turning in a quality season (whip is a little high, but whatever) between AAA/MLB levels. Penn is still horrific. Miller who the hell knows. And Mobley is an organizational favorite of mine. He probably won’t ever really see time with the Marlins as we have better RP prospects, but he has excellent control, decent GB rates (historically anyways), and could be a 4th or 5th righty out of the bullpen in a year or two. At least Sink is doing SOMETHING.

 

Jax (AA)

 

Aaron Thompson - Traded for Nick Johnson

 

Christian Martinez SP/RP

July - 36 IP, 5.00 era, 1.44 whip (44 H, 8 BB), 18 K, .308 BAA

 

Graham Taylor SP

July - 20 IP, 8.10 era... and I don’t need to type the rest

 

Sean West

July - 15.1 IP, 5.28 era, 1.43 whip (16 H, 6 BB), 11 K, .267 BAA

Season MILB - 58 IP, 4.97 era, 1.51 whip (60 H, 28 BB), 61 K, .262 BAA, 12 HR, .74 GB/FB

Season MLB - 55 IP, 4.91 era, 1.47 whip (60 H, 28 BB), 29 K, .251 BAA, 7 HR, .65 GB/FB

 

Chris Leroux

Season - 42.1 IP, 3.19 era, 1.29 whip (42 H, 13 BB), 36 K, .259 BAA, -0- HR

 

Brad Stone

Season AA - 27 IP, 2.00 era, 1.03 whip (27 H, 1 BB), 16 K, .255 BAA

 

Grant Parcell

Season - 16.2 IP, .54 era, 1.14 whip (8 H, 11 BB), 17 K, .138 BAA

 

DL - Winters, Ceda, and Owens isn’t pitching so who knows where he is.

 

So the quick wrap up. We lost our 2nd best lefty at the A+/AA/AAA levels with Thompson for Nick Johnson, but it’s not a huge loss. Graham Taylor has forgotten how to pitch since getting his ass handed to him in the bigs. Christian Martinez is down to earth and proving to be an organizational arm and nothing more. West has been consistently awful all year. I hope this is a byproduct of working intensely on offspeed pitches, because his FB rates have doubled (last year 1.40), and he’s giving up a lot more HR. Leroux has been up and down and having a solid year. Stone has jumped around a few levels, but has settled in nicely in Jax. A little old, but can’t argue with that control. Parcell is a sleeper RP prospect back from injury. The rust is to be expected a little bit, see those walks, but that’s a nice first 16.2 innings back from the shelf.

 

JUPITER (A+)

 

Alejandro Sanabia SP

July - 27.1 IP, 4.28 era, 1.28 whip (22 H, 13 BB), 15 K, .227 BAA

Season - 104.1 IP, 3.45 era, 1.20 whip (89 H, 36 BB), 68 K, .231 BAA, .87 GB/FB

 

Kris Harvey

Season - 56.1 IP, 3.83 era, 1.35 whip (50 H, 26 BB), 46 K, .235 BAA

July - Really ugly, 8+ era month

 

Steve Cishek

Season - 54 IP, 2.83 era, .87 whip (34 H, 13 BB), 43 K, .181 BAA, 1.97 GB/FB

Slowing down a little bit, 3.50 era over 28 IP June-July

 

Elih Villanueva SP

Season as SP - 126.2 IP, 2.98 era, 1.06 whip (122 H, 13 BB), 87 K, .252 BAA

 

Jeff Allison SP

Season as SP - 109.1 IP, 3.87 era, 1.31 whip (119 H, 25 BB), 56 K, .275 BAA

 

Jose Rosario SP

Season A+ - 94 IP, 2.68 era, .93 whip (66 H, 22 BB), 80 K, .195 BAA

 

Brett Harker SP/RP

Season A+ - 76.1 IP, 2.59 era, 1.06 whip (66 H, 15 BB), 40 K, .232 BAA

 

 

Sanabia had an OK month. I’d like to see more whiffs and more groundballs, but he’s still having a nice ‘breakout’ year and is easily one of our top 5 pitching prospects at this time. Harvey has finally hit the learning curve wall and got lit up the last month. Still, an incredible transition to a RP and maybe he has a true breakout performance next year. Cishek as I said, slowing down a bit, but he’s getting 2-1 groundballs and missing some bats. He and Parcell are probably the two sneaky future bullpen candidates we have. As for the other four, they should count their blessings they pitch in Jupiter. What a pitcher’s park.

 

GBO (A)

 

Kyle Kaminska SP

July - 33 IP, 2.73 era, 1.15 whip (31 H, 7 BB), 17 K, .252 BAA

Season - 117 IP, 3.46 era, 1.30 whip (119 H, 34 BB), 88 K, .264 BAA, .87 GB/FB

 

Brad Hand SP

July - 30.1 IP, 4.15 era, 1.68 whip (45 H, 16 BB), 35 K, .299 BAA

May thru July - 81 IP, 4.33 era, 1.58 whip (91 H, 37 BB), 72 K, 8 HR

 

Pete Andrelczyk RP

Season - 53.1 IP, 2.36 era, 1.18 whip (50 H, 13 BB), 66 K, .244 BAA

 

Dan Jennings RP

Season - 46.1 IP, 2.91 era, 1.31 whip (41 H, 20 BB), 50 K, .244 BAA

 

Kaminska has really been killing people for 2 months now. His June line was very similar to his July line. It’s important to note how much of a launching pad GBO in, so any success here is very notable. Kaminska is poised for a big breakout in Jupiter next. Hand, and I am being very generous erasing his April which we will not speak of, has been OK all year. The walks are a major problem, but he’s striking out some guys and as he grows you’d hope he starts giving up less hits. Andrelczyk, and Jennings (whose a lefty) have been killing people all year out of the pen. There have also been a few other solid performances (Dorn 3.69 era/1.28 whip, Koehler 2.96 era/1.31 whip, Todd 3.00 era/1.04 whip), but these things take me awhile and I can’t cover every college guy dominating 19 year olds in A ball.

 

Jamestown (A-) and GCL Marlins ®

 

To young to really track, but Sandy Rosario 42.1 IP/1.70 era/41 K, Stephen Richards (who is the one name I do know, he is a lefty reliever from Arkansas) 10.1 IP/2.61 era/10K, and Curtis Petersen 38 IP/4.03 era/29 K are throwing solid in Jamestown, and a bunch of guys (Estevez, Sprague, Eskew, Topp, Morales, Hernandez, Chirinos) are dominating the GCL. Your guess is as good as mine to whether these guys hold up at future levels, but it’s safe to say all of these names are 4-5 years away if any of them pan out into legitimate prospects.

 

Ryan Tucker

Start 1 - 5 IP, 2 ER, 3 H, 5 BB, 3 K

Start 2 - 6 IP, 3 ER, 6 H, 2 BB, 2 K

 

Pitched 2 games for the GCL. Slowly coming back.

 

First and Second round picks in 2009, James and Berglund, are not pitching. Or even signed.

Pitching depth doesn't look so deep now, where did it all go? Harvey appears to have run out of gas this last month, that's kind of expected with his first full year on the hill. Looks like the best prospects are in Jupiter, with a few in Greensboro. Maybe they'll sign this years #1 pick soon.

Pitching depth doesn't look so deep now, where did it all go? Harvey appears to have run out of gas this last month, that's kind of expected with his first full year on the hill. Looks like the best prospects are in Jupiter, with a few in Greensboro. Maybe they'll sign this years #1 pick soon.

 

It's just SP prospects that are weaker than normal. Currently

 

Good Prospects

AA - West, Winters

A+ - Sanabia

A - Kaminska, Hand

A-/R - James, Berglund, and maybe Olmos and Brewer

 

Promoted to MLB - Volstad, Miller, Vanden Hurk, West

Traded - Thompson

Sucks - G. Taylor

DL - Trahern (AAA), Winters (AA)

Moved to Reliever - Sinkbiel, probably Tucker very soon

 

It's not bad, West is just struggling a bit, we have injuries, and everyone else is young. I think we're pretty loaded in the bullpen. We're just missing a top SP prospect, since we missed on Sinkbeil and the next year we drafted Dominguez/Stanton.

speaking of getting thinner at starting pitchers, Lou how do you feel about the trade?

A couple of years ago, I was looking forward to 2009. I thought by this time, our pitching prospects would be top notch.

speaking of getting thinner at starting pitchers, Lou how do you feel about the trade?

 

Well Thompson is getting better, but what's his ceiling? A 4/5th starter, or a backend bullpen arm? And even then, would he break onto the team with all the superior fireballing arms ahead of him? He's no lock to being an asset, but it's a little annoying we have such a lack of lefties in the organization. I mean, thank god for Dan Meyer right? Literally, where would we be without him?

 

So I don't mind it. Johnson is good and he'll help us for the race. I'd like it better if NJ were to bring us a compensatory pick, but we'll see if that happens. It isn't enough of a splash for me to get mad at.

 

After the year, once we start trading off Cantu, Uggla, Hermida, Anibal, Ross, Amezaga, etc, I'd like us to target a young lefty in trades. And probably look for one in the Rule5 again. We can roll longterm with Miller, West, Meyer, and X. And then hope Hand, James (if we sign him!), etc, develop below to start replenishing the lefty ranks.

A couple of years ago, I was looking forward to 2009. I thought by this time, our pitching prospects would be top notch.

 

We've developed arguably 2 aces, a really good mid rotation starter, have two young lefties who are very projectable even if they are struggling, and a killer array of guys for the bullpen.

 

I'm pretty happy. This is a really really really good young staff. And it's only going to get nastier.

A couple of years ago, I was looking forward to 2009. I thought by this time, our pitching prospects would be top notch.

 

We've developed arguably 2 aces, a really good mid rotation starter, have two young lefties who are very projectable even if they are struggling, and a killer array of guys for the bullpen.

 

I'm pretty happy. This is a really really really good young staff. And it's only going to get nastier.

 

 

It's good, but I thought it would be elite like our hitting prospects are. With the drafting of 5 pitchers in round 1, then another the year after that, I thought we would have the best SP prospects in the entire league.

A couple of years ago, I was looking forward to 2009. I thought by this time, our pitching prospects would be top notch.

 

We've developed arguably 2 aces, a really good mid rotation starter, have two young lefties who are very projectable even if they are struggling, and a killer array of guys for the bullpen.

 

I'm pretty happy. This is a really really really good young staff. And it's only going to get nastier.

 

 

It's good, but I thought it would be elite like our hitting prospects are. With the drafting of 5 pitchers in round 1, then another the year after that, I thought we would have the best SP prospects in the entire league.

 

The thought process behind mass drafting of pitchers is, more or less, to use a term that's used so often, see what sh*t sticks against the wall. The phrase "there's no such thing as a pitching spec" is around for a reason.

 

in 2005 we got atleast 1 middle of the rotation starter (Volstad), one good BP arm (Tucker), one what should be middle of the rotation starter (West), one what should be a back end starter (thompson), and one complete miss (Marceux). That's a pretty damn good first round.

you really should -never- expect anything more than "average" out of first round draft pick until production in A ball (hitters) or production in AA/AAA (pitchers)

 

Thinking we'd have 5 aces cuz we drafted 5 pitchers in the first round is bad thinking. The thinking would be 5 middle of the rotation starters. We got 2, one back end, and one BP. That's good.

you really should -never- expect anything more than "average" out of first round draft pick until production in A ball (hitters) or production in AA/AAA (pitchers)

 

Thinking we'd have 5 aces cuz we drafted 5 pitchers in the first round is bad thinking. The thinking would be 5 middle of the rotation starters. We got 2, one back end, and one BP. That's good.

 

 

 

I know. I was pretty damn young back then, lol. So I just figured we'd be set because they're first rounders.

speaking of getting thinner at starting pitchers, Lou how do you feel about the trade?

 

Well Thompson is getting better, but what's his ceiling? A 4/5th starter, or a backend bullpen arm? And even then, would he break onto the team with all the superior fireballing arms ahead of him? He's no lock to being an asset, but it's a little annoying we have such a lack of lefties in the organization. I mean, thank god for Dan Meyer right? Literally, where would we be without him?

 

So I don't mind it. Johnson is good and he'll help us for the race. I'd like it better if NJ were to bring us a compensatory pick, but we'll see if that happens. It isn't enough of a splash for me to get mad at.

 

After the year, once we start trading off Cantu, Uggla, Hermida, Anibal, Ross, Amezaga, etc, I'd like us to target a young lefty in trades. And probably look for one in the Rule5 again. We can roll longterm with Miller, West, Meyer, and X. And then hope Hand, James (if we sign him!), etc, develop below to start replenishing the lefty ranks.

 

A quick rough projection (50% GB, 10% HR/FB, 6 k/9, 4 bb/9) put him at 4.75 ERA.

 

The only real upside I think he has over that is improving his BB to 3 per 9. Which would put him at 4.51 ERA. But I think good chance his BB improves. So we traded with 4.5-4.75 ERA lefty. Cool because he'd only make 300k, and those were better numbers that I thought so my opinion on him is a bit higher than it was before, but as you put it, not really an asset.

I remember the hoopla surrounding our young pitcher coup and no one here should feel ashamed of buying into it. I'm pretty skeptical of first rounders because there is so much that separates a draftee from the majors, and its silly that guys who have never thrown a pitch professionally are written into future rotations with ease.

 

Overall, I think West is the key to saying whether or not we did a good job- I think 1/5 is still a bad percentage even by baseball draft standards, so it would be nice to be able to hang out hats on two of them.

So maybe before you start bashing these guys who have given their all to get where they are today...you should make sure you get the correct names. Grant Parcell? Try Garrett.

So maybe before you start bashing these guys who have given their all to get where they are today...you should make sure you get the correct names. Grant Parcell? Try Garrett.

 

Sorry Mr. or Mrs. Parcell.

 

There is only so much time I can devote to this before it borders on obsession and not hobby, and I clearly miss some legitimate prospects (especially the pitchers who I often overlook for smaller innings pitched, and do not know their exact scouting reports of if they are just working on breaking/curveballs nonstop and thats why their ERA is inflated, etc), make typos, and other mistakes. It's to much to digest all at once. I'm attempting to give a quick roundball picture of the Marlins farm system based on the scouting services reports, their current statistics, and my own personal knowledge of them, and hope you can appreciate that.

 

99.9% of Marlins fans do not even know who Garrett is, or that he is one of our better young reliever arms in the system that we should be excited about. So, respectfully, I don't give a crap I misspelled his name or criticize someone like Graham Taylor who is getting drilled and just passed through the minor league waivers. The bottom line is the bottom line, and this is how the farm is shaping up. That's my only concern. I apologize for my drastic oversight. I'm sorry that a typographical error that occurred on a fan message board makes you feel the need to slam me, when I feel in my opinion, I'm doing a service to the larger marlins baseball community by organizing a ton of information into a monthly report.

I am more surprised you neglected Jay Voss, who is pitching damn good at Jacksonville, than the fact that your forgot Parcell's name.

Graham Johnson, a 6th rounder last year, is another guy to watch at Greensboro.