He dumb.

lol.

Rum > Whiskey.

Rum > Whiskey.

 

 

 

The finest in Irish Whiskey or Bourbon is better than rum. I will grant that Rum is better than Scotch.

The Marlins should be ashamed of themselves by taking that money and putting it directly into Jeff Loria's pockets. There is no excuse not to sign Uggla and Johnson to long term deals with the team moving into a new stadium soon.

 

 

The article didn't say the Marlins were doing this, did it? I thought it didn't specify as to where the money was going, I mean other than vague "promotions" and other stuff.

The most significant thing to come from this? It greatly reduces the chance that Bonifacio will be a starter in 2010. Uggla seems more likely to remain with us at 2B and Coghlan in LF.

 

 

Brilliant. :thumbup

The Marlins should be ashamed of themselves by taking that money and putting it directly into Jeff Loria's pockets. There is no excuse not to sign Uggla and Johnson to long term deals with the team moving into a new stadium soon.

 

 

The article didn't say the Marlins were doing this, did it? I thought it didn't specify as to where the money was going, I mean other than vague "promotions" and other stuff.

Yeah, it didn't say that at all and most of the "experts" think that they weren't pocketing it but using it for other things.

The Marlins should be ashamed of themselves by taking that money and putting it directly into Jeff Loria's pockets. There is no excuse not to sign Uggla and Johnson to long term deals with the team moving into a new stadium soon.

 

 

The article didn't say the Marlins were doing this, did it? I thought it didn't specify as to where the money was going, I mean other than vague "promotions" and other stuff.

Yeah, it didn't say that at all and most of the "experts" think that they weren't pocketing it but using it for other things.

 

Like what ? Mermaids uniforms (they can't cost much because there isn't much to them) or Manatees training ? What is it that the Marlins pay for that costs so much more than other teams ? Their lease...oh please its onerous for sure, but its not millions and millions more than anyone else. The plain simple fact is that Loria was taking that money and using it on NON-BASEBALL related business, and the MLBPA and the ML owners finally had had enough of it, and took him to the woodshed privately, and he was told to pay-up or lose his revenue sharing. Because what would they have over him to make him comply ? Maybe there is a written agreement that states the owners have to use most if not all towards the team. Loria doesn't want his books opened, so rather instead he complies, albeit very reluctantly.

I typed something out then deleted it because it's not worth it.

I typed something out then deleted it because it's not worth it.

The Marlins should be ashamed of themselves by taking that money and putting it directly into Jeff Loria's pockets. There is no excuse not to sign Uggla and Johnson to long term deals with the team moving into a new stadium soon.

 

 

The article didn't say the Marlins were doing this, did it? I thought it didn't specify as to where the money was going, I mean other than vague "promotions" and other stuff.

Yeah, it didn't say that at all and most of the "experts" think that they weren't pocketing it but using it for other things.

 

Like what ? Mermaids uniforms (they can't cost much because there isn't much to them) or Manatees training ? What is it that the Marlins pay for that costs so much more than other teams ? Their lease...oh please its onerous for sure, but its not millions and millions more than anyone else. The plain simple fact is that Loria was taking that money and using it on NON-BASEBALL related business, and the MLBPA and the ML owners finally had had enough of it, and took him to the woodshed privately, and he was told to pay-up or lose his revenue sharing. Because what would they have over him to make him comply ? Maybe there is a written agreement that states the owners have to use most if not all towards the team. Loria doesn't want his books opened, so rather instead he complies, albeit very reluctantly.

Every member of Florida Marlins LP that isn't a player? A brand new ballpark? Advertising? Player development? None of that could possibly cost any money.

 

Look, the facts that we know where that he was using the money for something other than the players, which meant he was breaking the rules. That's why he got called out. The MLBPA couldn't give a sh*t if he used it to pay for staff and the ballpark or pay for a new pool, they just want the players to get it. Yes, doing that did make him money, as he wasn't paying for stuff he otherwise would have been paying for, but that doesn't mean he was pocketing anything.

 

Do you even try to follow facts?

 

I'll answer for you. The answer is no. You just make sh*t up with absolutely zero proof. How do you not feel bad about doing stuff like that?

I dunno, as the Marlins I may have just been like "f*** you, I broke no rules" perhaps without the profanity.

 

Then point out that it is not your fault that other front offices make bad finacial choices.

 

Perhaps say that the team is interested in putting together the best product for the longest period of time, and the simple fact that a player such as Coghlan is a rookie and thus currently less pricey than an inferior hitter is just the way it is.

 

The MLBPA wants everyone spending $200m on players. Great for them. Never gonna happen, at least not until $200m is the equivalent of $50m nowadays.

Someone here went through a very convincing accounting exercise the last time we had a discussion about this.

 

The Marlins have very little ticket sales revenue coming in because they have consistently had low attendance. On top of this, they do not receive a large piece of additional stadium revenue because of their lease with the Dolphins. They also have funding obligations related to the new stadium.

 

Every time we have these discussions it seems that the very same people come forward with the very same accusations but have nothing to support it.

The marlins did break the rules. Their payroll wasn't even as much as their cut from shared revenue. This money is given by the big spenders to the low revenue teams so that the disparity in spending won't be so great. The Yankees and company spend a $zillion on payroll. The small markets say we can't compete with a $zillion dollar payroll we need a salary cap. MLB and MLBPA say no salary cap, how about the big spenders give money to the little spenders so they can compete. But that money has to go into players because the Yankees and Co. don't want to pay for the Marlins and Co.'s rent. The point of the money is to give the little spenders a chance to keep their players and sign free agents. So it isn't like the Marlins could just spend that money on whatever they wanted. Now if the Marlins were under budget for a year or two they could say they were restructuring and it would be OK. But this is a team in position to win now, going into their fifth season of spending less than what they take in from revenue sharing and appearing like they planned on cutting players to doing the same thing next season. You notice only the Marlins got reprimanded. This is because they were the only ones spending less than they take in from RS. Now that they have been reprimanded they have signed their two most expensive players and seem ready to play fair.

 

I love the marlins. I even like that they are penny-wise but any fan that believes that they weren't scamming the system is delusional. They got caught, they have mended their ways and hopefully we will see a playoff team this year or next.

 

(this statement of the obvious is in response to all those commenting that the Marlins did nothing wrong and they can spend their money how they want.)

 

p.s. And to those still believing that the marlins are some paupers working with a shoestring budget that can't afford 800k for a much needed reliever or to pay anything more than rookie contracts: MLB was in on this reprimand not just the MLBPA. Do you think that MLB would force the marlins to spend money they don't have?

I'm pretty sure none of us knows how much they got in revenue sharing.

 

Also, it makes absolutely no f***ing sense for MLB to come out and say this now and not when we spent like 11 dollars on 2006 unless they didn't really have a problem with it. I'm guessing they didn't because they know something we don't.

The marlins did break the rules. Their payroll wasn't even as much as their cut from shared revenue. This money is given by the big spenders to the low revenue teams so that the disparity in spending won't be so great. The Yankees and company spend a $zillion on payroll. The small markets say we can't compete with a $zillion dollar payroll we need a salary cap. MLB and MLBPA say no salary cap, how about the big spenders give money to the little spenders so they can compete. But that money has to go into players because the Yankees and Co. don't want to pay for the Marlins and Co.'s rent. The point of the money is to give the little spenders a chance to keep their players and sign free agents. So it isn't like the Marlins could just spend that money on whatever they wanted. Now if the Marlins were under budget for a year or two they could say they were restructuring and it would be OK. But this is a team in position to win now, going into their fifth season of spending less than what they take in from revenue sharing and appearing like they planned on cutting players to doing the same thing next season. You notice only the Marlins got reprimanded. This is because they were the only ones spending less than they take in from RS. Now that they have been reprimanded they have signed their two most expensive players and seem ready to play fair.

 

I love the marlins. I even like that they are penny-wise but any fan that believes that they weren't scamming the system is delusional. They got caught, they have mended their ways and hopefully we will see a playoff team this year or next.

 

(this statement of the obvious is in response to all those commenting that the Marlins did nothing wrong and they can spend their money how they want.)

 

p.s. And to those still believing that the marlins are some paupers working with a shoestring budget that can't afford 800k for a much needed reliever or to pay anything more than rookie contracts: MLB was in on this reprimand not just the MLBPA. Do you think that MLB would force the marlins to spend money they don't have?

 

I don't think many are claiming that the Marlins did nothing wrong (just Eric as far as I can tell), because they clearly broke the rules set forth by the CBA. What many of us are saying is that we don't believe that the Marlins were "pocketing" anything, mainly because most of the "experts" don't believe that and because there is absolutely zero proof of that. I for one don't believe in making up faux-facts. Guys like Prince of Saxe-Meiningen are basically committing libel, which is pretty funny considering one of the things they are always doing is calling Loria and Samson liars.

 

I'm pretty sure none of us knows how much they got in revenue sharing.

 

Also, it makes absolutely no f***ing sense for MLB to come out and say this now and not when we spent like 11 dollars on 2006 unless they didn't really have a problem with it. I'm guessing they didn't because they know something we don't.

 

Yeah, we don't, though Stark guessed it was at about $40M.

The marlins did break the rules. Their payroll wasn't even as much as their cut from shared revenue. This money is given by the big spenders to the low revenue teams so that the disparity in spending won't be so great. The Yankees and company spend a $zillion on payroll. The small markets say we can't compete with a $zillion dollar payroll we need a salary cap. MLB and MLBPA say no salary cap, how about the big spenders give money to the little spenders so they can compete. But that money has to go into players because the Yankees and Co. don't want to pay for the Marlins and Co.'s rent. The point of the money is to give the little spenders a chance to keep their players and sign free agents. So it isn't like the Marlins could just spend that money on whatever they wanted. Now if the Marlins were under budget for a year or two they could say they were restructuring and it would be OK. But this is a team in position to win now, going into their fifth season of spending less than what they take in from revenue sharing and appearing like they planned on cutting players to doing the same thing next season. You notice only the Marlins got reprimanded. This is because they were the only ones spending less than they take in from RS. Now that they have been reprimanded they have signed their two most expensive players and seem ready to play fair.

 

I love the marlins. I even like that they are penny-wise but any fan that believes that they weren't scamming the system is delusional. They got caught, they have mended their ways and hopefully we will see a playoff team this year or next.

 

(this statement of the obvious is in response to all those commenting that the Marlins did nothing wrong and they can spend their money how they want.)

 

p.s. And to those still believing that the marlins are some paupers working with a shoestring budget that can't afford 800k for a much needed reliever or to pay anything more than rookie contracts: MLB was in on this reprimand not just the MLBPA. Do you think that MLB would force the marlins to spend money they don't have?

 

I don't think many are claiming that the Marlins did nothing wrong (just Eric as far as I can tell), because they clearly broke the rules set forth by the CBA. What many of us are saying is that we don't believe that the Marlins were "pocketing" anything, mainly because most of the "experts" don't believe that and because there is absolutely zero proof of that. I for one don't believe in making up faux-facts. Guys like Prince of Saxe-Meiningen are basically committing libel, which is pretty funny considering one of the things they are always doing is calling Loria and Samson liars.

 

Yeah, we don't, though Stark guessed it was at about $40M.

 

Then let the Marlins sue me in court, and then I can demand (or anyone else) who has called them thieves to open their books so I can make my defense. At that time they would be forced to open their books up, and God knows they would never want to do that. So you can name call me all you want, I will continue to call it as I see it, and call a spade a spade. Loria is a liar and a thief, and got caught by MLB and the MLBPA. They told him to straighten up or else. He complied rather quickly if you didn't notice.

 

Facts are Loria had a team last year that was 5 games out of 1st place near the end of July and did virtually NOTHING to improve his team for a push to win the division. I believe that, more than anything caught the eye of the MLBPA & MLB. MLB has staked a part of their reputation, and put themselves on the line for Loria and his new ballpark more than almost any other stadium that has gone up in the last 15 years. Loria, in their eyes, didn't do what he could have to foster the promotion of baseball in So Fla by letting this opportunity go in 2009. I'm sure more than a few MLB exec's including DuPuy were ticked off by that. All the work they have been putting into baseball in So Fla, and now this cheap-azz guy won't do what he could do, and foster more goodwill for the Marlins and MLB by spending a few million on a rent-a-player for a playoff push. They had had it, and with the MLBPA who has no doubt been complaining about the Marlins and their spending what has been reported as the revenue sharing amount (last year about $ 34 million for the Marlins). That means that the Marlins paid out about $ 2.5 million before adding national TV & radio revenues, local TV & radio revenues, and ticket revenues. Even with a somewhat onerous lease at Sun-Life Stadium, the Marlins clearly made a profit, and if Forbes is to be believed, maybe the 2nd or 3rd highest profit of any team. They could afford to spend a few extra bucks to make baseball more attractive to the locals, and MLB stepped in and said enough is enough, spend a few bucks for the good of your future.

 

Why is it some of you guys like to wear teal color glasses all the time and won't wake up to the fact we have an owner that is actually killing baseball in So Fla and not building it up ? More often than not, he cuts off his nose to spite his face when it comes to PR. Yes he has muzzled the midget, but he still lets him stay around. I don't have to guess too much to know that Samson is not a favorite of MLB exec's.

Facts are Loria had a team last year that was 5 games out of 1st place near the end of July and did virtually NOTHING to improve his team for a push to win the division.

 

 

Classic example of delusional people building a case only they "see". By Admin Beinfest's admission, every time the Marlins tried to get involved in a meaningful trade last summer to get over the top, they heard two words, "Mike Stanton". Funny you left that out.

 

But I guess you would have traded Stanton if you were the GM, maybe even cut him in half and trade him twice.

The marlins did break the rules. Their payroll wasn't even as much as their cut from shared revenue. This money is given by the big spenders to the low revenue teams so that the disparity in spending won't be so great. The Yankees and company spend a $zillion on payroll. The small markets say we can't compete with a $zillion dollar payroll we need a salary cap. MLB and MLBPA say no salary cap, how about the big spenders give money to the little spenders so they can compete. But that money has to go into players because the Yankees and Co. don't want to pay for the Marlins and Co.'s rent. The point of the money is to give the little spenders a chance to keep their players and sign free agents. So it isn't like the Marlins could just spend that money on whatever they wanted. Now if the Marlins were under budget for a year or two they could say they were restructuring and it would be OK. But this is a team in position to win now, going into their fifth season of spending less than what they take in from revenue sharing and appearing like they planned on cutting players to doing the same thing next season. You notice only the Marlins got reprimanded. This is because they were the only ones spending less than they take in from RS. Now that they have been reprimanded they have signed their two most expensive players and seem ready to play fair.

 

I love the marlins. I even like that they are penny-wise but any fan that believes that they weren't scamming the system is delusional. They got caught, they have mended their ways and hopefully we will see a playoff team this year or next.

 

(this statement of the obvious is in response to all those commenting that the Marlins did nothing wrong and they can spend their money how they want.)

 

p.s. And to those still believing that the marlins are some paupers working with a shoestring budget that can't afford 800k for a much needed reliever or to pay anything more than rookie contracts: MLB was in on this reprimand not just the MLBPA. Do you think that MLB would force the marlins to spend money they don't have?

 

I don't think many are claiming that the Marlins did nothing wrong (just Eric as far as I can tell), because they clearly broke the rules set forth by the CBA. What many of us are saying is that we don't believe that the Marlins were "pocketing" anything, mainly because most of the "experts" don't believe that and because there is absolutely zero proof of that. I for one don't believe in making up faux-facts. Guys like Prince of Saxe-Meiningen are basically committing libel, which is pretty funny considering one of the things they are always doing is calling Loria and Samson liars.

 

Yeah, we don't, though Stark guessed it was at about $40M.

 

Then let the Marlins sue me in court, and then I can demand (or anyone else) who has called them thieves to open their books so I can make my defense. At that time they would be forced to open their books up, and God knows they would never want to do that. So you can name call me all you want, I will continue to call it as I see it, and call a spade a spade. Loria is a liar and a thief, and got caught by MLB and the MLBPA. They told him to straighten up or else. He complied rather quickly if you didn't notice.

 

Facts are Loria had a team last year that was 5 games out of 1st place near the end of July and did virtually NOTHING to improve his team for a push to win the division. I believe that, more than anything caught the eye of the MLBPA & MLB. MLB has staked a part of their reputation, and put themselves on the line for Loria and his new ballpark more than almost any other stadium that has gone up in the last 15 years. Loria, in their eyes, didn't do what he could have to foster the promotion of baseball in So Fla by letting this opportunity go in 2009. I'm sure more than a few MLB exec's including DuPuy were ticked off by that. All the work they have been putting into baseball in So Fla, and now this cheap-azz guy won't do what he could do, and foster more goodwill for the Marlins and MLB by spending a few million on a rent-a-player for a playoff push. They had had it, and with the MLBPA who has no doubt been complaining about the Marlins and their spending what has been reported as the revenue sharing amount (last year about $ 34 million for the Marlins). That means that the Marlins paid out about $ 2.5 million before adding national TV & radio revenues, local TV & radio revenues, and ticket revenues. Even with a somewhat onerous lease at Sun-Life Stadium, the Marlins clearly made a profit, and if Forbes is to be believed, maybe the 2nd or 3rd highest profit of any team. They could afford to spend a few extra bucks to make baseball more attractive to the locals, and MLB stepped in and said enough is enough, spend a few bucks for the good of your future.

 

Why is it some of you guys like to wear teal color glasses all the time and won't wake up to the fact we have an owner that is actually killing baseball in So Fla and not building it up ? More often than not, he cuts off his nose to spite his face when it comes to PR. Yes he has muzzled the midget, but he still lets him stay around. I don't have to guess too much to know that Samson is not a favorite of MLB exec's.

 

 

Yeah, that Nick Johnson trade was obviously just an inside plan to attempt to make it seem like they were trying to win the division, when in reality they were duping the entire fan base by pocketing all of the revenue.

The marlins did break the rules. Their payroll wasn't even as much as their cut from shared revenue. This money is given by the big spenders to the low revenue teams so that the disparity in spending won't be so great. The Yankees and company spend a $zillion on payroll. The small markets say we can't compete with a $zillion dollar payroll we need a salary cap. MLB and MLBPA say no salary cap, how about the big spenders give money to the little spenders so they can compete. But that money has to go into players because the Yankees and Co. don't want to pay for the Marlins and Co.'s rent. The point of the money is to give the little spenders a chance to keep their players and sign free agents. So it isn't like the Marlins could just spend that money on whatever they wanted. Now if the Marlins were under budget for a year or two they could say they were restructuring and it would be OK. But this is a team in position to win now, going into their fifth season of spending less than what they take in from revenue sharing and appearing like they planned on cutting players to doing the same thing next season. You notice only the Marlins got reprimanded. This is because they were the only ones spending less than they take in from RS. Now that they have been reprimanded they have signed their two most expensive players and seem ready to play fair.

 

I love the marlins. I even like that they are penny-wise but any fan that believes that they weren't scamming the system is delusional. They got caught, they have mended their ways and hopefully we will see a playoff team this year or next.

 

(this statement of the obvious is in response to all those commenting that the Marlins did nothing wrong and they can spend their money how they want.)

 

p.s. And to those still believing that the marlins are some paupers working with a shoestring budget that can't afford 800k for a much needed reliever or to pay anything more than rookie contracts: MLB was in on this reprimand not just the MLBPA. Do you think that MLB would force the marlins to spend money they don't have?

 

I don't think many are claiming that the Marlins did nothing wrong (just Eric as far as I can tell), because they clearly broke the rules set forth by the CBA. What many of us are saying is that we don't believe that the Marlins were "pocketing" anything, mainly because most of the "experts" don't believe that and because there is absolutely zero proof of that. I for one don't believe in making up faux-facts. Guys like Prince of Saxe-Meiningen are basically committing libel, which is pretty funny considering one of the things they are always doing is calling Loria and Samson liars.

 

Yeah, we don't, though Stark guessed it was at about $40M.

 

Then let the Marlins sue me in court, and then I can demand (or anyone else) who has called them thieves to open their books so I can make my defense. At that time they would be forced to open their books up, and God knows they would never want to do that. So you can name call me all you want, I will continue to call it as I see it, and call a spade a spade. Loria is a liar and a thief, and got caught by MLB and the MLBPA. They told him to straighten up or else. He complied rather quickly if you didn't notice.

 

Facts are Loria had a team last year that was 5 games out of 1st place near the end of July and did virtually NOTHING to improve his team for a push to win the division. I believe that, more than anything caught the eye of the MLBPA & MLB. MLB has staked a part of their reputation, and put themselves on the line for Loria and his new ballpark more than almost any other stadium that has gone up in the last 15 years. Loria, in their eyes, didn't do what he could have to foster the promotion of baseball in So Fla by letting this opportunity go in 2009. I'm sure more than a few MLB exec's including DuPuy were ticked off by that. All the work they have been putting into baseball in So Fla, and now this cheap-azz guy won't do what he could do, and foster more goodwill for the Marlins and MLB by spending a few million on a rent-a-player for a playoff push. They had had it, and with the MLBPA who has no doubt been complaining about the Marlins and their spending what has been reported as the revenue sharing amount (last year about $ 34 million for the Marlins). That means that the Marlins paid out about $ 2.5 million before adding national TV & radio revenues, local TV & radio revenues, and ticket revenues. Even with a somewhat onerous lease at Sun-Life Stadium, the Marlins clearly made a profit, and if Forbes is to be believed, maybe the 2nd or 3rd highest profit of any team. They could afford to spend a few extra bucks to make baseball more attractive to the locals, and MLB stepped in and said enough is enough, spend a few bucks for the good of your future.

 

Why is it some of you guys like to wear teal color glasses all the time and won't wake up to the fact we have an owner that is actually killing baseball in So Fla and not building it up ? More often than not, he cuts off his nose to spite his face when it comes to PR. Yes he has muzzled the midget, but he still lets him stay around. I don't have to guess too much to know that Samson is not a favorite of MLB exec's.

You're not calling a spade a spade. You're calling whatever you want a spade without looking at it. You don't have any of those numbers, because as you've said many times, we don't have their (or any other baseball teams') books. You don't know what the TV and Radio revenue is, you don't know what merchandising gets them, you don't know what the ticket revenues are, you don't know what the employees of Florida Marlins L.P. costs, you don't know what player development costs, you don't know what the lease costs them, you don't know anything about this. You cite a Forbes article that more than a few people criticized for become completely without sourcing.

 

I'm not looking at anything through teal glasses (though those'd be cool), I completely believe that Loria broke the rules to save himself money and that you shouldn't break rules. That's different than "pocketing money". I just don't believe in making sh*t up with absolutely zero proof.

 

And then you say silly things like he's "actually killing baseball in So Fla" when all that he would have had to have done is not giving in to the City and County's demands. The team would have been dead here within at least 3 years, if not sooner.

Someone here went through a very convincing accounting exercise the last time we had a discussion about this.

 

That was me.

 

Here it is again:

 

Guesstimate of the Marlins finances:

 

'09 Marlins income (millions):

 

40 central fund (Stark)

35 revenue share (Stark)

12 local radio/tv (Stark)

21 gate (Forbes) (27 mill based on 19.06 ave and 1,464,109, but that assumes they get 100%)

Other stuff like merchandise - totally unknown, probably not insignificant

 

108+ Total

 

'09 Marlins expenses (millions):

 

36.8 player payroll (MLB)

15.0 player-development system (Manfred)

9.0 cost of acquiring players through draft/internationally (Manfred)

7.0 interest on debt to acquire team (87 mill according to Forbes, I assume an 8% interest rate)

4.4 addition to sinking fund to retire debt to acquire team assuming 20 year term (my estimate)

5.0 MLB pension fund (Stark)

5.0 MLB operations fund (Stark)

5.0 advertising/promo (my estimate)

2.7 front office (1.5 beinfest .2 hill .5 freddi, secretaries/support .5) (my estimate)

2.0 15 players on the 40-man roster who are not in mlb (my estimate)

1.5 hotel and per diem for road games (my estimate)

1.2 coaches: bench, hitting, pitching, 3B, 1B, bullpen, tot 6 coaches .2@ (my estimate)

1.1 chartered airplane 10-12k/hr, 10 hrs flying time on 10 road trips (my estimate) (737-800, 75 mill new)

1.0 lawyers/CPAs (my estimate)

1.0 general liability insurance (my estimate)

1.0 ushers/security/ticket takers/misc ballpark expenses (my estimate)

0.7 1.45% medicare FICA on entire payroll (my est 45 million) (IRS)

0.6 6.2% on 106.8 social security FICA (my estimate assuming 60 ees making 107K and 60 ees making 50K)

0.6 health ins 5K@ for 120 employees (my estimate)

0.5 10 clubhouse/equipment/videotape guys (my estimate)

0.2 office space for 100 employees (my estimate)

0.1 baseballs, bats, uniforms (my estimate)

1.0 miscellaneous junk I haven't thought of

 

102.4 total

 

Having only devoted about an hour to trying to list expenses, I'm sure that I've missed a lot more than 1 million, but, in any case, it's obvious why the Marlins payroll is what it is, give or take 5 mill.

 

I'll guess that any excess revenue from "other stuff" has been allocated to pay the Marlin's 150-160 million contribution to a stadium that they won't own.

 

With any luck, the "Loria is a cheapskate and/or a thief" crowd will now choke on their bile, but I won't hold my breath.

102.4 total

 

Having only devoted about an hour to trying to list expenses, I'm sure that I've missed a lot more than 1 million, but, in any case, it's obvious why the Marlins payroll is what it is, give or take 5 mill.

 

I'll guess that any excess revenue from "other stuff" has been allocated to pay the Marlin's 150-160 million contribution to a stadium that they won't own.

 

With any luck, the "Loria is a cheapskate and/or a thief" crowd will now choke on their bile, but I won't hold my breath.

 

 

Since you seem to know everything please answer me why MLB has agreed that they Marlins have to increase payroll? How can the Marlins possibly pay for the 10-15 million increase in payroll from last year to this year with your figures? I know that sports franchises have been known to play for a season or two at a deficit but I don't think that MLB would force a franchise to do this. According to your estimates the Marlins are only a couple million in the black and have just added a ton of money (putting them in the red). MLB is a business and while an individual owner might choose to operate at a deficit there is no way I believe MLB would force them to.

With all there spending this off season and their limited budget can anyone explain paying $1million to Reynel Pinto? I still think that he has some upside, if he can ever get consistent command. I think he has one of the best change-ups in baseball. But for one million dollars I would have passed. With what may turn out to be a buyers market I think they could find a more reliable arm for a million dollars.