There is no guarantee that the new ballpark is going to exponentially increase revenues; or that ownership is going to increase payroll dramatically even if it does.

 

And no, JJ isn't healthy as anyone regardless of the injury. When a pitcher blows out his elbow, it shows vulnerability to the motion of pitching. The chances that other problems or a recurrence of the same elbow-problem can happen again are higher than had no elbow problems occurred in the 1st place. TJ surgery doesn't "strengthen the elbow" it takes a bad situation (like a pitcher potentially losing his career) and gives it second life if it all goes successfully.

 

JJ looked great last year, but he's prone to injury. Even healthy pitchers are extremely volatile -- that's why this organization has never committed to a pitcher beyond 3 yrs (at least recently).

 

If JJ suffers a serious injury at any point during the next 2 seasons, it's going to be a significant blow to our payroll flexibility, and our ability to compete with far more wealthier ball clubs.

 

If he stays healthy the next 2 seasons (which is a big if), he could potentially be one of the most valuable commodities in all of baseball and bring in a haul of high quality prospects.

Despite following this story every day for months, I was shocked to come to these websites this late at night to see the deal happened. It's awesome news, but I still can't quite believe it.

 

Maybe now I can dig out the money to replace my Beckett Marlins jersey with a Johnson one.

Despite following this story every day for months, I was shocked to come to these websites this late at night to see the deal happened. It's awesome news, but I still can't quite believe it.

 

Maybe now I can dig out the money to replace my Beckett Marlins jersey with a Johnson one.

Double post.

Double post.

If JJ suffers a serious injury at any point during the next 2 seasons, it's going to be a significant blow to our payroll flexibility, and our ability to compete with far more wealthier ball clubs.

 

 

If we don't give him the extension, he likely makes more money over the next two years in arbitration anyways. The risk of injury over the next two seasons isn't heightened because he signed a contract.

 

And his was the definition of a mishandled young pitcher. This wasn't a guy who has a hitch in his delivery. He is structurally sound. His injury was the result of Joe Girardi bringing him back after a 90 minute rain delay to pitch.

If JJ suffers a serious injury at any point during the next 2 seasons, it's going to be a significant blow to our payroll flexibility, and our ability to compete with far more wealthier ball clubs.

 

 

If we don't give him the extension, he likely makes more money over the next two years in arbitration anyways. The risk of injury over the next two seasons isn't heightened because he signed a contract.

 

And his was the definition of a mishandled young pitcher. This wasn't a guy who has a hitch in his delivery. He is structurally sound. His injury was the result of Joe Girardi bringing him back after a 90 minute rain delay to pitch.

If we don't give him an extension we go year to year with him via arbitration and he would only get as much money that's relative to his productivity (either by agreeing to a deal or going to an arbiter). If he only pitches 50 innings next year for example, he would likely agree to $1-$2M deal in 2011, so that he has a chance to showcase his ability for a 2012 payday. As it stands now, we're on the hook for $40M regardless of his health or performance.

If we don't give him an extension we go year to year with him via arbitration and he would only get as much money that's relative to his productivity (either by agreeing to a deal or going to an arbiter). If he only pitches 50 innings next year for example, he would likely agree to $1-$2M deal in 2011, so that he has a chance to showcase his ability for a 2012 payday. As it stands now, we're on the hook for $40M regardless of his health or performance.

And if he is balls out awesome next year?

 

Then all of a sudden we're looking at probably 13 million combined for his final two years and then he walks heading into the stadium and what do we say?

 

"I paid $500 million dollars for a stadium and all I got was a couple of compensatory draft picks."

 

This team needs to be competitive heading into the stadium and they need to show a commitment. This wasn't just a baseball move.

And if he is balls out awesome next year?

 

Then all of a sudden we're looking at probably 13 million combined for his final two years and then he walks heading into the stadium and what do we say?

 

"I paid $500 million dollars for a stadium and all I got was a couple of compensatory draft picks."

 

This team needs to be competitive heading into the stadium and they need to show a commitment. This wasn't just a baseball move.

That's the big "if" .. the Marlins are betting $40M he remains healthy and productive .. and they're certainly much closer to the situation than any of us are, so that does give me some confidence in the deal. However, they're usually very apprehensive about guaranteeing more than 3 yrs, and they were hesitant to go that long with him earlier this offseason during contract talks, so that makes me not so confident. Either way, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

That's the big "if" .. the Marlins are betting $40M he remains healthy and productive .. and they're certainly much closer to the situation than any of us are, so that does give me some confidence in the deal. However, they're usually very apprehensive about guaranteeing more than 3 yrs, and they were hesitant to go that long with him earlier this offseason during contract talks, so that makes me not so confident. Either way, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

And like MarlinsLou has stated before Greinke $38 million, JJ- $39 millionI'm not one to brag, but I do believe I was the only one (or one of the few) who, at the beginning of the season, viewed JJ as a better pitcher than Nolasco. I'm not one to brag , but I just thought I should mention that.

 

 

You and me both felt JJ was our Ace..I am totaly in awe and ecstatic This is amazin! To be honest without the Player assoc calling out the Marlins it may have been a long dragged out process...THANKYOU PLAYERS UNION

And like MarlinsLou has stated before Greinke $38 million, JJ- $39 millionI'm not one to brag, but I do believe I was the only one (or one of the few) who, at the beginning of the season, viewed JJ as a better pitcher than Nolasco. I'm not one to brag , but I just thought I should mention that.

 

 

You and me both felt JJ was our Ace..I am totaly in awe and ecstatic This is amazin! To be honest without the Player assoc calling out the Marlins it may have been a long dragged out process...THANKYOU PLAYERS UNION

BTW, who comes out of this better: JJ, the Marlins, or MarlinsLou?

 

I pick Lou.

 

Lou I will never doubt you again! You are a GOD!

BTW, who comes out of this better: JJ, the Marlins, or MarlinsLou?

 

I pick Lou.

 

Lou I will never doubt you again! You are a GOD!

i really have no problem if the money went towards the stadium and mlb would never force them to jepordize the stadium funds so its clear that this was done the right way.

 

You might have no problem and neither would I, but the MLBPA would have a problem and it's against the rules of the CBA.

 

I don't think it went that way. Maybe more towards player developement and scouting if anything. Phrases I keep reading from the powers-that-be are more along the lines of "continued support" and "a shot across the bow to other teams." Any comments saying $$$ was being spent differently or not at all are coming from the media and sports boards geniuses. Most times those three lines of "info" get blurred and most just the start to assume the worst. Large market owners complained loudly and MLB had to do or say something. We had the lowest payroll the last two years, and are known for frugality, so we were singled out. The requirement is to put a competitive team on the field. Something we have done the last two years. It's hard to make a point that you aren't spending enough to compete when you are competing.

i really have no problem if the money went towards the stadium and mlb would never force them to jepordize the stadium funds so its clear that this was done the right way.

 

You might have no problem and neither would I, but the MLBPA would have a problem and it's against the rules of the CBA.

 

I don't think it went that way. Maybe more towards player developement and scouting if anything. Phrases I keep reading from the powers-that-be are more along the lines of "continued support" and "a shot across the bow to other teams." Any comments saying $$$ was being spent differently or not at all are coming from the media and sports boards geniuses. Most times those three lines of "info" get blurred and most just the start to assume the worst. Large market owners complained loudly and MLB had to do or say something. We had the lowest payroll the last two years, and are known for frugality, so we were singled out. The requirement is to put a competitive team on the field. Something we have done the last two years. It's hard to make a point that you aren't spending enough to compete when you are competing.

The only real surprise to me on this is that so many questioned it would ever get done. I said many times that if one wasn't in place by ST, it would most certainly get done during the season. More like the Hanley deal. I said this because JJ wanted it to happen, the FO wanted some kind of deal to happen, and the only thing in the way was the agent going through the media knowing the team dosen't negotiate that way. Honestly, I leaned more towards a during the season inking, but am happy it is over. And it makes my $45-50 mil Opening Day payroll even more plausable. It could go higher, but I don't change my predictions almost weekly.

 

Here's the coincidence, BTW. Just before this was announced we got a recorded phone call from Beinfest stating there will be a live open phone conversation with him next Thursday for season ticket holders to answer all our questions. This has never happened before. I don't know how it is going to work, but I do find it very interesting.

The only real surprise to me on this is that so many questioned it would ever get done. I said many times that if one wasn't in place by ST, it would most certainly get done during the season. More like the Hanley deal. I said this because JJ wanted it to happen, the FO wanted some kind of deal to happen, and the only thing in the way was the agent going through the media knowing the team dosen't negotiate that way. Honestly, I leaned more towards a during the season inking, but am happy it is over. And it makes my $45-50 mil Opening Day payroll even more plausable. It could go higher, but I don't change my predictions almost weekly.

 

Here's the coincidence, BTW. Just before this was announced we got a recorded phone call from Beinfest stating there will be a live open phone conversation with him next Thursday for season ticket holders to answer all our questions. This has never happened before. I don't know how it is going to work, but I do find it very interesting.

JJ vs Halladay matchups are going to be fun to watch for a LONG time to come.

 

Glad I can finally say that!

JJ vs Halladay matchups are going to be fun to watch for a LONG time to come.

 

Glad I can finally say that!

JJ vs Halladay matchups are going to be fun to watch for a LONG time to come.

 

Glad I can finally say that!

 

 

JJ v Halladay, JJ v Santana and Halladay v Santana are all going to be fun to watch in our division over the next few years.

JJ vs Halladay matchups are going to be fun to watch for a LONG time to come.

 

Glad I can finally say that!

 

 

JJ v Halladay, JJ v Santana and Halladay v Santana are all going to be fun to watch in our division over the next few years.