January 15, 201016 yr Josh Johnson's contract breakdown: $3.75M this year, $7.75M in 2011 and $13.75M in the final two years of the deal. About what I figured, except I thought $750k more in 2010, and less in 2012. But doesn't effect much. Updated Salary And just to refresh, MLB minimum is around $405k next year, I'm arbitrarily giving slight bumps to guys with a little more experience just to reflect the ups/downs this small tender offers will give. The players italicized are reasonable expectations of arbitration numbers. C John Baker $415,000 1B Gaby Sanchez $405,000 2B Dan Uggla $7,500,000 3B Jorge Cantu $5,500,000 SS Hanley Ramirez $7,000,000 LF Chris Coghlan $410,000 CF Cameron Maybin $405,000 RF Cody Ross $4,200,000 B Emilio Bonifacio $415,000 B Wes Helms $950,000 B Ronny Paulino $1,100,000 B Brett Carroll $415,000 B Jorge Jimenez $405,000 SP Josh Johnson $3,750,000 SP Ricky Nolasco $3,800,000 SP Andrew Miller $2,000,000 SP Chris Volstad $415,000 SP Sean West $415,000 RP Leo Nunez $2,000,000 RP Dan Meyer $415,000 RP Brian Sanches $415,000 RP Reynel Pinto $900,000 RP Burke Badenhop $415,000 RP Rick Vanden Hurk $415,000 RP Anibal Sanchez $1,200,000 $45,260,000 Cantu is the only player above not controlled for 2011. Major 2011 Payroll Commitments Hanley Ramirez $11,000,000 Josh Johnson $7,750,000 6th year arbitration - Nolasco, Uggla, Ross 5th year arbitration - Nunez, Paulino, Pinto, Anibal 4th year arbitration - A. Miller Potential Super 2s - Badenhop, Carroll, Sanches Club Controlled - Absolutely everyone else That's a pretty good team. Imagine if payroll was raised to 50...
January 15, 201016 yr BTW, who comes out of this better: JJ, the Marlins, or MarlinsLou? I pick Lou. Yeah, you can't deny that he was all over this.
January 15, 201016 yr BTW, who comes out of this better: JJ, the Marlins, or MarlinsLou? I pick Lou. Yeah, you can't deny that he was all over this.
January 15, 201016 yr Awesome. Two of the best players in baseball, Josh & Hanley, locked up for the coming years. This is great
January 15, 201016 yr Awesome. Two of the best players in baseball, Josh & Hanley, locked up for the coming years. This is great
January 15, 201016 yr *fist pump* yesssss, I knew checking into this site every day looking for news on signings and trades would pay off one of these days. Ahh, nice way to start a long weekend off.
January 15, 201016 yr *fist pump* yesssss, I knew checking into this site every day looking for news on signings and trades would pay off one of these days. Ahh, nice way to start a long weekend off.
January 15, 201016 yr Author Signing talented young players to long-term deals is a lot of fun. I hope we continue to do this in the future *cough* Uggla, Coghlan, maybe even Cantu *cough*. If he pitches as expected, then I hope we lock up Ricky after 2010. That would be excellent! Well, few things. Cantu, will be a free agent next year and thus the Marlins have no leverage like they did with Hanley and Johnson being in control of arbitration years. With Dominguez in the system, who by all accounts will be a top 3 defensive 3B the second he comes up and as long as he literally hits around a .725 OPS would be an average starting 3B, the Marlins shouldn't invest a lot into a 3B right now. Likewise, with Morrison (and G. Sanchez) at 1B. Someone is going to get that position. And there is new Rule5 Jimenez around who does have an opportunity for playing time if he beats out Gaby and Bonifacio this spring training. Being said, the Marlins will probably offer Cantu arbitration after 2010 and if he accepts it, cool. We have another year to develop Dominguez. If not, we'll get Type B (maybe A) compensation. No long term money into the corners. Uggla, I wouldn't be upset if we gave him 3 years, and unlike Johnson I would not budge if he wants a 4th. However, I would still go year to year with him based on him being a relative all or nothing hitter (despite the increase in walks), and the below average defense. Having a strong alternative in Coghlan is also very powerful for not signing Uggla as well. Coghlan is eventually going to move there. I'm content if that is 2011. I'd hold onto him in 2010, trade at the deadline if we aren't a contender, trade after the year if not and move Coghlan to 2B. Coghlan, still way to early. He only has 3/4ths a season down. If he is absolutely gangbusters in 2010, I'd strongly consider a 4-5 year arbitration buyout. But more realistically, we should evaluate him a year at 2B before giving him serious money to play in the outfield (where we have Maybin, Stanton, Petersen, Cousins, and perhaps Morrison). I like Coghlan in LF for 2010 with spot duty at 2B, in 2011 inherits 2B, and if he keeps up the offense and shows he can play 2B, go for a 4-5 year contract post 2011. Nolasco, is tougher. He's been severely abused the past two years off his major arm surgery, so you wonder about his long term arm health. He's also had bouts of inconsistency. But he's also been awesome. I think you let 2010 play out and see where he lands. And even then, I think you may arbitrate him in 2011 also and then let him walk and get that surefire Type A compensation. I'm just really scared of Nolasco breaking down despite the fact he's looked rock solid healthy for two years. If your have Johnson, Volstad, at least one of West/Miller work out, sign an innings eater in 2012 for the new ballaprk, then you get a young SP back when you trade Uggla/Ross to compete with Winters, Sanabia, Kaminska, with god willingly James, Hand, and Berglund in AA, that's pretty deep. Someone would work out. All we'd need is 1. So anyways, yea I don't know if any of these players really fit the mold. I look at Coghlan, Volstad, West, Maybin, and Miller after 2011. I also look at mini-buyouts for 2-3 years on Baker, Paulino, Meyer, Carroll, even Bonifacio (in a reserve role), after the 2010 season. But those aren't as big of a deals as identifying young talent and locking it down for arbitration and a FA year or two.
January 15, 201016 yr Author Signing talented young players to long-term deals is a lot of fun. I hope we continue to do this in the future *cough* Uggla, Coghlan, maybe even Cantu *cough*. If he pitches as expected, then I hope we lock up Ricky after 2010. That would be excellent! Well, few things. Cantu, will be a free agent next year and thus the Marlins have no leverage like they did with Hanley and Johnson being in control of arbitration years. With Dominguez in the system, who by all accounts will be a top 3 defensive 3B the second he comes up and as long as he literally hits around a .725 OPS would be an average starting 3B, the Marlins shouldn't invest a lot into a 3B right now. Likewise, with Morrison (and G. Sanchez) at 1B. Someone is going to get that position. And there is new Rule5 Jimenez around who does have an opportunity for playing time if he beats out Gaby and Bonifacio this spring training. Being said, the Marlins will probably offer Cantu arbitration after 2010 and if he accepts it, cool. We have another year to develop Dominguez. If not, we'll get Type B (maybe A) compensation. No long term money into the corners. Uggla, I wouldn't be upset if we gave him 3 years, and unlike Johnson I would not budge if he wants a 4th. However, I would still go year to year with him based on him being a relative all or nothing hitter (despite the increase in walks), and the below average defense. Having a strong alternative in Coghlan is also very powerful for not signing Uggla as well. Coghlan is eventually going to move there. I'm content if that is 2011. I'd hold onto him in 2010, trade at the deadline if we aren't a contender, trade after the year if not and move Coghlan to 2B. Coghlan, still way to early. He only has 3/4ths a season down. If he is absolutely gangbusters in 2010, I'd strongly consider a 4-5 year arbitration buyout. But more realistically, we should evaluate him a year at 2B before giving him serious money to play in the outfield (where we have Maybin, Stanton, Petersen, Cousins, and perhaps Morrison). I like Coghlan in LF for 2010 with spot duty at 2B, in 2011 inherits 2B, and if he keeps up the offense and shows he can play 2B, go for a 4-5 year contract post 2011. Nolasco, is tougher. He's been severely abused the past two years off his major arm surgery, so you wonder about his long term arm health. He's also had bouts of inconsistency. But he's also been awesome. I think you let 2010 play out and see where he lands. And even then, I think you may arbitrate him in 2011 also and then let him walk and get that surefire Type A compensation. I'm just really scared of Nolasco breaking down despite the fact he's looked rock solid healthy for two years. If your have Johnson, Volstad, at least one of West/Miller work out, sign an innings eater in 2012 for the new ballaprk, then you get a young SP back when you trade Uggla/Ross to compete with Winters, Sanabia, Kaminska, with god willingly James, Hand, and Berglund in AA, that's pretty deep. Someone would work out. All we'd need is 1. So anyways, yea I don't know if any of these players really fit the mold. I look at Coghlan, Volstad, West, Maybin, and Miller after 2011. I also look at mini-buyouts for 2-3 years on Baker, Paulino, Meyer, Carroll, even Bonifacio (in a reserve role), after the 2010 season. But those aren't as big of a deals as identifying young talent and locking it down for arbitration and a FA year or two.
January 15, 201016 yr Josh Johnson's contract breakdown: $3.75M this year, $7.75M in 2011 and $13.75M in the final two years of the deal. About what I figured, except I thought $750k more in 2010, and less in 2012. But doesn't effect much. Updated Salary And just to refresh, MLB minimum is around $405k next year, I'm arbitrarily giving slight bumps to guys with a little more experience just to reflect the ups/downs this small tender offers will give. The players italicized are reasonable expectations of arbitration numbers. C John Baker $415,000 1B Gaby Sanchez $405,000 2B Dan Uggla $7,500,000 3B Jorge Cantu $5,500,000 SS Hanley Ramirez $7,000,000 LF Chris Coghlan $410,000 CF Cameron Maybin $405,000 RF Cody Ross $4,200,000 B Emilio Bonifacio $415,000 B Wes Helms $950,000 B Ronny Paulino $1,100,000 B Brett Carroll $415,000 B Jorge Jimenez $405,000 SP Josh Johnson $3,750,000 SP Ricky Nolasco $3,800,000 SP Andrew Miller $2,000,000 SP Chris Volstad $415,000 SP Sean West $415,000 RP Leo Nunez $2,000,000 RP Dan Meyer $415,000 RP Brian Sanches $415,000 RP Reynel Pinto $900,000 RP Burke Badenhop $415,000 RP Rick Vanden Hurk $415,000 RP Anibal Sanchez $1,200,000 $45,260,000 Cantu is the only player above not controlled for 2011. Major 2011 Payroll Commitments Hanley Ramirez $11,000,000 Josh Johnson $7,750,000 6th year arbitration - Nolasco, Uggla, Ross 5th year arbitration - Nunez, Paulino, Pinto, Anibal 4th year arbitration - A. Miller Potential Super 2s - Badenhop, Carroll, Sanches Club Controlled - Absolutely everyone else That's a pretty good team. Imagine if payroll was raised to 50... I wish we could. I don't trust Gaby Sanchez on first.... :-/
January 15, 201016 yr Josh Johnson's contract breakdown: $3.75M this year, $7.75M in 2011 and $13.75M in the final two years of the deal. About what I figured, except I thought $750k more in 2010, and less in 2012. But doesn't effect much. Updated Salary And just to refresh, MLB minimum is around $405k next year, I'm arbitrarily giving slight bumps to guys with a little more experience just to reflect the ups/downs this small tender offers will give. The players italicized are reasonable expectations of arbitration numbers. C John Baker $415,000 1B Gaby Sanchez $405,000 2B Dan Uggla $7,500,000 3B Jorge Cantu $5,500,000 SS Hanley Ramirez $7,000,000 LF Chris Coghlan $410,000 CF Cameron Maybin $405,000 RF Cody Ross $4,200,000 B Emilio Bonifacio $415,000 B Wes Helms $950,000 B Ronny Paulino $1,100,000 B Brett Carroll $415,000 B Jorge Jimenez $405,000 SP Josh Johnson $3,750,000 SP Ricky Nolasco $3,800,000 SP Andrew Miller $2,000,000 SP Chris Volstad $415,000 SP Sean West $415,000 RP Leo Nunez $2,000,000 RP Dan Meyer $415,000 RP Brian Sanches $415,000 RP Reynel Pinto $900,000 RP Burke Badenhop $415,000 RP Rick Vanden Hurk $415,000 RP Anibal Sanchez $1,200,000 $45,260,000 Cantu is the only player above not controlled for 2011. Major 2011 Payroll Commitments Hanley Ramirez $11,000,000 Josh Johnson $7,750,000 6th year arbitration - Nolasco, Uggla, Ross 5th year arbitration - Nunez, Paulino, Pinto, Anibal 4th year arbitration - A. Miller Potential Super 2s - Badenhop, Carroll, Sanches Club Controlled - Absolutely everyone else That's a pretty good team. Imagine if payroll was raised to 50... I wish we could. I don't trust Gaby Sanchez on first.... :-/
January 15, 201016 yr I don't like the move. If he gets hurt, we're in deep doo-doo. Pitchers coming off of injury are extremely volatile/injury prone. I hope you get a job in the Phillies front office.
January 15, 201016 yr I don't like the move. If he gets hurt, we're in deep doo-doo. Pitchers coming off of injury are extremely volatile/injury prone. I hope you get a job in the Phillies front office.
January 15, 201016 yr Author That's a pretty good team. Imagine if payroll was raised to 50... I wish we could. I don't trust Gaby Sanchez on first.... :-/ Well, if we look at 1B/DH around the majors... Tor - Glut of OF to play at DH, Overbay, and Brett Wallace (key piece of Halladay trade who they are moving to 1B) Bos - Youk, Ortiz, and significant 1B prospects (Lars) in minors Rays - Pena, Burrell, Aybar, and limited payroll O's - DH is locked down with Luke and whatever OF isn't playing, and they desperately need a 1B Yanks - Teix, loaded team of bats Clev - LaPorta and Hafner KC - Butler, could use a DH upgrade Det - Cabrera, could use another bat. But probably an outfielder Twins - Morneau, Kubel, and would need help at 3B more White Sox - Konerko, A. Jones, no other room Angels - Morales, Matsui A's - Barton who they kind of have to play, and Chavez/Fox/Cust for DH. They need MI M's - Kotchman, Griffey, and they like Carp Rangers - Davis, Vlad, and D. Murphy Braves - Glaus Marlins - G. Sanchez/Cantu depending on Jimenez Phillies - Howard Nationals - Dunn Mets - Nothing. They will sign a 1B Astros - Berkman Cubs - Lee Cards - Pujols Reds - Votto Brews - Prince Pirates - Jones/Clement Giants - Huff Dodgers - Loney Rocks - Helton Dbacks - LaRoche Padres - Adrian Alright so what do we have above? Orioles and Mets 100% will be signing a 1B. Those are the only two surefire starting spots left. Kansas City needs another bat, but will be more of a sometimes starting. If you go to the Rays, you have to fight off guys like Aybar, Burrel, Kapler, maybe Jennings for playing time. If you go to the Indians, you have to beat out young guys so that's unlikely as they rebuild. The A's are doubtful. The Marlins have the most inexperience so a vet could win that job rather easily. Point is, these are the FA left: Blalock Branyan Delgado Garko Giambi Jacobs Thome Tracy Some of them don't work because they can't play defense (Thome), and assuming the best one goes to the Mets (Branyan) and they pay him, that leaves the O's (non contender), KC (non contender), and the Marlins (contender), the three teams with the most playing time to give. Maybe you go in and snipe Delgado if you're willing to increase payroll. Maybe he just wants to play, and the Marlins could rest him against lefties if he's slowing down. Same thing with Jacobs, who despite all the criticism has hit RHP pretty hard his career. Blalock is also a lefty and has hit RHP hard historically. Garko is right handed, and is more of a lefty specialist so that kind of guy would realistically be looking at a Tampa/back to Clev, etc, to platoon with their other options. So I mean, you can get Delgado, Jacobs, or Blalock pretty damn cheap. LaRoche signed a sub $5 million deal for 1 year. He has to be worth more than all of them. Maybe Delgado wants more because he's older, but Huff just got $3 million too. Maybe you can get CD for that. Blalock and Jacobs would have to be even lower. Which really isn't effect the bottom line. Just saying. Not sure it's the best idea if we have more money to spend (pitching) because I think Gaby should be alright, especially helping him out with a lefty with Jimenez and Morrison in a few months. But the Marlins have playing time to give and if they are 'committed' to spending a bit more, could grab a decent lefty bat to get 400 PA at 1B minimum for pretty damn cheap.
January 15, 201016 yr Author That's a pretty good team. Imagine if payroll was raised to 50... I wish we could. I don't trust Gaby Sanchez on first.... :-/ Well, if we look at 1B/DH around the majors... Tor - Glut of OF to play at DH, Overbay, and Brett Wallace (key piece of Halladay trade who they are moving to 1B) Bos - Youk, Ortiz, and significant 1B prospects (Lars) in minors Rays - Pena, Burrell, Aybar, and limited payroll O's - DH is locked down with Luke and whatever OF isn't playing, and they desperately need a 1B Yanks - Teix, loaded team of bats Clev - LaPorta and Hafner KC - Butler, could use a DH upgrade Det - Cabrera, could use another bat. But probably an outfielder Twins - Morneau, Kubel, and would need help at 3B more White Sox - Konerko, A. Jones, no other room Angels - Morales, Matsui A's - Barton who they kind of have to play, and Chavez/Fox/Cust for DH. They need MI M's - Kotchman, Griffey, and they like Carp Rangers - Davis, Vlad, and D. Murphy Braves - Glaus Marlins - G. Sanchez/Cantu depending on Jimenez Phillies - Howard Nationals - Dunn Mets - Nothing. They will sign a 1B Astros - Berkman Cubs - Lee Cards - Pujols Reds - Votto Brews - Prince Pirates - Jones/Clement Giants - Huff Dodgers - Loney Rocks - Helton Dbacks - LaRoche Padres - Adrian Alright so what do we have above? Orioles and Mets 100% will be signing a 1B. Those are the only two surefire starting spots left. Kansas City needs another bat, but will be more of a sometimes starting. If you go to the Rays, you have to fight off guys like Aybar, Burrel, Kapler, maybe Jennings for playing time. If you go to the Indians, you have to beat out young guys so that's unlikely as they rebuild. The A's are doubtful. The Marlins have the most inexperience so a vet could win that job rather easily. Point is, these are the FA left: Blalock Branyan Delgado Garko Giambi Jacobs Thome Tracy Some of them don't work because they can't play defense (Thome), and assuming the best one goes to the Mets (Branyan) and they pay him, that leaves the O's (non contender), KC (non contender), and the Marlins (contender), the three teams with the most playing time to give. Maybe you go in and snipe Delgado if you're willing to increase payroll. Maybe he just wants to play, and the Marlins could rest him against lefties if he's slowing down. Same thing with Jacobs, who despite all the criticism has hit RHP pretty hard his career. Blalock is also a lefty and has hit RHP hard historically. Garko is right handed, and is more of a lefty specialist so that kind of guy would realistically be looking at a Tampa/back to Clev, etc, to platoon with their other options. So I mean, you can get Delgado, Jacobs, or Blalock pretty damn cheap. LaRoche signed a sub $5 million deal for 1 year. He has to be worth more than all of them. Maybe Delgado wants more because he's older, but Huff just got $3 million too. Maybe you can get CD for that. Blalock and Jacobs would have to be even lower. Which really isn't effect the bottom line. Just saying. Not sure it's the best idea if we have more money to spend (pitching) because I think Gaby should be alright, especially helping him out with a lefty with Jimenez and Morrison in a few months. But the Marlins have playing time to give and if they are 'committed' to spending a bit more, could grab a decent lefty bat to get 400 PA at 1B minimum for pretty damn cheap.
January 15, 201016 yr No question it starts to feel good as a Marlins fan now. Hopefully, this sign of commitment by the ownership attracts other players who would love to play here but thought Loria and co. were not serious about contending. It's a very encouraging step and perhaps another impact inking is in the wait and we can compete again. Go Marlins!
January 15, 201016 yr No question it starts to feel good as a Marlins fan now. Hopefully, this sign of commitment by the ownership attracts other players who would love to play here but thought Loria and co. were not serious about contending. It's a very encouraging step and perhaps another impact inking is in the wait and we can compete again. Go Marlins!
January 15, 201016 yr Great stuff. I had a feeling this would get done, but it's good to see it's official.
January 15, 201016 yr Great stuff. I had a feeling this would get done, but it's good to see it's official.
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